Having Children

[An Anime Gal]

Wow what are you gay? Just push that grapefruit out yo Vagina nigga just close your eyes and push.

I am not physically equipped for the excruciating pain involved and the possible risk of death, unfortunately.

 

[killmeme]

Would like to have kids as long as I'll find a suitable person to have them with. Single parenthood? You can fuck off.

To create life is to create a death. With an enormous population of children living and dying in crisis, creating more people is reprehensible.


There is NO selfless reason to procreate.

If only antinatalists chose to kill themselves to loosen up some space I'd take them more seriously.

 

[GnomeofDoc]

I am not physically equipped for the excruciating pain involved and the possible risk of death, unfortunately.

Feel for you I want kids and other half does as well I mean it’s the ultimate DIY project growing another human to adult hood. Like the Sims but more MAJOR consequences.

 

[SofondaCox]

Would like to have kids as long as I'll find a suitable person to have them with. Single parenthood? You can fuck off.


If only antinatalists chose to kill themselves to loosen up some space I'd take them more seriously.

Putting the burden of suicide on those who have decided to reduce suffering and harm. Cute.
You don't need to take antinatalism seriously, why should you. Instead, put your head down and do what your evolutionary programming tells you. There's great comfort in embracing your helplessness.

 

[killmeme]

Putting the burden of suicide on those who have decided to reduce suffering and harm. Cute.
You don't need to take antinatalism seriously, why should you. Instead, put your head down and do what your evolutionary programming tells you. There's great comfort in embracing your helplessness.

Kill yourself. That will do more to reduce pain and suffering than your sperging on wherever you feel like telling people not to have kids.
It's kinda funny those people are cropping up in 1st world countries where the birth rates are down, innit. I'm sure Africans don't have to deal with those annoying twats (thought maybe they should).

 

[QU 734]

Putting the burden of suicide on those who have decided to reduce suffering and harm. Cute.
You don't need to take antinatalism seriously, why should you. Instead, put your head down and do what your evolutionary programming tells you. There's great comfort in embracing your helplessness.

Good for you. I just wish more evolutionary dead ends would follow your example and hop out of the gene pool.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

Putting the burden of suicide on those who have decided to reduce suffering and harm. Cute.
You don't need to take antinatalism seriously, why should you. Instead, put your head down and do what your evolutionary programming tells you. There's great comfort in embracing your helplessness.

I have yet to meet an antinatalist who comes across as a well-adjusted and happy person. You would probably agree with this statement and see it as a confirmation of your beliefs, but I would advise you that perhaps you should try to overcome your confirmation bias for a moment and ask yourself whether your philosophy is actually doing you or anyone else any good.

As far as I am concerned, antinatalists suffer from the same intellectual problem that Buddhists do. They recognize the fact that life entails some degree of suffering, but rather than working to make the best of it, they instead regress into a thought process that completely disempowers them and robs them of any happiness.

I would suggest, for your own sake, that you try to find some greater meaning in life. It's not all doom and gloom.

 

[SofondaCox]

Thank you for your concern, really. I've got seven children, my life is busy, complicated, and full of chaos.
There's a great deal of meaning to be had without pulling sentient life from the void without consent.

Would it have been better to not have been, of course, but we are here, and there is (arguably) a moral obligation
to improve your little corner of the world. I try to do that. ❤

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

Thank you for your concern, really. I've got seven children, my life is busy, complicated, and full of chaos.
There's a great deal of meaning to be had without pulling sentient life from the void without consent.

Would it have been better to not have been, of course, but we are here, and there is (arguably) a moral obligation
to improve your little corner of the world. I try to do that. ❤

Would it have been better to have not been? I would argue that this begs the question: better for whom? The universe doesn't have any sense of what is better or worse. This is something that we sentient life decide for ourselves, and I think that most people, myself included, prefer the idea of a universe where they had been born to a universe where they had not.

 

[SofondaCox]

Would it have been better to have not been? I would argue that this begs the question: better for whom? The universe doesn't have any sense of what is better or worse. This is something that we sentient life decide for ourselves, and I think that most people, myself included, prefer the idea of a universe where they had been born to a universe where they had not.

It depends on the individual, and thats the problem with creating new life. Nobody wants to wither and die, nobody wants to
experience humiliation or loss. When we create a person, we decide for them its "worth it". It's taking risks for another person,
which we have no right to do. I've seen arguments for careful eugenics that do remove some of the risks, but even then, there's
a violation there I can't get past.

Have you read "The Conspiracy Against the Human Race", by Thomas Ligotti? Lemme find a free copy!

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjABegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw1dJC4lm0of1IC7qAOgh7ZE

This book explains it fully. ❤

 

[killmeme]

Thank you for your concern, really. I've got seven children, my life is busy, complicated, and full of chaos.
There's a great deal of meaning to be had without pulling sentient life from the void without consent.

