Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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The Lawgiver said:
I said it before, I'll keep saying it, but it's genuinely fucking something else how quickly both of these "shows" devolved into the same badly written melodrama wearing the skinsuit of a comedy thing. It took hazbin a bit longer and shorter due to there being fucking nothing aside from the episode 1/pilot for years but the entire reason that got popular was the comedic aspect and the interesting concept of "oh yeah what if you tried to redeem people that were literally fucking irredeemable to the point they were sent to HELL". Hellova boss got popular initially due to similar funny concept as the pitch . Flash forwards a few years it's turned into the same sludge as everything else and there's a trail of people being abandoned for broadway and hollywood people to take their places, and vivziepop now looks like amy schumer and though I said it before it's not going to stop bugging me how she animorphed into amy shcumer once everything started becoming shitty melodrama. I don't care if I'm looping here I have a fucking headache and I don't think people are gonna check every god damn page of this thread just to see the last time I talked about it lmao.
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Part of the reasons why I'm more forgiving towards Helluva over Hazbin is that the writers are least admitting the former is about relationships and class, but Hazbin is still apparently about redemption. Despite what others suggest or thought, I didn't think Hazbin needed to be a "monster of the week" kind of situation, as Angel Dust alone would've been enough to serve the narrative. I don't want to repeat the things I said about him since I felt like I've already done so recently, so I'm going to provide a link to a reddit post where one particular comment thread highlights my issue with him, and the show as a whole.

 
Papa stink said:
It's been memed to death but Viv accidenlty portraying gay people through rapist and drug addicts that have been sent to hell is the funniest thing about this franchise. Did she really not think through the implications of having pride merch with a rapist on it?
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I'm pretty sure St. Peter is meant to be gay or at least bi. That dude is fruity as hell.
 
Strawberry Kiwi Propel said:
Part of the reasons why I'm more forgiving towards Helluva over Hazbin is that the writers are least admitting the former is about relationships and class, but Hazbin is still apparently about redemption. Despite what others suggest or thought, I didn't think Hazbin needed to be a "monster of the week" kind of situation, as Angel Dust alone would've been enough to serve the narrative. I don't want to repeat the things I said about him since I felt like I've already done so recently, so I'm going to provide a link to a reddit post where one particular comment thread highlights my issue with him, and the show as a whole.

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Viziepop's dialogue and "comedy:"

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Some are excusing Alastor's cuss saying it was "impactful" because it shows he finally got very pissed. Nah. Everyone in the show cusses so much and references sex a lot, that the moment someone swears in the show, even if it's someone who doesn't swear,it falls so flat. An argument against this may be "oh you are not watching and listening very closely." People mostly watch to have fun, not to absorb tiny details like Alastor not cursing.
 
Mad Hunter said:
Viziepop's dialogue and "comedy:"

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Some are excusing Alastor's cuss saying it was "impactful" because it shows he finally got very pissed. Nah. Everyone in the show cusses so much and references sex a lot, that the moment someone swears in the show, even if it's someone who doesn't swear,it falls so flat. An argument against this may be "oh you are not watching and listening very closely." People mostly watch to have fun, not to absorb tiny details like Alastor not cursing.
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I'd say the times when the swearing takes me out of it the most are during the song numbers. Hell is Forever is an exception since it's Adam, and that's just in-character, but I always roll my eyes at "Happy fuckin' day in Hell." It's just so unnecessary and completely ruins the flow.
 
Mad Hunter said:
Viziepop's dialogue and "comedy:"

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Some are excusing Alastor's cuss saying it was "impactful" because it shows he finally got very pissed. Nah. Everyone in the show cusses so much and references sex a lot, that the moment someone swears in the show, even if it's someone who doesn't swear,it falls so flat. An argument against this may be "oh you are not watching and listening very closely." People mostly watch to have fun, not to absorb tiny details like Alastor not cursing.
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Maybe if it was only used when Alastor got his staff broken by Adam I would agree. That simple "Oh shit" made sense because he realized that he was screwed now. But the earlier swears ruined that moment. Especially when he went "Fuck you" to Lucifer in their petty argument.
 
