Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[The tired cat]

Those allegations gained credibility when she got Norman Reedus to voice Striker (if only for one episode) and the cast of Hazbin mainly being Broadway actors.

I mean, with Hazbin it makes sense when Amazon is bankrolling yas, you can get people of that caliber.

 

[ssaneenah]

How in the FUCK did Vivienne Goddamn Medrano get John Fucking Waters to voice act in her stupid little gay imp show?!

Those allegations gained credibility when she got Norman Reedus to voice Striker (if only for one episode) and the cast of Hazbin mainly being Broadway actors.

It appears shit like this is her real talent.

Most likely Adam Neylan just sucked them all off several times, just so Viv can get what she wants.

 

[Stumbling9]

Spoiler: meme dumb 52

 

[Strawberry Kiwi Propel]

Carmilla is agile enough to outmaneuver and oneshot an Exorcist; Alastor, even when not at full power, scores dozens of angel kills

Well as CarMax explains to Vaggie, Exorcists are cocky, leaving themselves vulnerable, and aren't exactly coordinate with their fighting style. If they were written as they originally planned to be, then that would be a different story.

Don't quote me on this because I've read this years ago, but apparently demons have tried to fight back angels with their weapons, it's just that angels are more powerful than demons. If you do want to use something as a reference, here's Lute's audition script:

 

[Saxxon]

Well as CarMax explains to Vaggie, Exorcists are cocky, leaving themselves vulnerable, and aren't exactly coordinate with their fighting style. If they were written as they originally planned to be, then that would be a different story.

Don't quote me on this because I've read this years ago, but apparently demons have tried to fight back angels with their weapons, it's just that angels are more powerful than demons. If you do want to use something as a reference, here's Lute's audition script:
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>Clitorissa
>Major Labianne
Deep respects to all the actresses that auditioned for this shit and didn't die of cringe.

 

[Re(Runner)48]

>Clitorissa
>Major Labianne
Deep respects to all the actresses that auditioned for this shit and didn't die of cringe.

Imagine that being in your IMDB listing as an actress, or being at a con/interview and people ask. Hoping to god it's not another fucking child that gets a hold of that mic.
"What do you like about playing Clitorissa?"

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

>Clitorissa
>Major Labianne
Deep respects to all the actresses that auditioned for this shit and didn't die of cringe.

That alone would be a reason to leave the room, no questions answered.

Imagine that being in your IMDB listing as an actress, or being at a con/interview and people ask. Hoping to god it's not another fucking child that gets a hold of that mic.
"What do you like about playing Clitorissa?"

"The part where Vagyna told me to kill Uterynae, except Boobadae had to sabe Long, Dick and Johnson while giving him a job in the Ballez."

 

[InJailOutSoon]

wait wait wait wait, hold the FUCK up. John Waters? The director of Pink Flamingoes, Hairspray, Cry-Baby, etc.?
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how. How in the FUCK did Vivienne Goddamn Medrano get John Fucking Waters to voice act in her stupid little gay imp show?! She really ain't beating the nepo-baby allegations here.

Those allegations gained credibility when she got Norman Reedus to voice Striker (if only for one episode) and the cast of Hazbin mainly being Broadway actors.

You guys have to remember that the Voice Director for both Habin and Helluva is Richard Horvitz. I imagine he is able to get these people on board.

Well as CarMax explains to Vaggie, Exorcists are cocky, leaving themselves vulnerable, and aren't exactly coordinate with their fighting style. If they were written as they originally planned to be, then that would be a different story.

Don't quote me on this because I've read this years ago, but apparently demons have tried to fight back angels with their weapons, it's just that angels are more powerful than demons. If you do want to use something as a reference, here's Lute's audition script:
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Ah yes, when exorcists were more competent and actually a threat to our characters. I imagine they were changed to be more reckless and stupid so that our heros could be able to go up against them in eight episodes. Because there was no other way that would have been possible if the exorcists didn't leave their weapons.

