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ban guns and police. instead we should give everyone swords, teach them kung fu, bring back the samurai, and make america feudal japan
 
I live in NJ which isn't the worst state when it comes to gun laws but it is up there even bb guns are classified as firearms.


However crossbows, flare guns, and presumably net launchers are all perfectly legal and you can order them online and have them mailed to you. Guess I gotta make due with those when shit hits the fan.
 
Teach kids in school how to handle firearms, if someone has cash let them buy it, end of story for me. Whatever I make my own guns/we’re given to me. Fuck a 4473
 
I think it's a very touchy subject. But personally, I believe that we should always think in terms of what the founding fathers meant for the Constitution. Every amendment has it's own exceptions. For example, the first amendment. Freedom of speech exists, unless that speech harms people. Such as CP, fraud, blackmail, obscenity, true threats, fighting words, incitement to imminent lawless action, solicitations to commit crimes, defamation (including libel and slander), etc. You also have freedom of religion, but the free exercise thereof has always been a challenge to lawmakers. Just to list a few examples, say you're an indigenous American and use peyote in religious ceremonies. You can still be fired from your job or criminally prosecuted. Or if you discriminate against homosexuals in housing, employment or other services, or if you're a Seventh Day Adventist and don't work on Saturdays or if a religious institution doesn't want to pay for contraceptives. Those are just a few examples, but there's many more. And what applies to the first amemdment may also apply to the second. Lawmakers can still make exceptions to it, like who can own firearms, what firearms may be available to civilians, red flag laws, gun free zones, etc.
 
Jasonfan89 said:
I live in NJ which isn't the worst state when it comes to gun laws but it is up there even bb guns are classified as firearms.


However crossbows, flare guns, and presumably net launchers are all perfectly legal and you can order them online and have them mailed to you. Guess I gotta make due with those when shit hits the fan.
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Dude what? You can't just buy a shotgun or rifle of some sort?
 
FunPosting101 said:
Dude what? You can't just buy a shotgun or rifle of some sort?
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Nope last I checked even those need a gun license to buy and if you're a minor while you can own them you need your parents to buy them and they need to be long barrelled only. Sorta a compromise for the farms out in the NJ countryside the state is truly a tale of two cities.

On the one hand you have places like Jersey City and Hoboken which due to being close to NY are super liberal but then you get places like Sparta and upstate close to Pennsylvania where everyone has a dairy farm or ranch (mostly for tourists) and those places are very pro gun. So the State has compromises like that in place
 
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Sicklick said:
Funny enough, most mass shootings happen in the liberal paradise Colorado, not red states or just the southeast in general. That's what I find the most ironic.
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Don't forget Chicago, not technically mass shootings, but it's involves black-on-black crime. The MSM cover a bit before tossing it under the carpet.
 
Super-Chevy454 said:
Don't forget Chicago, not technically mass shootings, but it's involves black-on-black crime. The MSM cover a bit before tossing it under the carpet.
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Yeah, hardly any of them happen where I live. So far, all the mass shootings that happened in my state in the 21st century I can count on one hand.

Timothy Ray Jones Jr. - 5 dead (2014)
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Sunghee Kwon - 1 dead (2015)
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Dylann Roof - 9 dead, 1 wounded (2015)
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Jesse Osborne - 2 dead, 3 wounded (2016)
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Todd Kohlhepp - 7 dead (2016)
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Now compare that to how many that happen in Colorado and California. It's a drop in the bucket.
 
Super-Chevy454 said:
Don't forget Chicago, not technically mass shootings, but it's involves black-on-black crime. The MSM cover a bit before tossing it under the carpet.
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Akshully many of them technically are mass shootings. Definition entails any shooting with 3 or more (maybe 4 or more, I forget) victims.
 
Sicklick said:
Funny enough, most mass shootings happen in the liberal paradise Colorado, not red states or just the southeast in general. That's what I find the most ironic.
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Specifically the suburbs just southeast of Denver. There has been something fucked going on there. Something different about the way kids were raised there starting in the 1980s. Some socio-political idea that got started exactly there and then spread to other suburbs of major cities.
 
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Specifically the suburbs just southeast of Denver. There has been something fucked going on there. Something different about the way kids were raised there starting in the 1980s. Some socio-political idea that got started exactly there and then spread to other suburbs of major cities.
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Would be a winning bet that the bog standard mix of job market collapsing with drugs/gangs moving in contributing to the shit show.
 
