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The only one possibly negative thing that I can say about the new takes of Charlie and Alastor is that you lose the whole Charlastor dynamic. While I myself didn't really ship the two, I did like the dynamic the two had, especially from the pilot. They have a lot of natural chemistry with each other as both give off showman-entertainer vibes.
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The gross sharkman whose dialogue is 90% talking about cum isn't very marketable.
You think a sex-obsessed gay shark with a Chicago (the musical) vibe won't sell to Viv's fanbase of trannies and mentally-delayed fat girls? I wish I could see the world with your eyes.
 
The only one possibly negative thing that I can say about the new takes of Charlie and Alastor is that you lose the whole Charlastor dynamic. While I myself didn't really ship the two, I did like the dynamic the two had, especially from the pilot. They have a lot of natural chemistry with each other as both give off showman-entertainer vibes.
Not everything has to be shipping fuel. I mean Alastors Ace and she's Bi. People can just enjoy it as a story, instead of lowest common denominator gooner bait. Charlie redo already looks like a child's doll, and Alastors just straight evil like he's been "shown" to be.

I would still add a dancing scene in there to add to the princess magic, and that he's a preformer putting a show on for her. That would be pretty cute kinda "wholesome". It would add to a father dynamic in a way, as he'd be luring her in.

Red riding hood and big wolf sort of dynamic.
 
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Since we are sharing our grievances with the way series Charlie is portrayed, I want to share a pet peeve of mine:
For some reason and we can see it in your pics, they decided to give her some kind of bags under her eyes and I absolutely hate it.
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They're such a minor detail and she doesn't have them all the time but I found it such a unnecessary detail, though I will admit that there's moments where it adds to her expression.
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Actually, seeing you pic and comparing with these 2 I think my main problem is that it always makes her look scared even in scenes where she's not supposed to show that emotion.
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Curiously I wanted to compare to pilot Charlie and I found out that she also has bags in certain scenes.
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But notice how much softer they are compared to the official show.
 
Series Charlie is honestly just decent, she isn't bad or anything but she really misses out on some of the spunk the pilot had and I feel that's probably because the actual series is more limited with its animation compared to the Pilot where it felt more free to do crazier things.
 
Alastor

His design. Is straight ass. Nothing too good to say that is likeable. Good job Viv him wearing a suit works for the time period, cool stick thing I suppose. Deer..? He looks like a fox or a edgy jackelope. Also holy shit he's fucking mixed WHAT? As a mulatto myself that niggas not mixed he's fucking ashy, and that hair is he a white woman and that haircut would not be in that timeperiod.
To be fair, my problem with most Viv designs are that, she rely's on double meaning then just making a simple design.

For example Vox being a TV and a fish/shark demon, even if it makes scene it would have been simpler if he was just a TV, or Alastor, he's barley a radio demon and more of a wendigo.

One of you guys posted this image of an AU, much better design then what we got.
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the actual series is more limited with its animation compared to the Pilot where it felt more free to do crazier things.
It was obvious from the beginning that the pilot's animation was going to be pared down and cleaned up a lot if the series ever got picked up, and some of the fun visuals were never going to be in a modern animated series due to budget constraints. But, I agree with your assessment of it wrt Charlie, and after reading your post wish that they had allocated money/time/effort to the animation and physicality of the fucking MAIN CHARACTER at the expense of other aspects of the show, doesn't even matter which ones because I bet there's some pointless background rendering vs. 2D drawing or some voice actor or some wasted time designing outfits for Carmilla that could have easily been dropped to instead put work into the development of the Homer Simpson of the series.
 
It was obvious from the beginning that the pilot's animation was going to be pared down and cleaned up a lot if the series ever got picked up, and some of the fun visuals were never going to be in a modern animated series due to budget constraints. But, I agree with your assessment of it wrt Charlie, and after reading your post wish that they had allocated money/time/effort to the animation and physicality of the fucking MAIN CHARACTER at the expense of other aspects of the show, doesn't even matter which ones because I bet there's some pointless background rendering vs. 2D drawing or some voice actor or some wasted time designing outfits for Carmilla that could have easily been dropped to instead put work into the development of the Homer Simpson of the series.
I think it is more due to the nature of it being picked up by Amazon. Since Amazon would probably cheap out and the animation studio that does a lot of the work for Hazbin's series is the same that does Bob's Burgers. Which Hazbin Hotel is not poorly animated, but I feel it would have more potential if it had the same treatment Helluva Boss has since that show has better animation.

In other words, if Vivzie did not want to do Helluva Boss, Hazbin would have probably been a webshow.

So really....

THAT FUCKING BIRD IS THE REASON EVERYTHING SUCKS
 
Posting again because I found this review of Hazbin Hotel posted a few days ago and despite the shitty mic quality and zoomer editing and attention spawn, the guy pretty much hits all the points we have been talking all over the thread:
 
Posting again because I found this review of Hazbin Hotel posted a few days ago and despite the shitty mic quality and zoomer editing and attention spawn, the guy pretty much hits all the points we have been talking all over the thread:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ro9mAtKqGjg
Forgive me, but I like this guys content. I love Blackisssh. Personally I find him funny, dudes unironically makes Viv's stuffs better in the review.

Like his little bit on the rape scene making the cringe Raph comic dialog changing it to talking to his audience. The video is a thousand times funnier than Viv's works. And his review on Mike and Melissa is funny as well, Mike and Melissa is such a great YouTube video. I watch it and my friends watch it every so often.

