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Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?

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The Saltening said:
Weren't there allegations or even just actual evidence of multiple members of the pilot team being freaks? I remember this but I dont remember who or what. It was covered in some doc I watched a long time ago
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I wish everyday to find someone in Viv's fandom or staff who is into normal vanilla sex instead of sexual deviancey.
 
The Saltening said:
the charlie on the left seems to have way more of a grasp on the reality of what she is doing. She thinks people deserve a chance to change no matter what they did. Believing people no matter how far gone can eventually learn and change. A very christian perspective tbh.
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I can't wait for the rapist/pedo redemption arc.

Imagine chilling in heaven after dying, having survived a brutal rape, went on to struggle with it for the rest of your life, eventually found a wife/husband, and now you're dead and moved past it...only for your rapist to show up years later like;

"Yeah, sorry I raped you, but I learned how to move on and become a better person. I/me/myself feel better about my actions, and I forgive myself now. Sorry about what I did to you or whatever."

"Wait, but you hurt me, you should be in hell for the horror and trauma you put me through for the rest of my life! I almost killed myself multiple times because of you and lost out on my innocence and so many oppur-"

"The princess of hell forgave me."

What if the goal all along was to just corrupt heaven? Charlie plays innocent and gets low-life scum sent to heaven to cause disorder, and- oh wait, that would be interesting, so at least we can rule that out from ever happening.
 
Larry Trainor said:
What if the goal all along was to just corrupt heaven? Charlie plays innocent and gets low-life scum sent to heaven to cause disorder, and- oh wait, that would be interesting, so at least we can rule that out from ever happening.
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It really does feel like Charlie is trying to engineer a rapefugee crisis. I know she’s been compared to a sheltered rich girl/leftist but how many of these people see themselves in her?
 
Aero the Alcoholic Bat said:
Blackgryphon has been accused of grooming the VA for Applebloom.
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Oh yeah, they were openly talking about meeting up in old posts. It got swept up by the VA's friends and BG's community long enough that her parents couldn't do anything.

And some subsection of retards attacking her trying to force her to realize the situation.
 
InJailOutSoon said:
Something that I don't think anyone on the writing staff realized that they did is that Charlie did refuse Sinners to stay at the hotel that weren't interested in redemption. She basically tells all those people in the hotel in the first episode of season 2 that if they're not here for the hotel's actual purpose to leave.

A good writer would have had that been an arc for Charlie; her starting out just accepting any sinner who came to to door no matter the reason, and maybe even trying to bring them in the hotel herself. But then she grows to learn that no matter how much she wants someone to better themselves, it's not ultimately her choice to make. She can't force the Sinner to change; that has to come from the Sinner themselves.
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The way you are proposing this sort of reminds me the biblical parable of the wedding banquet (Matthew 22 1-14)...
I would like that scenario very much tbh
 
harmy.kook said:
Oh yeah, they were openly talking about meeting up in old posts. It got swept up by the VA's friends and BG's community long enough that her parents couldn't do anything.
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She was 14 when they started spending the night together in their hotel rooms at cons IIRC.
 
Larry Trainor said:
I can't wait for the rapist/pedo redemption arc.

Imagine chilling in heaven after dying, having survived a brutal rape, went on to struggle with it for the rest of your life, eventually found a wife/husband, and now you're dead and moved past it...only for your rapist to show up years later like;

"Yeah, sorry I raped you, but I learned how to move on and become a better person. I/me/myself feel better about my actions, and I forgive myself now. Sorry about what I did to you or whatever."

"Wait, but you hurt me, you should be in hell for the horror and trauma you put me through for the rest of my life! I almost killed myself multiple times because of you and lost out on my innocence and so many oppur-"

"The princess of hell forgave me."