Assertion: More guns means more violence.
Fact: There is no correlation between the number of guns in a country and its murder rate.

Assertion: America is the only country that has mass killings.
Fact: There are multiple first world countries with higher per capita mass killing rates than America.

Assertion: Mass shootings are a major problem that need to be solved.
Fact: The odds of dying in a mass shooting are 1/600th that of dying of a stroke, and that's if you count any shooting involving 3 or more people. If you only count random mass shootings like school and theater shootings, those odds become 1/6,000th. If mass shootings are enough of a threat to ban guns, strokes are at least six hundred times that threat, and proportionally we should be six hundred times as insistent on banning unhealthy food and making exercise mandatory.

Assertion: More guns means more suicide.
Fact: There is no correlation between firearm availability and suicide rate by country in the first world. Most countries with the highest suicide rates have outlawed or heavily restricted guns.

Assertion: Even one death is too many.
Fact: Alcohol kills 88,000 people a year. Tobacco kills 480,000. If one death is too many, those must be banned as well.

Assertion: America's murder rate is really high for a first world country, and we also love guns. There must be a connection.
Fact: America's murder rate is really high for a first world country. We have statistically proven the reason hundreds of times, and it's not guns.

I can think of no argument to ban guns that doesn't already have an objective, statistical refutation. It's always either an appeal to emotion or a lie. And I say this as someone who doesn't, and never has, owned a gun.
 
Gun laws work in that they make guns less accessible through ordinary means, but what they fail to address is by other means. Like through the streets, through improvisation, etc. The best way to combat this would be through stopping lead production and confiscating every gun on the street through buyback programs. Collect all guns and ammo. In that scenario, whoever has any guns left would have to keep it a secret while the rest of the world burns around them, possibly burying it somewhere deep underground and not use it at all. That would be the most effective way of approaching it. Then what are people gonna do? You always have the black market grenade trade. In Sweden Somalis are using black market grenades imported from the Balkans from their wars in the 90s that are being used in regular crime there. Grenades are also frequently used in other countries where guns are scarce, like in Mexico. They are used because of their tendency to not leave behind any evidence and the plausible deniability that comes with prosecution of these offenses (like if someone throws it in a crowd they'd be charged with reckless endangerment or attempted murder as opposed to somebody who shot into a crowd). You also have blades, which are also unregulated and even if they were, can still be bought off the black market fairly easily (like the Zombie Killer knife).

Guns are easy to control, other weapons aren't.
 
Sicklick said:
Gun laws work in that they make guns less accessible through ordinary means, but what they fail to address is by other means. Like through the streets, through improvisation, etc. The best way to combat this would be through stopping lead production and confiscating every gun on the street through buyback programs. Collect all guns and ammo. In that scenario, whoever has any guns left would have to keep it a secret while the rest of the world burns around them, possibly burying it somewhere deep underground and not use it at all. That would be the most effective way of approaching it. Then what are people gonna do? You always have the black market grenade trade. In Sweden Somalis are using black market grenades imported from the Balkans from their wars in the 90s that are being used in regular crime there. Grenades are also frequently used in other countries where guns are scarce, like in Mexico. They are used because of their tendency to not leave behind any evidence and the plausible deniability that comes with prosecution of these offenses (like if someone throws it in a crowd they'd be charged with reckless endangerment or attempted murder as opposed to somebody who shot into a crowd). You also have blades, which are also unregulated and even if they were, can still be bought off the black market fairly easily (like the Zombie Killer knife).

Guns are easy to control, other weapons aren't.
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Stopping lead production?
Lol no. For one thing, lead is used in more than bullets,. Secondly, new environmental regulations have seen the development of copper projectiles for rifles, and bismuth, tungsten, and steel shot.
Buyback program?
In Australia, approximately 1/3 of the firearms in the country were surrendered in a mandatory buyback years ago. I can think of multiple people who still have their rifles or shotguns because they simply refused to give them up. Because these firearms are held illegally, people also aren't locking them in safes (as I do, because I'm a licensed firearms owner) Pistols weren't really part of the culture here prior to the buyback, but people involved in organised crime seem to have no problem acquiring them. In fact, a black market handgun is actually cheaper than a licensed one, because w have a massive tax on all firearm related products. Keep in mind that this is Australia, where we don't have a second amendment, or a particularly strong gun culture.
 
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