Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[A Very Big Fish]

This would actually be an interesting approach towards people in Hell repenting, with the gates ultimately being locked from the inside. But Vivzie has a progressive metropolitan worldview that doesn't even want to acknowledge a conception of good and evil beyond vague niceness versus meanness.

Could be a good way to end a season (or the show), have either Charlie or whoever is most sympathetic left out of this mess realizing that the gates are locked from the inside, maybe have a quiet moment, look back at hell, and just leave, quietly exiting hell with no fanfare to it, just a realization that there was nothing keeping anyone there except for their own sins and the fact that most of them don't actually care enough to change.

Also, in line with Wormwood and Screwtape representing the banality of evil, in The Great Divorce, hell is simply a rainy city that stretches unfathomable miles out from the center, because everyone in hell is so wrapped up in their own mess that they keep moving further and further from each other. Though to be fair, it is implied heavily that things will get worse after the last judgement, and when the sun finally sets on the dreary Hell, "they will come out".

There are two lines I think of with how the book really portrays Heaven and Hell as a choice. Because even though quite a lot of the damned souls we meet are obviously imperfect, the fundamental difference was which of them were willing to change, and to leave their sin behind, and those who stubbornly clung to it, until they had no choice but to go back to Hell.

“There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, in the end, "Thy will be done." All that are in Hell, choose it. Without that self-choice there could be no Hell. No soul that seriously and constantly desires joy will ever miss it. Those who seek find. Those who knock it is opened.”

“I wish I had never been born," she said. "What are we born for?"
"For infinite happiness," said the Spirit. "You can step out into it at any moment...”

 

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]

Either the VA can't keep a consistent accent, or the voice direction is deliberately that shit.

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But during the meeting with the Overlords they made her really small. View attachment 8020562View attachment 8020563
But she's not the only one. Everyone's height in this show is inconsistent.

She's supposed to only go up to Vox's waist, but they can't keep her framing consistent for a second

 

[Retink Retunk]

Either the VA can't keep a consistent accent, or the voice direction is deliberately that shit.

That's a shame, the V's are really fun characters in theory but they seem to keep fucking them up with their inability to commit to ideas with them.

But she's not the only one. Everyone's height in this show is inconsistent.

In anime the power level changes based on what the story needs, in round eye ghost pig media the height changes. It seems to be something Western media struggles with, keeping a consistent in frame height structure, no idea why.

She's supposed to only go up to Vox's waist, but they can't keep her framing consistent for a second
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I think she's supposed to be a doll so it makes sense she's tiny, but you'd think she'd be white as well, but that would be le heckin' racist.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

She's supposed to only go up to Vox's waist, but they can't keep her framing consistent for a second
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Whoever said that is an idiot becauee she has never been to only Vox's waist in the show. Neither in season 1 or season 2.

But yeah this is not just a Velvette thing like I mentioned before. No one's height in this show is consistent.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Whoever said that is an idiot becauee she has never been to only Vox's waist in the show. Neither in season 1 or season 2.
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But yeah this is not just a Velvette thing like I mentioned before. No one's height in this show is consistent.
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The sheer inconsistency of height makes me think that the animators lack a lineup of all the characters (or at least lack easy access to it) that is made to prevent this sort of thing. I don't think one was amongst the leaks despite a good deal of refsheets being in them.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

I actually sort of disagree with that, at least the last part. Yes, they are unambiguously evil. Yes, Rob Zombie does absolutely nothing to put any "redeeming social value" or other bullshit into it. This is a refreshing thing since so many current year horror movies try to put some veneer of morality to justify getting off, nonsexually, on watching two hours of pure sadism.

There's a touch of "Sheriff John Quincy Wydell is just as evil" to it, but it isn't justifying it.

However, despite being irredeemable monsters and tormenting each other to some extent, the main trio (Otis Spaulding and Baby) seem to have genuine affection for each other. And if you remember the almost as good House of 1000 Corpses, Mama also loved her brood of vipers and Tiny was willing to sacrifice himself for the others.

Another weird thing is it seems like people who are good at playing absolute psychopaths are usually pretty nice. From all accounts, Sid Haig was a major bro, Moseley is someone you'd have a beer with, and I've heard very little about Rob Zombie himself being an asshole, even from people who detest his movies.

