Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Re(Runner)48]

Not everything has to have a deeper meaning. A fun fact on a character can just be that; a fun fact.

This is Viv we're talking about.

 

[Strawberry Kiwi Propel]

Prequels focusing on side characters can certainly work, sometimes amazingly so.
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But I think it's pretty clear from both Hazbin and Helluva that Vivienne Medrano is no Vince Gilligan.

Yo, I was going to use Better Call Saul as an example.
Let's be real though, BCS was to help expand on characters from Breaking Bad, the Vees spin off would most likely expand on shipping material.

 

[make_it_so]

Yo, I was going to use Better Call Saul as an example.
Let's be real though, BCS was to help expand on characters from Breaking Bad, the Vees spin off would most likely expand on shipping material.

Sadly true. Ideally a Vees spinoff would expand on the character and background stories of the Vees as well as the other Overlords, Lucifer, Lilith, as well as Adam and Lute and what they're up too in Heaven when not carrying out the exterminations. But Viv would probably mainly focus on gay sex drama between Vox and Valentino.

 

[Saxxon]

She also wants to do a spin-off with Oz and Fizz because ya know, Helluva Boss just hasn't had enough of yaoi shipping.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

She also wants to do a spin-off with Oz and Fizz because ya know, Helluva Boss just hasn't had enough of yaoi shipping.

What can even be done with those two? Helluva Boss is a show that I can't see spinoffs working for it.

At least with Hazbin, there are a lot of things that are ripe for spinoff potential and the Vees could theoretically work as a spinoff concept since even if they are not written well, there's more layers to them than the other twink x powerful guy yaoi pair in HB.

 

[make_it_so]

What can even be done with those two? Helluva Boss is a show that I can't see spinoffs working for it.

At least with Hazbin, there are a lot of things that are ripe for spinoff potential and the Vees could theoretically work as a spinoff concept since even if they are not written well, there's more layers to them than the other twink x powerful guy yaoi pair in HB.

Because Viv only wants to focus on twink x powerful gay yaoi pair shit.

She's a fujo slashfic writer that's been given access to animation studio money.

 

[The Nothingness]

>Wants spinoffs for Vees and Ozzie/Fizz
>Refuses to show how Moxxie/Millie ended up married
Total Fujo Death

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

What can even be done with those two? Helluva Boss is a show that I can't see spinoffs working for it.

At least with Hazbin, there are a lot of things that are ripe for spinoff potential and the Vees could theoretically work as a spinoff concept since even if they are not written well, there's more layers to them than the other twink x powerful guy yaoi pair in HB.

Duh, more gay sex. Even when Ozzie and Fizz were fairly interesting characters back during season 1, they're not the duo that one could see carrying a show. (Though most people didn't think BCS was going to be as good as it was, but unlike Viv, Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould are actually talented.)

 

[Re(Runner)48]

Because Viv only wants to focus on twink x powerful gay yaoi pair shit.

She's a fujo slashfic writer that's been given access to animation studio money.

Duh, more gay sex. Even when Ozzie and Fizz were fairly interesting characters back during season 1, they're not the duo that one could see carrying a show. (Though most people didn't think BCS was going to be as good as it was, but unlike Viv, Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould are actually talented.)

>Wants spinoffs for Vees and Ozzie/Fizz

What can even be done with those two? Helluva Boss is a show that I can't see spinoffs working for it.

At least with Hazbin, there are a lot of things that are ripe for spinoff potential and the Vees could theoretically work as a spinoff concept since even if they are not written well, there's more layers to them than the other twink x powerful guy yaoi pair in HB.

In all due respects why the hell doesn't she do a spin off of Lucifers fall and him with Lilith. Hell even CHARLIE'S optimistic mindset and what made the main character who she is today. She's the lead for God sake, you say you care so much about her but her mindset and actions beg to differ.

 

[make_it_so]

In all due respects why the hell doesn't she do a spin off of Lucifers fall and him with Lilith. Hell even CHARLIE'S optimistic mindset and what made the main character who she is today. She's the lead for God sake, you say you care so much about her but her mindset and actions beg to differ.

Most likely because she really hasn't put that much thought if any at all into it, and that's a subject/theme that really needs a lot of deep thought and careful planning put into it if you want to tackle it.

Ideally, a backstory on Lucifer and Lilith would put them in a sympathetic light and highlight that there were mistakes and misunderstandings, but would nonetheless show that ultimately, even if they did have the best of intentions, it was their own pride and arrogance that wound up ruining paradise, creating Hell, and introducing evil into the world and causing the fall of man. But knowing Viv and the other writers she has it would probably be all "poor misunderstood Lucifer and poor Lilith disrespected by that evil misogynist chud Adam."

