Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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I've mentioned "I don't know I just thought x" was her motto she probably had tattooed, but in Season 2 Episode 8 it rears its ugly. I didn't watch any of the episodes of season 2 prior, but I watched a video explaining it and it really is Vivienne's motto. All of it. So basically Vox gets support of the entirety of hell (it's honestly one of the better plot points of the show and actually makes it kind of interesting now) and he becomes almost as powerful or on the same level as an angel from heaven or, according to his own words, a god. Alastor tries to best him, but he fails and Charlie has to admit something she strongly doesn't want to do because it has *gasp* consequences for the rest of her home. She has to admit Vox won and that will make him the God of the underworld I guess. But then Valentino steps in and it turns out all you have to do is just rip Vox's head off of his body and boom that's all it takes to kill him.

Like the best fucking moment in the entire show and Hellaverse history is basically undercutted by a cheap gag Vivienne threw in there for no other reason other than "I don't know, it just thought it'd be funny". It's unclear as to how much influence she has over her show, but her directing style just fucking reaks of her shitty decision making and bad ideas and it really makes itself apparent in this episode. I think now that Amazon is in charge of this show and owns it (I think) they need to step in and have her voted out of the company and make a statement that she just wasn't making good decisions and we felt she wasn't the best choice for continuing this show and we as a company need to step in.
The only real strength this show has is that the creator genuinely cares about it.

As flawed as it is, that alone elevates it above true shit like rings of power or that new star trek academy.

If Viv gets booted then the same thing will happen to these shows. It will make the cringe yaoi romance plotline look like Shakespeare.

If she has any sense at all, whatever her deal with Amazon is she retains ownership of the IP. If that isn't the case even if she finishes the story the IP is truly fucked.

Better that it lives or burns at the hands of its creator.
 
To be fair, do you actually think any of these people actually play card games that require poker cards? I think this is just shit people will buy, that will then just stay in a draw somewhere.
I can see a troon policules play strip poker as part of some erp session, just so that they delay having actual sex with each other, since the pre-op ones can't get an erection, and the post-op ones smells like shit and gangrene.
I feel like that is a problem with a lot of modern shows that are advertised as comedies. They can't just have a serious moment be serious; there has to be a joke in there somewhere.
This has been an issue with movies too, ever since the mcu and sequel trilogy arrived, and when it comes to TV series, you can easily blame rick & mort for it.

Anime may be gay or retarded 98% of the times, but at least it can get shit done and focus on action on the important moments, something wester writers doesn't feel like they can afford, or maybe don't understand the importance of, and even dult comedy has been fucking itself over with people misunderstanding what makes a mature joke and instead make low-IQ sex jokes and swear a lot.
The only real strength this show has is that the creator genuinely cares about it.
She doesn't cares about the show, she cares about her ships, and barely anything else.
 
To be fair, that's after Vox loses most of his support by chimping out and nuking half of Pentagram with his angel cannon.
I don't know if its brainrot from watching Dragon Ball Z and seeing how much fucking shit it took for Goku and friends to defeat Vegeta, but that's lowkey anticlimactic.
What if they use a soyjak or variants in one of the shorts?
I don't know what it takes to save the shows honestly, becuase the shorts ain't gonna do it.
They are 2 seasons too late to develop characters and worldbuilding, the literal tumor that is the gay drama is the main plot point so that's something you can't unfuck as easily swapping a lightbulb.
MAYBE Viv could fix her shit and writing by coming out with a good story arc, but she doesn't need to just pull out her A game, she needs to overcompensate for 2 seasons of nothing and make people actually interested for the story and characters aside of the most superficial level shit like the design and sexual identity.

