Gun Control

[JohnDoe]

Gun laws work on people that would follow laws.

There, I corrected that for you. Anywhere that people are willing to break the laws, they will. Guns are illegal in the favelas of Brazil, but the gangs have them by the score because guns are easy to make and they want them to assist in crime. This site details a number of examples around the world.

All gun control laws do is disarm the citizenry and leave them defenseless against armed criminals.

 

[Sicklick]

There, I corrected that for you. Anywhere that people are willing to break the laws, they will. Guns are illegal in the favelas of Brazil, but the gangs have them by the score because guns are easy to make and they want them to assist in crime. This site details a number of examples around the world.

All gun control laws do is disarm the citizenry and leave them defenseless against armed criminals.

Well no shit. If somebody is dedicated enough to build one fron scratch they fucking will. But even that is a skilled proposal, look at the Halle synagogue shooter. He did nothing.

 

[JohnDoe]

Well no shit. If somebody is dedicated enough to build one fron scratch they fucking will. But even that is a skilled proposal....

I can tell that you didn't check the link I provided and that you don't know anything about firearms.

A rudimentary shotgun can be made in minutes with a few pipes and nail from a hardware store for less than 20 dollars. Automatic weapons like the Luty were designed from the ground up to be easily manufactured by laymen. The Sterling was engineered to be built by the village bicycle repair man or farm blacksmith in the 1930s! Any criminal with a bit of experience with tools, like the kind that run chop shops for example, can make functional guns easily and sell them to any that don't. They may not be as pretty, or reliable, or as accurate as a high end commercial gun but they will do drive-bys, hold-ups and murders just fine.

Bringing up one sped that couldn't tie his own shoes doesn't invalidate the thousands of guns produced by the black market or their victims.

 

[Baguette Child]

Grew up in a country with tight gun laws. People still had guns. People still got shot. Laws only apply to people who care about following them, and the very people who constitute the biggest threat in the first place aren't in that category.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

I don't think Biden will get the gun bans he wants in the same way that Obama didn't, but the best way to make sure is for Republicans to win the Georgia senate runoffs. If they get at least one of them then the senate has an R majority. Otherwise it's down to Joe Manchin (very moderate Democrat from West Virginia) to keep his promises not to pack the courts or end the filibuster, and I don't like trusting politicians to keep their promises, though it makes sense for him to take a moderate position as a Democrat in a deep red state.

 

[Particle Bored]

I don't think Biden will get the gun bans he wants in the same way that Obama didn't, but the best way to make sure is for Republicans to win the Georgia senate runoffs. If they get at least one of them then the senate has an R majority. Otherwise it's down to Joe Manchin (very moderate Democrat from West Virginia) to keep his promises not to pack the courts or end the filibuster, and I don't like trusting politicians to keep their promises, though it makes sense for him to take a moderate position as a Democrat in a deep red state.

I doubt confiscations or buybacks are viable, but I wouldnt be surprised to get another 90s AWB on sales or maybe his proposed ban on online sales of guns/parts/accessories.

California tried to make it so barrels, magazines, pistol slides, and 80% frames could only be sold through "licensed vendors" (thereby all but killing sales from out of state vendors) and requiring a background check. That bill died but they did pass one that applies to 80%s. I dont think something along the lines of the initial attempt would fly nationally, but theyre trying.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

I doubt confiscations or buybacks are viable, but I wouldnt be surprised to get another 90s AWB on sales or maybe his proposed ban on online sales of guns/parts/accessories.

California tried to make it so barrels, magazines, pistol slides, and 80% frames could only be sold through "licensed vendors" (thereby all but killing sales from out of state vendors) and requiring a background check. That bill died but they did pass one that applies to 80%s. I dont think something along the lines of the initial attempt would fly nationally, but theyre trying.

Online sales maybe. A ban on sales of the most popular rifle in the country would need the end of the filibuster and court packing, and I don't think he can get those.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

reading this thread is like entering libertarian la-la land where human nature doesn't matter because we're all Rational Individuals™

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

I can tell that you didn't check the link I provided and that you don't know anything about firearms.

A rudimentary shotgun can be made in minutes with a few pipes and nail from a hardware store for less than 20 dollars. Automatic weapons like the Luty were designed from the ground up to be easily manufactured by laymen. The Sterling was engineered to be built by the village bicycle repair man or farm blacksmith in the 1930s! Any criminal with a bit of experience with tools, like the kind that run chop shops for example, can make functional guns easily and sell them to any that don't. They may not be as pretty, or reliable, or as accurate as a high end commercial gun but they will do drive-bys, hold-ups and murders just fine.

Bringing up one sped that couldn't tie his own shoes doesn't invalidate the thousands of guns produced by the black market or their victims.

There are multiple reports of Afghani tribesmen knocking out AK-47 clones in their crappy-ass blacksmith huts.

You'd have to register every CNC machine, every machine shop, every 3D printer, everyone who's got basic machine tools.

I wonder how many people remember how gun control started with Jim Crow laws in the South.