As for Charlie and her backstory and why she even wants to run the hotel and redeem souls, I can't remember who it was, but someone in this thread had put forth the fascinating theory that the ultimate goal of Charlie's hotel was that she would eventually be able to redeem her father so he could be allowed back into Heaven. That would certainly explain why she believes so much that sinners can be redeemed - mainly because she wants to believe they can be redeemed so that her father, who she loves and adores so much, could finally be able to atone for his actions all those eons ago and return home.

But again, it's doubtful she's given much thought to it other than "I want Charlie to be a quirky and happy Disney Princess type character!"

 

[GoodWinSon]

"Jesse don't come down here it's too red and the owl demon is insufferable"

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

"Jesse don't come down here it's too red and the owl demon is insufferable"
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"Mr. Whyyyteeee - You owe me my sanity for having to listen to these denizens to talk. And their sexual orientation."

 

[Strawberry Kiwi Propel]

"Mr. Whyyyteeee - You owe me my sanity for having to listen to these denizens to talk. And their sexual orientation."
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The only demon Gus would enjoy being around is Alastor. Pilot Alastor specifically. A sophisticated monster who gets down to business to let people know who he is.

But has this positive well mannered gentleman front when interacting with others on an every day basis.




Series Alastor would probably remind Gus of Walt: A man with honest incredible feats.


But has an ego as fragile as glass that he'd be insufferable to deal with for more than five minutes.

And is ultimately all talk, no bite when he's not acting all high and mighty.

 

[AnOminous]

The only demon Gus would enjoy being around is Alastor. Pilot Alastor specifically. A sophisticated monster who gets down to business to let people know who he is.

"Dear, if I wanted to hurt anyone here, I would have done so already."

The Alastor we all wanted, but didn't get.

 

[make_it_so]

Do you think Gus would try to re-enter the fried chicken business with a new Hell-based chain?

 

[Strawberry Kiwi Propel]

"Dear, if I wanted to hurt anyone here, I would have done so already."

The Alastor we all wanted, but didn't get.

"Mom, can we get Alastor?"
"We have Alastor at home."

Alastor at home:

 

[Re(Runner)48]

That is so janky his right eye isn't even looking at the hand it's looking at the sky.

"Mom, can we get Alastor?"
"We have Alastor at home."

Alastor at home:
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[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Do you think Gus would try to re-enter the fried chicken business with a new Hell-based chain?

He'd focus on making sure the entire leadership of the Cartel are perma-dead, then he'd become the Overlord of fried chicken with Max if he managed to survive the past couple decades.

"Dear, if I wanted to hurt anyone here, I would have done so already."

The Alastor we all wanted, but didn't get.

I have nothing against Alastor being revealed as an insufferable narcissist who can't back up his claims as he realizes he's really just the biggest fish in the lake who found himself in the ocean after attaching himself to the Hotel, but it's a good idea executed mediocrely at best.

 

[Re(Runner)48]

Do you think Gus would try to re-enter the fried chicken business with a new Hell-based chain?

You think Alastor would stop cannibalism if he got his first taste of fried chicken?

 

[make_it_so]

He'd focus on making sure the entire leadership of the Cartel are perma-dead, then he'd become the Overlord of fried chicken with Max if he managed to survive the past couple decades.

Problem now is that all his enemies that are in Hell who haven't gotten 86'd yet by Adam's girls would be well aware of his duplicity and would be taking no chances in making sure he's killed themselves. Not just Eladio and the rest of his cartel, but especially the Salamanca clan - all of them, including Don Hector's presumably already deceased brothers and son (again, assuming the Exorcists haven't already gotten to them).

This actually opens up a lot of interesting potential stories. Would Walter try to become an Overlord? Would he become a reclusive chemist hiding away and trying to survive his eternal punishment, or would he try to restart his meth empire in Hell as a means to gain influence with Overlords like the Vees? And how would he react to Charlie's hotel and redemption project, given how much he was trying to redeem his actions towards the end of the final season?

Meanwhile you could have things like Mike working as a private eye/bodyguard/mercenary for Hell's highest bidders, the IMP crew having a run in with the Salamanca Twins as they both wind up going after the same target for a hit, Jack's gang trying to seek out people like Commander Rockwell or some of the OG Nazis, and Nacho just trying to survive day by day by using his wits and doing odd jobs for various people.

And meanwhile up in Heaven

"Hey Adam! I see you and your girls have gotten back from wherever ya'll decide to disappear too this time of year, want to pop open some Schraderbräu to celebrate?"
"Hell yeah, Hank! Toss us some cold ones!"

You think Alastor would stop cannibalism if he got his first taste of fried chicken?

Pollos Hermonos standards would probably be too well done for his tastes.

I have nothing against Alastor being revealed as an insufferable narcissist who can't back up his claims as he realizes he's really just the biggest fish in the lake who found himself in the ocean after attaching himself to the Hotel, but it's a good idea executed mediocrely at best.

"Good idea executed mediocrely" could sum up the entirety of the HH/HB universe.