Something like this: let's say that a mission that targeted a demon cult goes wrong and, as a result, the cultists manages to gets their hands on some hair from the male imp whose name I forgot and I can't be bothered to go... moxy, right?
Yeah let's go with moxy...
So, the cultists summons moxy against his will and he's forced to serve the cult, as a result, the goal of the other 3 demons (gay imp, loona and the moxy's wife) shift to his rescue for the whole story arc, use the lack of a character to explore the others and their chemestry with each other and most prominently... What's the name of the female one? milien? Her name is milien, right?
Fuck it, let's go with milien!
With moxy is gone, we explore milien as a character as the 3 starts taking shit seriously and investigate the cult and fight the cultists, alongside a moxy who's either brainwashed or unable to resist the orders of his captors, we can also add a ticking clock in the form of moxy gradually losing his identity and have his memories fading away as he spends time outside hell, with the visula indication of slowly turning from bright red to grayscale, all with the sake to ramp up drama and put milien under stress and push the others to rescue him.
We keep jokes and snark and yap yaps to the bare minimum, extremely rarely made to break the mood and more as a way to cope with the stressful situation by a single member and adressed, not 4th wall breaking adressed or middle of battle adressed, seriously adressed, either outside or before a mission, completely avoiding any marvel humour bullshit.
We build up on the tension until the climax where milien has to fight a demented moxy who stops himself from killing her at the last second, just in time for the others to break the contract and releas him, and then those two have to fight the final horde of cultists and either their newly ascended leader or another summoned demon that was freshly called or was already there before moxy.
After the fight, we get a sad epilogue with the trio standing in front of a comatoes moxy, he has most likely forgotten his own identity, his skin is now permanently turned greyscale, his wife trying everything to wake him up for a while, and we eventually end the season with him waking up and set up an actually good cliffhanger to make people look for the the next season: yes, he did forget who he was, but this also caused memories of a past life, when he was a human to emerge, something that should be complety impossible, considering that he's an imp and all that, but provides intrigue for the next season, the kind of stuff that can make the writers look for moxy and his family's origins, or explore the true nature of imps, if they have a soul and their origins.

You may call this a little cliche, you may call me a nigger for not including the gay ass owl or a sperg for writing this whole thing.
I don't give a fuck, this is the kind of shit required for viv to make up for 2 seasons of fuckwits:
Actual drama, some stakes, moments for the characters to be somber and competent, as well as explore and expand on characters that aren't her confort gay demons and add/adjust some of the worldbuilding and even space to make an actual villain, instead of le evil wife.
 
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I don't give a fuck, this is the kind of shit required for viv to make up for 2 seasons of fuckwits:
Actual drama, some stakes, moments for the characters to be somber and competent, as well as explore and expand on characters that aren't her confort gay demons and add/adjust some of the worldbuilding and even space to make an actual villain, instead of le evil wife.
Shows that get this far gone rarely recover.

At this point, I'm not even watching the show, but I'm enjoying the trainwreck. Maybe after it ends I'll watch a few of the episodes that people said were good.
 
I only get plushies from sharkrobot.

Other then that, I don't bother getting T-shirts and avoid per-orders.

I would not mind playing cards offer, (Especially when it's Final Sale, it also tells you about the merch) however I don't want to see characters I dislike, especially the tranny.
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i really like cards and card related accessories. i didnt realize viv sold so many differents cards. silver plated, playing cards, metal cards, etc.

most on big sale. might have to grab me some. The trading card i got with the hazbin hotel season 1 blu ray is pretty neat. I wish i had more of them.
 
Shows that get this far gone rarely recover.
I don't think this show will ever recover, I'm just listing what is needed for the show to actually recover, and since it implies "no musicals" and its the kind of stuff a man would write and/or enjoy when viziepop is a woman working for the jews, I have no hope whatsoever that she will commit to this level of writing, but who knows?
After all, people loves to point out that Fullmetal alchemist was written by a woman so, albeit the chances that viv locks in and deliver something decent are statistically irrelevant, they still ain't a complete 0%
At this point, I'm not even watching the show, but I'm enjoying the trainwreck. Maybe after it ends I'll watch a few of the episodes that people said were good.
Didn't s2 ended up with milien (is that her name?) getting pregnant and calling her tranny brother to discuss it?
 
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What would the show even recover to? The pilots were good but not great and benefitted tremendously from the "indy" label.
 