I hope he has another movie on the level of The Devil's Rejects in him because it's one of my favorite of all times.

I think my favorite scene in TDR isn't one of the action scenes or even the chicken-fucking scene, but the scene where a film critic based on Gene Shalit is lecturing the Sheriff about the Marx Brothers references the main characters were using as names and insults Elvis in the process and Wydell goes completely berserk. A lot of what was so good about this film is Zombie's obvious love and depth of knowledge about film and actual respectful treatment of a twisted genre, much like Tarantino's love of blaxploitation films and respect for what black people on a low budget could put together which is probably why he is the only white man in movies with an unlimited N-word pass.

That's interesting - I imagined the actors were interesting people, but didn't know Rob Zombie was legitimately that interesting. Figured that he just wanted to shock and scare audiences for whatever reason. Guess he can have my respect, if that's true, very good.
I guess I just didn't understand The Devil's Rejects that much when I watched it, just hoping for them to get their comeuppance ASAP. Guess I'm not that smart in my analysis!

>betraying the pansexual spic and the British dyke
Kinda based tbh

Well, since he is in Hell, he is betraying other horrible people, even if it is for his own selfish reasons. Serial backstabbing!

Also, in line with Wormwood and Screwtape representing the banality of evil, in The Great Divorce, hell is simply a rainy city that stretches unfathomable miles out from the center, because everyone in hell is so wrapped up in their own mess that they keep moving further and further from each other. Though to be fair, it is implied heavily that things will get worse after the last judgement, and when the sun finally sets on the dreary Hell, "they will come out".

There are two lines I think of with how the book really portrays Heaven and Hell as a choice. Because even though quite a lot of the damned souls we meet are obviously imperfect, the fundamental difference was which of them were willing to change, and to leave their sin behind, and those who stubbornly clung to it, until they had no choice but to go back to Hell.

“There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, in the end, "Thy will be done." All that are in Hell, choose it. Without that self-choice there could be no Hell. No soul that seriously and constantly desires joy will ever miss it. Those who seek find. Those who knock it is opened.”

“I wish I had never been born," she said. "What are we born for?"
"For infinite happiness," said the Spirit. "You can step out into it at any moment...”

As for ideas of how Hell can transform, has anyone ever thought about Event Horizon? I guess that would just change a LOT of things, perhaps would be as if "reality" would collapse itself and made Hell from another reality. But it would be interesting - meaning, if Hell was absolutely disgusting and torturous. I thought the idea of Hell being locked from the inside would fit - because imagine how these souls wouldn't be able to open the door, and one would only be able to see the horror from the outside. Just a guess, however.
Now, the great question is: How would Hell become "Hell Horror Plus"?

 

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]

Official release of Gravity has been posted

 

[InJailOutSoon]

The sheer inconsistency of height makes me think that the animators lack a lineup of all the characters (or at least lack easy access to it) that is made to prevent this sort of thing. I don't think one was amongst the leaks despite a good deal of refsheets being in them.

This may be more of an issue with the storyboarding department. If Bento Box is outsourcing their animation to the cheapest of studios, the animators will do the bare minimum of what is given to them and that's it. They don't have the time or money to do more.

 

[The tired cat]

So wonder how hard it'll sting Viv that apparently Lackadaisy is gonna be a GLITCH production.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Official release of Gravity has been posted
https://youtube.com/watch?v=8QkqehaWWa4https://youtube.com/watch?v=5eZonu8XsEs

Honestly the only thing I'm hyped for in the second season are Vox and Lute since they look like they'll make things pretty fun.

 

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]

Honestly the only thing I'm hyped for in the second season are Vox and Lute since they look like they'll make things pretty fun.

I've heard theories going around that Lute is secretly Eve, and that would certainly be more interesting than her secretly being Lilith or Rosie or Roo or whoever the fuck.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Honestly the only thing I'm hyped for in the second season are Vox and Lute since they look like they'll make things pretty fun.

The one thing that won't help is the dialogue. I rewatched the Vee's scene again, and I'm wondering why they all sound like a bunch of high-school bullies from media. Remember, all three of them are somewhere in their thirties, with one of them having died in the 1950s.

 

[The Marlboro Man]

Honestly the only thing I'm hyped for in the second season are Vox and Lute since they look like they'll make things pretty fun.