Would it have been better to not have been, of course, but we are here, and there is (arguably) a moral obligation
to improve your little corner of the world. I try to do that. ❤

What the fuck. You are an anti-natalist but you have 7 children?

You don't need to take antinatalism seriously, why should you. Instead, put your head down and do what your evolutionary programming tells you. There's great comfort in embracing your helplessness.

So, looks like this was a projection since you breed like a rabbit.

 

[SofondaCox]

I didn't create them, but they're mine, yes. I'm a mother. It's an innate thing for most girls.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

It depends on the individual, and thats the problem with creating new life. Nobody wants to wither and die, nobody wants to
experience humiliation or loss. When we create a person, we decide for them its "worth it". It's taking risks for another person,
which we have no right to do. I've seen arguments for careful eugenics that do remove some of the risks, but even then, there's
a violation there I can't get past.

Have you read "The Conspiracy Against the Human Race", by Thomas Ligotti? Lemme find a free copy!

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjABegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw1dJC4lm0of1IC7qAOgh7ZE

This book explains it fully. ❤

Perhaps the fact that nobody wants to wither and die speaks to the idea that there is a positive quality to being alive that makes it worth living. There are of course people who wish that they had never been born, but can the parents of these people really be blamed for that? Could it be that many of these parents were good people who intended for their child to live a good life, but simply lacked the power to make that so?

I haven't read the book, but I cannot condemn parenthood on the basis that the child never consented to being born, for the simple reason that the choice which was made for them is a completely reversible one. If one is unsatisfied with life, then they can end it, and return immediately to the state that they were in before their life began: an unspecified mass of unconscious matter.

I don't encourage this, but if one is really so indignant over the fact that they were born against their will, then this is the action that they should undoubtedly take, otherwise, they are implicitly agreeing with the idea that their birth was justified, and that their parent's decision to create them was the correct one.

 

[SofondaCox]

How can suicide be an answer to existential dread? When death and loss is a horror? THE horror? There is no harm done by non existence. Death, on the other hand, is the end of hope, memory, wishes, relationships. It's the end of everything. Some would prefer to not have been
in the face of it, and I think that's very understandable.

 

[QU 734]

Spoiler: Spoiler for OT

As far as I am concerned, antinatalists suffer from the same intellectual problem that Buddhists do. They recognize the fact that life entails some degree of suffering, but rather than working to make the best of it, they instead regress into a thought process that completely disempowers them and robs them of any happiness.

I find many people (a ridiculous number of them Buddhists) fail to get the point of the practice. This is understandable because it's not really intuitive and languages suck at imparting direct experience.

When you strip away all the bullshit and get to the core, making the best of things is the goal. Sure, 'negative' things 'exist', but, just like 'positive' and 'neutral' things, you have a choice in how you interpret and react to them. To put it simply, if inaccurately, 'enlightenment' is the sustained realization that while pain is unavoidable, suffering is optional.

 

[SofondaCox]

Urgh, double post, sorry. ❤

 

[Marlow]

I've thought about names for potential sons / daughters a lot, but I probably won't be in any good place to have them until at least the mid 2020s.
Ultimately the goal is to spend most of the rest of your life with an SO that you will still love to be around even after the fire from the first 7 years fades, and to raise well-adjusted children in a nice neighborhood and give them a better life than the one you were given.

I don't think it's necessarily selfish or selfless to have kids. You aren't a saint for bringing life into a world like this, you're a saint for bringing life into this world and raising them be strong enough to survive the inevitable tough times they will encounter. And on the other end, you aren't being generous by not reproducing and adding to the overpopulation issue, you're just choosing an evolutionary idleness standpoint which proves futile regardless because of just how many fucking babies are being made.

Population control will happen both naturally (with another disease like the Spanish Flu popping up) and unnaturally with shit like abortion and new contraceptives. It's fine to not want kids because of monetary reasons or just plain disdain towards them, but don't act like you're doing the world a favor by choosing not to impregnate someone.

 

[Nazi vegeta]

I didn't create them, but they're mine, yes. I'm a mother. It's an innate thing for most girls.

7 cats is a lot of work.
don't stress yourself.

 

[SofondaCox]

Very cute, but they're human.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

How can suicide be an answer to existential dread? When death and loss is a horror? THE horror? There is no harm done by non existence. Death, on the other hand, is the end of hope, memory, wishes, relationships. It's the end of everything. Some would prefer to not have been
in the face of it, and I think that's very understandable.

If you understand why death and loss is such a horror, then you will understand why the antinatalist position makes no sense. We are horrified by the prospect of death because we intuitively understand that our lives have positive value and meaning, which contradicts the antinatalist position that the being alive is a net negative.