It's kinda of funny if Viv showed this shit (HB/HH) to a classroom do you think she'd cringe too? That all her teachers would be the naysayers like Mike portrayed in the animation about his professor?
 
Forgive me, but I like this guys content. I love Blackisssh. Personally I find him funny, dudes unironically makes Viv's stuffs better in the review.

Like his little bit on the rape scene making the cringe Raph comic dialog changing it to talking to his audience. The video is a thousand times funnier than Viv's works. And his review on Mike and Melissa is funny as well, Mike and Melissa is such a great YouTube video. I watch it and my friends watch it every so often.

It's kinda of funny if Viv showed this shit (HB/HH) to a classroom do you think she'd cringe too? That all her teachers would be the naysayers like Mike portrayed in the animation about his professor?
I already watched his video on how awful Helluva Boss is, and I loved it. Sometimes it’s just fun listening to a dude ramble unscripted about shit.
 
Not everything has to be shipping fuel. I mean Alastors Ace and she's Bi. People can just enjoy it as a story, instead of lowest common denominator gooner bait. Charlie redo already looks like a child's doll, and Alastors just straight evil like he's been "shown" to be.

I would still add a dancing scene in there to add to the princess magic, and that he's a preformer putting a show on for her. That would be pretty cute kinda "wholesome". It would add to a father
dynamic in a way, as he'd be luring her in.

Red riding hood and big wolf sort of dynamic.
Something something ace people can also date which...never made sense to me but whatever. Anyway what I meant was, for me personally, it was less about their supposed possible romance, and more on the fact that they were very similar to each other even with their differing word views. Not only is this shown in the pilot, but you also see it being portrayed in merch when it's the two of them or they are in the same line. It's more of a shame that we didn't get that portrayel in the actual show itself.
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Since we are sharing our grievances with the way series Charlie is portrayed, I want to share a pet peeve of mine:
For some reason and we can see it in your pics, they decided to give her some kind of bags under her eyes and I absolutely hate it.
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They're such a minor detail and she doesn't have them all the time but I found it such a unnecessary detail, though I will admit that there's moments where it adds to her expression.
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Actually, seeing you pic and comparing with these 2 I think my main problem is that it always makes her look scared even in scenes where she's not supposed to show that emotion.
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Curiously I wanted to compare to pilot Charlie and I found out that she also has bags in certain scenes.
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But notice how much softer they are compared to the official show.
It's because the Amazon show's animation is more crisp and stiff, while the pilot's animation is softer and more fluid. The pilot's faces would sometimes add lines around the eyes and mouth to show expression on a character, but usually to show an extreme emotion. In the actual show, the characters can't naturally be as exaggerative so they have to rely on the extra lines to show any emotion on a character.
Posting again because I found this review of Hazbin Hotel posted a few days ago and despite the shitty mic quality and zoomer editing and attention spawn, the guy pretty much hits all the points we have been talking all over the thread:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ro9mAtKqGjg
His reviews have made me laugh more than both Hazbin and Helluva put together, so that's a win in my book.
 
Some low effort sketches of the two, I think Alastor would be a tap dancer. I know radio shows would have tap dancing on air (which is sort of funny) since he has hooves it would be cool.

Sort of how I think they'd interact, I still think this pairing would be great. Not shipping material but they're dynamic would be interesting and bittersweet. Charlie thinking someone actually cares about her and her idea, all while Alastor smiles and nods pretending all along the way. Makes the betrayal hit more for her. Getting betrayed twice would hurt and have her grow more.
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I'm wondering how S3 of Helluva can fuck things up even more, there's still a couple characters that miraculously managed to slip through S2 relatively unscathed such as Octavia.
Its quite simple

Stella is going to double down on being irredeemably evil

Octavia is likely going to accept Stolas' relationship and apologize for not understanding anything.

Stolas will somehow be the victim in all of this.
 
Since we are sharing our grievances with the way series Charlie is portrayed, I want to share a pet peeve of mine:
For some reason and we can see it in your pics, they decided to give her some kind of bags under her eyes and I absolutely hate it.
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They're such a minor detail and she doesn't have them all the time but I found it such a unnecessary detail, though I will admit that there's moments where it adds to her expression.
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Actually, seeing you pic and comparing with these 2 I think my main problem is that it always makes her look scared even in scenes where she's not supposed to show that emotion.
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Curiously I wanted to compare to pilot Charlie and I found out that she also has bags in certain scenes.
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But notice how much softer they are compared to the official show.
Show!Charlie looks way more evil than Pilot!Charlie if you ask me. It's an odd design choice to draw attention to her eyes and fangs.
 
Ya know, dont think this was brought up. But, when ya see Adam without his mask, he kinda gives this very tired and worn out look. Like, sure hes behaving like a fratboy/rockstar, but the five o'clock shadow, the dark circles under his eyes. It kinda gives an impression this guy barely sleeps, like he almost tries to avoid it for any way possible.
 
Ya know, dont think this was brought up. But, when ya see Adam without his mask, he kinda gives this very tired and worn out look. Like, sure hes behaving like a fratboy/rockstar, but the five o'clock shadow, the dark circles under his eyes. It kinda gives an impression this guy barely sleeps, like he almost tries to avoid it for any way possible.
I'd love to see an exploration of how much the weight of being the First Man and all that entailed fucked with him, especially combined with the fact that Abel is a main character in S2.

But we all know Adam is never being a real character and is just an outlet for Vivzie to pwn da cishet white menz.
 
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