 

[Strawberry Kiwi Propel]

Ah yes, when exorcists were more competent and actually a threat to our characters. I imagine they were changed to be more reckless and stupid so that our heros could be able to go up against them in eight episodes. Because there was no other way that would have been possible if the exorcists didn't leave their weapons.

And above else, mysterious. Their scene from the pilot's trailer ended up getting cut from the pilot itself.

Viv or anyone from the staff never really went into detail about the Exorcists as far as I'm aware. I feel like that's why the "Vaggie's an Exorcist" theory wasn't as prominent in the early days due to the lack of information on what exactly the Exorcists were truly supposed to be.

Viv practically confirmed through her Twitter likes that this was supposed to have been Adam and Lute, but this was after Series Adam was officially revealed. She never mentioned his existence prior, which is why the audition leaks were legit. Upon analyzing, I believe the General from the original episode list was meant to be a different character (Main difference is his neck is as thick as his body, while Adam looks to still have his robe).

Several things about Hazbin disappointed me, but among the bigger examples, it's easily the Exorcists. All these years of mystery surrounding these creatures: What are they? How dangerous are they that causes the Overlords and Lucifer to be hiding from them?

How do they think, if they think at all? Why does Heaven even care about Hell being overpopulated? So much intrigue that's just waiting to be unraveled and ...





They're Crimson's goons. And Heaven thinks Hell is going to cause an uprising, which was stated within the first couple minutes of Episode One. Oh.

 

[Hood-ass Mulatto]

Paging DarkSydePhil: "I didn't know that!!!!!"
Well, what is this retcon now? How does the Overlord x GeishaGoetia scale of power work? Could TV man take down the faggot bird without breaking a sweat?

Good find! Official merch, a happy family and thus, a "Stella & Octavia win".

Considering how the Sinners have access to angelic weapons and could end up being more skilled with them, I won't be surprised if one of the Overlords manages to do a successful hit on a Goetia. I mean, Striker was gonna kill Stolas.

And yes, fujos just want the woman to be a bitchy nag just to justify their yaoi ship.

 

[AnOminous]

And yes, fujos just want the woman to be a bitchy nag just to justify their yaoi ship.

Why are fujos more misogynistic than literal incels?

 

[HarpersFerryWest]

Why are fujos more misogynistic than literal incels?

It's been said before itt, but it's a fundamental truth regardless. No one hates women more than other women.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Viv practically confirmed through her Twitter likes that this was supposed to have been Adam and Lute, but this was after Series Adam was officially revealed. She never mentioned his existence prior, which is why the audition leaks were legit. Upon analyzing, I believe the General from the original episode list was meant to be a different character (Main difference is his neck is as thick as his body, while Adam looks to still have his robe).

Yeah, I imagined back then Adam (or whatever what became to be Adam in the show) was going to be a lot like what we got Sera in the show: a nuance character that saw the exterminations as a necessary evil. Maybe even being assigned this role by the higher angels, so it not being solely his choice. Something more than the one-dimensional frat boy that we got.

 

[Rakdos92]

This one wasn't a huge glow up like the others still fun, and i really enjoyed how this one turned out.

Cool redesign, one small criticism though: the angle makes Blitzo look less like a butler and more like a mechanic, especially with the gloves and the way the sigil is placed on his back. Is that intentional or...?

I guess it's bias on my part because a cowboy meeting a mechanic in the modern day isn't that unlikely.

 

[Re(Runner)48]

Cool redesign, one small criticism though: the angle makes Blitzo look less like a butler and more like a mechanic, especially with the gloves and the way the sigil is placed on his back. Is that intentional or...?

I guess it's bias on my part because a cowboy meeting a mechanic in the modern day isn't that unlikely.

I can see that. My intention was to give him long gloves to cover his scarred claws, I was thinking more of opera gloves which are usually owned by wealthy upper class people like Stolas. And they also kind of look like the stereotypical "yellow" gloves one would use to murder someone.
My intention was to have Stolas's sigil be imprinted on all of the uniforms to show that they were his workers/property I thought adding a shine or a glow gave it a mystical magical star look, but I can see it looking futuristic.

edit: Put one of my references in

 

[Strawberry Kiwi Propel]

Yeah, I imagined back then Adam (or whatever what became to be Adam in the show) was going to be a lot like what we got Sera in the show: a nuance character that saw the exterminations as a necessary evil. Maybe even being assigned this role by the higher angels, so it not being solely his choice. Something more than the one-dimensional frat boy that we got.