I'm waiting for the whole season to release before watching so that my friend and I can do a drunk watch party, but we'll almost certainly be spending the season cheering those two on. I still stand by my concept of having hallucination Adam being a sorta Jiminy Cricket for Lute (like when he told her to chill out when she got really intense when talking to the other exterminators before the attack on Hell) rather than egging her on in her crash out. There's comedy that can be mined from that and it would be a more interesting dynamic.

 

[The tired cat]

So, this something that I just thought off: So, in the pilot, Al says to Charlie how there's no redemption for him or anyone else in Hell and how Charlies idea is foolish. Now, we don't know what Al's original goal was, either he did want power or just wanted to entertain himself with Charlies failure. But, what got me thinking is how with Angel clearly supposed to be a character who the series was build and would probably get redeemd at some point. Would Al's view change or would he still be in denial of the idea that someone can be forgiven.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

So, this something that I just thought off: So, in the pilot, Al says to Charlie how there's no redemption for him or anyone else in Hell and how Charlies idea is foolish. Now, we don't know what Al's original goal was, either he did want power or just wanted to entertain himself with Charlies failure. But, what got me thinking is how with Angel clearly supposed to be a character who the series was build and would probably get redeemd at some point. Would Al's view change or would he still be in denial of the idea that someone can be forgiven.

I find it ironic that Vivzie wanted to redo the Helluva Boss pilot when like if any pilot needed a remake in a way it should've been Hazbin Hotel given the many differences in characterization and such

 

[make_it_so]

So, this something that I just thought off: So, in the pilot, Al says to Charlie how there's no redemption for him or anyone else in Hell and how Charlies idea is foolish. Now, we don't know what Al's original goal was, either he did want power or just wanted to entertain himself with Charlies failure. But, what got me thinking is how with Angel clearly supposed to be a character who the series was build and would probably get redeemd at some point. Would Al's view change or would he still be in denial of the idea that someone can be forgiven.

Well knowing what we know now, the question is did Al even want to go the Charlie's hotel in the first place, or was he sent there by Rosie?

 

[Gondolindrim]

Lute is best girl and it's not even close. I'm going to laugh especially hard when they start trying to make her seem evil for wanting the conspiring hordes of demons out of heaven

That's a face you can trust to keep you safe

 

[The tired cat]

Lute is best girl and it's not even close. I'm going to laugh especially hard when they start trying to make her seem evil for wanting the conspiring hordes of demons out of heaven
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That's a face you can trust to keep you safe

An also a face that makes you ask if she took her meds today or not.

Well knowing what we know now, the question is did Al even want to go the Charlie's hotel in the first place, or was he sent there by Rosie?

Ye, this is why the pilot needed a remake like Doc said. 'Cause the pilot gives implication is Al just saw Charlies hotel on the TV and got curious about it. Which, goes in face of S2 leak of where Rosie says how she sent Al to keep an eye on Charlie.

 

[GoodWinSon]

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That's a face you can trust to keep you safe

"Yeah she's great with the demons and good at killing kids"

"..."

"Sorry I mean she's great with the kids and good at killing demons"

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Well knowing what we know now, the question is did Al even want to go the Charlie's hotel in the first place, or was he sent there by Rosie?

An also a face that makes you ask if she took her meds today or not.

Ye, this is why the pilot needed a remake like Doc said. 'Cause the pilot gives implication is Al just saw Charlies hotel on the TV and got curious about it. Which, goes in face of S2 leak of where Rosie says how she sent Al to keep an eye on Charlie.

The season 2 leaks kind of confirm that Alastor was sent to the hotel by Rosie because...well she's Lilith. I don't know why else why Rosie would do something like if she wasn't Charlie's mom.

So, this something that I just thought off: So, in the pilot, Al says to Charlie how there's no redemption for him or anyone else in Hell and how Charlies idea is foolish. Now, we don't know what Al's original goal was, either he did want power or just wanted to entertain himself with Charlies failure. But, what got me thinking is how with Angel clearly supposed to be a character who the series was build and would probably get redeemd at some point. Would Al's view change or would he still be in denial of the idea that someone can be forgiven.

The natural course for this show would be Alastor's initial worldview would eventually change, thanks to Charlie. But because this show is anything but natural, I doubt that will be even touch on. Or if it does, it will come out of literal nowhere with no previous build-up.