InJailOutSoon said:
Maybe if it was only used when Alastor got his staff broken by Adam I would agree. That simple "Oh shit" made sense because he realized that he was screwed now. But the earlier swears ruined that moment. Especially when he went "Fuck you" to Lucifer in their petty argument.
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It is at least fun watching reactions from insane fangirls who built up Alastor in their heads as the ultimate "2 1337 4 u" badass who could wreck God in a fight just get his shit pushed in.
 
InJailOutSoon said:
Maybe if it was only used when Alastor got his staff broken by Adam I would agree. That simple "Oh shit" made sense because he realized that he was screwed now. But the earlier swears ruined that moment. Especially when he went "Fuck you" to Lucifer in their petty argument.
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Since the constant cursing already made it too late to fix the impact destroyed by it, how about when the staff gets broken, Alastor simply quits smiling? That'd be far more visually impactful because he's such an unserious fellow, so when he stops grinning the moment his staff is broken, that means shit got real.




Hell is Forever is an exception since it's Adam, and that's just in-character
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The issue here is everyone talks like that. If there's one trait everyone in the show shares, it's being crass and foul-mouthed with the language alongside not being straight. Result? Once you get something new that meets the category of these two specific things, it doesn't feel new - it's just another rehash with multiple tweaks.
 
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Mad Hunter said:
Since the constant cursing already made it too late to fix the impact destroyed by it, how about when the staff gets broken, Alastor simply quits smiling? That'd be far more visually impactful because he's such an unserious fellow, so when he stops grinning the moment his staff is broken, that means shit got real.
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I would have to look back to confirm if this is still in the actual show, but it does show that Alastor's mouth is sewn for him to be always smiling. Meaning that this is something that is forced on him, most likely because of his deal with Rosie/Lilith.
 
I have a mild feeling the reason why the sins are represented as "ok you can do the bad thing but keep it good and responsible fun" is because it's.... surprise, surprise... a gooner show. The bad things like Lust and Gluttony being described as "a journey" in the words of Asmodeus and something that has to be fun and not done when sad as shown with Beelzebub are a euphemism for sex because the evil Chrischuds and Conservatives see it as bad, and the demons which are the LGBTQ+, Lefties, and commies are the good, open-minded ones who care about boundaries and embracing sexuality.


TL;DR - Both Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss are the ultimate sex joke divided into two parts. Think about it: why is everyone making allusions to sex, all the jokes are sex, and the characters Viv loves the most are so sexual (Stolas and Angel Dust, for example)?
 
Mad Hunter said:
I have a mild feeling the reason why the sins are represented as "ok you can do the bad thing but keep it good and responsible fun" is because it's.... surprise, surprise... a gooner show. The bad things like Lust and Gluttony being described as "a journey" in the words of Asmodeus and something that has to be fun and not done when sad as shown with Beelzebub are a euphemism for sex because the evil Chrischuds and Conservatives see it as bad, and the demons which are the LGBTQ+, Lefties, and commies are the good, open-minded ones who care about boundaries and embracing sexuality.


TL;DR - Both Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss are the ultimate sex joke divided into two parts. Think about it: why is everyone making allusions to sex, all the jokes are sex, and the characters Viv loves the most are so sexual (Stolas and Angel Dust, for example)?
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"Gluttony and debauchery are le good... because it is, okay?!?"
"Being against that makes you a Christofascist!"
 
Mad Hunter said:
I have a mild feeling the reason why the sins are represented as "ok you can do the bad thing but keep it good and responsible fun" is because it's.... surprise, surprise... a gooner show. The bad things like Lust and Gluttony being described as "a journey" in the words of Asmodeus and something that has to be fun and not done when sad as shown with Beelzebub are a euphemism for sex because the evil Chrischuds and Conservatives see it as bad, and the demons which are the LGBTQ+, Lefties, and commies are the good, open-minded ones who care about boundaries and embracing sexuality.


TL;DR - Both Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss are the ultimate sex joke divided into two parts. Think about it: why is everyone making allusions to sex, all the jokes are sex, and the characters Viv loves the most are so sexual (Stolas and Angel Dust, for example)?
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Except Mammon is just completely evil because...capitalism=bad.
 
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