Another thing to point out is according to the episode's description, Charlie meeting up with the General was something she does as part of her royal status, where as in the series, she only goes there because "Loocifer wus bizy". Granite, we don't know if Charlie was planning on pitching the Happy Hotel (were they at least going to acknowledged the name change in the original episode list?) to the General, but it seems like they were going to have a more civil discussion, even if the General was written as demeaning, but hey, better than frat Adam.

Overall, compared to Series Charlie, Pilot Charlie seemed to have more of an active role with Hell politics, given Episode 9 had it where she was the one to assemble the Council together, and in the beginning of "I'm Always Chasing Rainbows", she signals that the Extermination's over.

Series Charlie only gets the opportunities she has because of other characters.
- Lucifer asking her to take his place talking to Adam
- Lucifer arranged Charlie's meeting with Heaven
- Alastor brings her to Rosie to gather an army to battle the Exorcists

Series Charlie being regarded as "Mary Sue" isn't because she doesn't have flaws, the flaws are there, it's just that she doesn't necessarily get called out on it, or to be more specific, doesn't reflect on how the consequences of her actions as a means to develop as a character as the show paints her as in the right, regardless of how little she earned it. Characterization wise, Pilot Charlie is optimistic but a realist when it ultimately comes down to it

Compared to Series Charlie who legitimately thinks life is Sunshine and Rainbows, and if anything inconveniences that ideology, she's gets overly emotional towards people who had the audacity to upset her.

 

[The tired cat]

Series Charlie being regarded as "Mary Sue" isn't because she doesn't have flaws, the flaws are there, it's just that she doesn't necessarily get called out on it, or to be more specific, doesn't reflect on how the consequences of her actions as a means to develop as a character as the show paints her as in the right, regardless of how little she earned it. Characterization wise, Pilot Charlie is optimistic but a realist when it ultimately comes down to it

Pilot Charlie is an optimist, but you can also tell she's actually a realist and doesn't seem like she's against doing a hands on approach. She knows the Hotel is a shot in the dark, she doesn't know if the plan will work or not. But, we also see that she's kinda street smart, in sense that she didn't fall for Alastors deal offer and told him to work for her right away, she didn't take shit from Katie and instantly tackled the bitch. Series Charlie? I'm sorry, you can sell that girl magic beans, and I'm pretty sure she'll believe they're real. Heck, she doesn't even have an actual plan for her hotel and whole thing is just "Figure it out and it'll work out for us"

 

[The Nothingness]

Viv or anyone from the staff never really went into detail about the Exorcists as far as I'm aware. I feel like that's why the "Vaggie's an Exorcist" theory wasn't as prominent in the early days due to the lack of information on what exactly the Exorcists were truly supposed to be.

Several things about Hazbin disappointed me, but among the bigger examples, it's easily the Exorcists. All these years of mystery surrounding these creatures: What are they? How dangerous are they that causes the Overlords and Lucifer to be hiding from them?

How do they think, if they think at all? Why does Heaven even care about Hell being overpopulated? So much intrigue that's just waiting to be unraveled and ...





They're Crimson's goons. And Heaven thinks Hell is going to cause an uprising, which was stated within the first couple minutes of Episode One. Oh.

This post got my creative juices flowing again where I came up another hypothetical version of the show that's condensed into three seasons. Some of the ideas are ones I and others have already discussed.