What if the goal all along was to just corrupt heaven? Charlie plays innocent and gets low-life scum sent to heaven to cause disorder, and- oh wait, that would be interesting, so at least we can rule that out from ever happening.
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It would be the most Christian thing to do. But I doubt anyone working on the show wants to get the major backlash from the audience of redeeming a rapist like Valentino. At most, I could see Angel Dust maybe getting a chance to be able to kill Valentino but refusing to do so. And that action will cause controversy enough.

Though people who participated or ordered genocide? That can be forgiven very easily (looking at you Vaggie and Sera). No wonder there's so many Hitler memes with this show.
invisibult plus+ said:
It really does feel like Charlie is trying to engineer a rapefugee crisis. I know she’s been compared to a sheltered rich girl/leftist but how many of these people see themselves in her?
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Most of these people who think they're like Charlie are not. Sure, they may say that anyone can be redeemed, but they don't actually believe that. They want the people they deem as terrible to just suffer. With a Biblical comparison, they are very much like Jonah; they may preach that they want people to better themselves, but deep down they don't want that to happen. They'd get very pissy if someone was to get better and didn't get the consequences they think that person deserved.
 
harmy.kook said:
Yep, and when it came back up last year in relation to that Bluey guy it was swept away because "The victim wife says it wasn't grooming and is happily married"
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I believe he was in the Navy at the time too, wasn't he?

I'm frankly astonished that Blackgryph0n never needed a JAG lawyer.
 
Sleazy Car Salesman said:
She was 14 when they started spending the night together in their hotel rooms at cons IIRC.
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Where exactly does that come from? From what I have skimmed most of the accusations were actually vehemently denied by the supposed victims.
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There was a long ass document about the accusations but from the stuff that I skimmed before I got bored there was nothing I would call actual proof for something.


There was also another long document from the defenders who pointed out that many of the accusers apparently publically uploaded guro loli stuff.


Honestly from the outside perspective all that shit seems like a huge nothing burger but I also don't care enough about it to read trough all that shit, but if anyone else has too much free time to do proper research feel free to go.
 

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GeorgeSmarty said:
Where exactly does that come from?
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From the original accusations, not the edit from years later.

I went and dug up the page from where it was talked about in relation to Saberspark (the Bluey guy I forgot earlier) sweeping it up in the past.
lurker_fuck said:
I agree that people should be leaving Claire alone in all this. If she doesn't want help, that's up to her.

I just wish that some of this stuff was properly covered because I think there is legitimately weird as fuck things that Gabe has done.
On its own, marrying someone close to 10 years younger than you isn't a big deal but its when you factor in everything else it raises eyebrows.

Like Gabe getting into arguments in his c0mment section about how him (25) and Claire (16) aren't dating, but it'd be perfectly okay for them to do so! It's legal in Canada don't you know ;)
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Or their flirting on Twitter.
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And the most damning of it all is his DeviantArt posts where him and this 14 year old Chinese girl are planning on meeting up when he was 20.
From the looks of it, they had a romantic relationship where he stayed over at her place leaving some of his stuff.

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All of this is weird as fuck but needs to be looked into more to confirm some of the details.
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Girly Games Dot Com said:
The only option is to leave her alone because the more people say it’s a problem the less likely she will snap out of it. Grooming victims will believe their abusers aren’t doing anything wrong and will always protect them. It’s not her fault for getting groomed but her actions do mirror Liz Gillies from victorious who met her future husband on set (she was 15 he was 36). He convinced Liz’s parents to have her privately stay at his house during production of victorious. Despite all this they conveniently said they started dating when she was 18. Michelle’s mom severely fucked up having Gabe (a grown ass man) move into their house for singing lessons. This entire situation gives me the ick and it doesn’t help the fandom involved was intended for little girls.
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As I pointed out in my previous post, the problem is some people started alogging them. As a result, shoving Gabe and Michelle even further together. Those terrible A-logs are being used as a deflection though🙄.

Tldr: A-logging +
harmy.kook said:
it was swept away because "The victim wife says it wasn't grooming and is happily married"
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