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Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?

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The Fair Lady said:
Tsundere Cherri Bomb is so goddamn stupid, Viv can't write a good couple with genuine chemistry to save her life.
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She's like what people think Japanese romance writers are like. She is so afraid of a sincere romance between equals, probably because she can't concieve of one, that every couple is "Dominant/abusive partner x submissive straightman partner"
ThisIsGonnaBeGood said:
So, have they just given up on the whole Alastor rarely swearing thing?
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I hate Alastor anyway so I really can't comment unbiased, but having him swear like a child just really defeats the purpose of his character. He's supposed to be a suave mastermind, right? Why would he ever need to go down to that level?
 
gaysexenjoyer said:
Wtf am I even looking at here. I can barely read the title
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It's Zoophobia; a webcomic Viv made that started out with an interesting premise of a counselor with the fear of animals being transfered to a school of strange creatures. But then it quickly became more about, you guess it, high-school drama.
 
Gondolindrim said:
She's like what people think Japanese romance writers are like. She is so afraid of a sincere romance between equals, probably because she can't concieve of one, that every couple is "Dominant/abusive partner x submissive straightman partner"
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It's funny because most Japanese romance writers really don't make the romances uneventful and odd because the author is themselves a kissless virgin who doesn't understand relationships, but rather because most manga series are never given an actual deadline or commissioned for a set number of chapters. It's a legit problem with how a lot of publishers operate.

Usually it's given a small starting boost with a few chapters to test the waters, then the publisher will immediately try to milk it if it turns out to be popular. Thus, the relationship can't progress too fast as the author now has an incentive to stretch out the story to get more paychecks and feed themselves. Seems like a pretty good long term plan, except this is Japan so the corpo bosses also never bother to tell the author when the series will be ending until it's like 2 months before the deadline.

The result of this goofy ass setup is, unfortunately, a bunch of romance mangas that have absolutely nothing happen for long swaths of time and then the series either
A) ends with a fart out of nowhere without resolving anything.
or
B) absolutely speedruns the relationship at break-neck velocity in the last 20 chapters.

The ones that don't are usually the ones where the author didn't try to chase the gravy train and ended it themselves naturally, which with how shitty working as an artist in Japan can be is understandably kinda rare.
 
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The Moment I Gave Up on Helluva Boss​


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sex haver said:
Yes, that was one of the final scenes in HB's S2 finale. Bonus: Millie calls her MTF tranny "sister" for advice on being pregnant. You know, her sibling that has a penis and not a womb and doesn't know a fucking thing about being pregnant.
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and I'm supposed to think Adam was the bad guy for trying to nuke this place :smug:
 
InJailOutSoon said:
Just noticed in the scene when he's walking away from Lucifer, the black stripe at the bottom of his hair is missing.
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Oh boy. I can't wait for all the glorious animation errors in this season.
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Wasn't the way we got the massive leak last year was that episode 2 and 4 was outsourced to some random Italian animation studio which was hacked? Given that is from episode 4 it would certainly help explain things.
Vyrsa Inglebard said:

The Moment I Gave Up on Helluva Boss​

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Didn't like the editing, but he raised plenty of good points that have also been discussed here, especially his mini-rant that starts at 23:45 where Viv writes like a fan who rushes arcs and breaks the world's logic to get a big moment instead of a storyteller where things are given time to develop and makes sense for what's established.
 
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InJailOutSoon said:
It's Zoophobia; a webcomic Viv made that started out with an interesting premise of a counselor with the fear of animals being transfered to a school of strange creatures. But then it quickly became more about, you guess it, high-school drama.
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And the "main character" virtually disappeared.
 
I'm curious when did Viv first become obsessed with gay sex and shoehorning it into all her work?
 
Gondolindrim said:
The hallmark of a bad writer is when they hate their MC and need them to get out of the way so their preferred characters can take over.
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King Metalia said:
I'm curious when did Viv first become obsessed with gay sex and shoehorning it into all her work?
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She was infected since the very beginning. These 3 all came from Zoophobia.
 
King Metalia said:
Abandon all hope ye who reads Zoophobia.
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Funnily enough the reason Viv rage-quit Zoophobia and pivoted to the Hellaverse instead is because people rightfully called her out on the plot bait-and-switch. And now the exact same thing is happening on a larger scale because Viv, being a mentally immature fujo, never learned her lesson.
 
Vyrsa Inglebard said:
Funnily enough the reason Viv rage-quit Zoophobia and pivoted to the Hellaverse instead is because people rightfully called her out on the plot bait-and-switch. And now the exact same thing is happening on a larger scale because Viv, being a mentally immature fujo, never learned her lesson.
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This is why, while it was disappointing, it was not in the least surprising that Vivz did exactly the same thing with HH and HB.
 
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Vyrsa Inglebard said:
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She was infected since the very beginning. These 3 all came from Zoophobia.
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Exegesis said:
Jesus Christ how does somebody manage to have an art style this fucking bad?
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I think the art style here looks actually good?
I mean, the character design is a mixed bag and the second picture is unsalvageable, but it would be fitting for something like one of those weird novel for teens filled with dark humour, rather than the immature tryhard yaoi goyslop she has been churning for the last years.
Vyrsa Inglebard said:
Funnily enough the reason Viv rage-quit Zoophobia and pivoted to the Hellaverse instead is because people rightfully called her out on the plot bait-and-switch. And now the exact same thing is happening on a larger scale because Viv, being a mentally immature fujo, never learned her lesson.
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There is a reason comics/mangas are often written by one person and drawn by another and its that talent isn't universal.
I don't see viziepop as a complete hack, she can do good character designs sometines and her style is decent in the right moment, what she sucks at is writing, and really what she should have done to the very start was finding a good writer with a project already in mind, with certified asperger to ensure he can hyperfocus on it and even better if male since men and women tend to have different priorities.
Hell, she could have given ine such persin the base script for HB or HH, tell him "see you in a month" and come back with a 100 pages long document containing something that makes her original work look like the embarassing scribbles of a 2 years old.
 
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