Spoiler: Season One

Vaggie, keeping her pilot version where she was a prostitute and devil worshipper, is the audience surrogate who ends up in Hell three months before the next Extermination Day. She meets Charlie and the other guests at the hotel: Angel Dust (a drug addict), Husk (a casino/mob boss), Sir Pentious (a military commander from the Victorian era), and Cherri Bomb (an anarchist). Lucifer has several guest appearance to establish his relationship with Charlie. This season would mainly showcase the characters' relationships with each other, Charlie's rehabilitation project, and the characters fighting against their various temptations. You would have Pentious and Cherri at odds because of their personalities (order vs. chaos), Husk and Angel bonding as Angel reminds Husk of so many men he saw become addicted to drugs/gambling, and Vaggie grows close to Charlie as Vaggie begins to question everything she thought about Heaven and Hell was wrong. The season ends with Vaggie witnessing and learning about Extermination Day along with the Exorcists announcing the next one has been moved up 6 months. The audience, but not the main characters, learn this is due to one of the Exorcists was killed and the leaders tell one another, "if she finds out, she will ruin everything," and state the first target in six months will be the hotel.

Spoiler: Season Two

Vaggie sees how most of Hell is either indifferent to Extermination Day or use it for their own selfish reasons afterwards (see Cherri and Pentious fighting for territory in the pilot). Lucifer tells Vaggie that this cleansing is necessary as he ominously says it reminds people of their place (you probably know where I'm going with this). Meanwhile, Charlie and Vaggie both work to show redeeming Sinners is possible while trying to get in contact with Heaven representative. A twist occurs before the finale where the pair meet up with the heavenly envoy on Earth (I never did like the idea of both sides could go to each other's realms on a whim) and reveals that angels have never been to Hell for Extermination Day. Season Two ends with the Exorcists demolishing the hotel while the characters mount a futile defense. This would result in one of the main cast sacrificing themselves and it's revealed the Exorcists are demons themselves (Hell-born instead of Sinners). It's also revealed that Lucifer is the one behind Extermination Day.

Spoiler: Season Three

The central conflict would be between Charlie and Lucifer. Lucifer is angered at the idea of Sinners being redeemed when he and the other angels that fell with him never got a second chance. So, he does Extermination Day out of pure spitefulness. I admit the major twist kind of falls apart if you ask the question, "Why doesn't Lucifer just do Sinner genocide every day instead of having it be an annual event?" A power struggle ensues between father and daughter as Charlie tries rallying support. The character who dies last season ends in Heaven and has to find a way to let Charlie know redemption works. One of the big questions to end the series is can Charlie and Lucifer reconcile or what will the fate of Hell be if they cannot.

Coming up for the third season was a bit more difficult as I stated, but I'm sure others may give their thoughts on how to improve it. That is what's fun about this thread.

 

[Saxxon]

Series Charlie being regarded as "Mary Sue" isn't because she doesn't have flaws, the flaws are there, it's just that she doesn't necessarily get called out on it, or to be more specific, doesn't reflect on how the consequences of her actions as a means to develop as a character as the show paints her as in the right, regardless of how little she earned it. Characterization wise, Pilot Charlie is optimistic but a realist when it ultimately comes down to it

Compared to Series Charlie who legitimately thinks life is Sunshine and Rainbows, and if anything inconveniences that ideology, she's gets overly emotional towards people who had the audacity to upset her.

I completely forgot how more charismatic and charming pilot Charlie looked, I don't even have any problem with how she looks currently but some of that "soul" if you can call it that was absolutely sand-off so the korean art slaves could animate her.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Pilot Charlie is an optimist, but you can also tell she's actually a realist and doesn't seem like she's against doing a hands on approach. She knows the Hotel is a shot in the dark, she doesn't know if the plan will work or not. But, we also see that she's kinda street smart, in sense that she didn't fall for Alastors deal offer and told him to work for her right away, she didn't take shit from Katie and instantly tackled the bitch. Series Charlie? I'm sorry, you can sell that girl magic beans, and I'm pretty sure she'll believe they're real. Heck, she doesn't even have an actual plan for her hotel and whole thing is just "Figure it out and it'll work out for us"

I pointed this out ITT before, but I'll say it again. Pilot Charlie is a social outcast because she's basically the only person in Hell who is a good person, Series Charlie is a social outcast because she's a massive womanchild.