What would the show even recover to? The pilots were good but not great and benefitted tremendously from the "indy" label.
With Helluva Boss, this show was supposed to be the simple comedy sister show that was supposed to keep the audience entertained while the bigger main show Hazbin Hotel was being made.

But because nothing can stay simple anymore, and everything has to be like the next Avatar or whatever, we have Helluva Boss as it is today. And it would be impossible for Helluva to go back to what it was before because that time has long since passed us. It's why Helluva Boss is now going to stream on Amazon instead of just being a YouTube show; it has to get bigger, grander, more pizzazz.
 
With Helluva Boss, this show was supposed to be the simple comedy sister show that was supposed to keep the audience entertained while the bigger main show Hazbin Hotel was being made.
That's what I'm saying though, the show was never fantastic it was literally just a bench warmer that got too big for its britches. The Nick Foles of Western Animation.
 
Didn't s2 ended up with milien (is that her name?) getting pregnant and calling her tranny brother to discuss it?
This is exactly what happened. and it’s as stupid as it sounds. I still do not know, to this day, why the fuck anyone gives a shit about Michelle’s tranny brother. It feels so forced. Like I get it, it’s Morgana’s self insert, but still. You’d think it be mocked.
 
That's what I'm saying though, the show was never fantastic it was literally just a bench warmer that got too big for its britches. The Nick Foles of Western Animation.
Honestly, they could lock in with being just good. American Dad managed to do it, and I’d say it’s a lot better than Family Guy. A lot of the problems stems from the desire to have a complex narrative. Just write them all as sociopaths, and have them all accept that, then just write a decent to good show. That’s it.
 
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This is exactly what happened. and it’s as stupid as it sounds.
Absolute cinema.
I still do not know, to this day, why the fuck anyone gives a shit about Michelle’s tranny brother.
You see, she is an hecking valid troon.
HH and HH are jewish shows, their target demographics is tumblrites and rettitors.

Its as if disney made zootopia without picking the easily lewdable rabbit and submissable male fox as main characters.
 
You see, she is an hecking valid troon.
Everything about this character just shows how stupid trans as a concept is, and how stupid these people are for buying into it. He is apparently a Lesbian, with a dick. Does no one else see the contradiction in that statement? Lesbians don’t have dicks, and quiet famously don’t like dicks.

To quote Ted, there are no chicks with dicks, just guys with tits.
 
Everything about this character just shows how stupid trans as a concept is, and how stupid these people are for buying into it. He is apparently a Lesbian, with a dick. Does no one else see the contradiction in that statement? Lesbians don’t have dicks, and quiet famously don’t like dicks.
Honestly, viv could have had a single based take and say that there are hermaprhodite imps because its literally hell and sinners gonna sin.
But no, she had to sell merch where the troon imp waves the troon flag and make her a transbian, as spineless as a take as you get.
To quote Ted, there are no chicks with dicks, just guys with tits.
Pretty sure viv's cartoons follow furry porn logic, except with futanari/hermaphrodite characters being automatically replaced with troons, otherwise the 5% of braindead trannies that believe those 2 words are transphobic slurs gets mad and kill themselves.
If you think I'm wrong, explain how a twink with 3 centimeters wide waists gets fucked in the ass without snapping in half.
 
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So, recently Viv had an intereview and here is what she said. She says how if the show was how it was in the pilot and kept being a comedic episodic show, she would have gotten bored of it and it would have ended on S1. How she loves series with arcs and not "popcorn". How S1 had a plot, just was thin on it unlike S2. The shorts are the episodic stuff, which she likes taking part in, but she never makes 'em. An how if people still think the show is supposed to be how it was shown in the pilot, then you may as well watch the shorts.
 
She says how if the show was how it was in the pilot and kept being a comedic episodic show, she would have gotten bored of it and it would have ended on S1.
My immediate question then is, why did she pitch it like that was what it was? This honestly feels like she lied to everyone, because she knew if not for the pilot and comedy aspect, it would have flopped.
 
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