 

[societyguy01]

Protip: The only reason why the government would want to take away your gun rights is if they're going to do something that will make you want to kill them

in minecraft

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

the gubment takes muh guns, but muh guns will take back muh gubment

 

[Super-Chevy454]

I bump this thread by giving some kudos to Bolsonaro what he said about guns. https://www.zerohedge.com/political...supports-buy-gun-damn-it-amid-impending-chaos

Why on Earth would Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro tell supporters on Friday that "everyone should buy a rifle"? Is the unstable South American emerging economy, suffering from the virus pandemic, rapid food inflation, and out-of-control poverty about to stumble into further socio-economic chaos?

"Everybody has to buy a rifle, damn it! The armed people will never be enslaved. I know it costs a lot. An idiot says: 'Ah, what you have to buy is beans,' if you don't want to, don't buy the rifle, but do not come to disturb whoever wants to buy it," Bolsonaro told reporters.

Latin American Telesur's Nacho Lemus recorded video of the president telling supporters that "in a country with more than half of the population under food insecurity and in the midst of a new increase in the price of food, gasoline, gas, and electricity" now is the time to buy a gun.

https://twitter.com/LemusteleSUR/status/1431349073257377794

Both murders and killings are on the rise in the country, exacerbated by the virus pandemic. A socio-economic economic collapse could be in the making.

Brazilian Real has lost half its value in the past decade. The decline accelerated during the virus pandemic.

 

[TheJelqster]

Bumping this Thread due to the debate that @JimmyNugget is trying to cause in the Texas shooting thread. So are you for gun control?

 

[Hummingbird]

I used to be until I befriended a guy who carried a handgun with him wherever he went. It scared me at first, but after a while I used to it and understood why he did it.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

gun control is completely pointless when it takes the form of limiting where you can take a gun (because nobody will just walk across the line, right?) and there are too many guns in circulation already for controlling access to help much. The only form of gun control that may be worth it at all is a mass confiscation with the intention of transitioning to a gunless society.

 

[TFT-A9]

Bumping this Thread due to the debate that @JimmyNugget is trying to cause in the Texas shooting thread. So are you for gun control?

Very much so. Trigger discipline, mind where that thing is pointed, practice so you know your firearm well, and remember that someone trying to forcibly take it from your hands takes it out of your control.

Oh you probably meant disarmament. Molon labe, cocksuckers.

 

[Picnic_Boy]

Guns are the only issue I don't compromise on. They are the ultimate citizen's veto, the thorn in the glove keeping Big Brother from clenching his mailed fist.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Mind if I share what Jared Taylor of American Renaissance said about gun control? Some will call his rant racist, others will said he tell an inconvenient truth because he said guns isn't the trouble, race is.
https://www.amren.com/videos/2022/06/we-dont-have-a-gun-problem-we-have-a-race-problem/ ( https://archive.ph/v2Ayv )( https://ghostarchive.org/archive/oADIM )

He posted a video on Rumble who's also mirrored on BitChute, Brighteon, Gab TV, 3Speak, UGETube, and Odysee.

The country is, yet again, in a state of frenzy over guns and gun control. On May 24, President Joseph Biden named what he saw as enemy number-one of gun control. [[2:25 – 2:33 “As a nation – gun lobby?”]] This was right after Salvador Ramos shot up Robb Elementary School in Uvalde Texas; 22 dead, 18 wounded.

But that was one of three high-profile mass shootings that brought calls for gun control.

Just 10 days earlier in Buffalo, Payton Gendron killed 10 people and wounded three more in an attack on blacks that he thought would start a race war.

Just eight days after Uvalde, Michael Lewis killed four people at a hospital in Tulsa before shooting himself.

Lewis was angry at a black doctor who he thought botched his surgery. All three shooters used AR15-style rifles, but Smith, at the hospital, also used a pistol.

The heat is on to ban so-called assault rifles and high-capacity magazines, make weapons harder to get, and pass laws to take guns away from crazy people. This happens whenever there is a big-news shootings, and no doubt about it: A massacre of elementary-school children is especially terrible, heart-rending. But why do so many places ban guns from schools and hospitals? The good people will leave their guns in their cars, and mass killers know there will be no return fire. The Buffalo killer chose New York for his massacre because it has strict gun control. He knew his victims would be unarmed.

But after the Tulsa hospital shooting, Mr. Biden got back on television to whoop up gun control. “How much more carnage are we willing to accept?” he wanted to know.

The country actually accepts a lot of carnage without thinking very much about it. Massacres with rifles get huge coverage, but they are very rare. If Mr. Biden and his pals looked at the data – which they never do – they would understand that the murder problem is not AR-15s. It’s not really even firearms. It’s black men.

The three high-profile mass shootings took place over 19-days, and produced 37 dead and 21 wounded, for a total of 58 casualties. Do you know how many *other* mass shootings – that’s when at least four people stop a bullet – there were during those 19 days? Wikipedia keeps track of them.

There were 38 other mass shootings you never heard about. They left 41 dead and 164 wounded, for a total of 205 casualties. These practically unknown mass shootings killed more people and wounded eight times as many people as the three Mr. Biden was excited about.

 

[Wormy]

The police are under ZERO obligation to protect anyone other than prison inmates (Warren vs DC, look it up). They don't even have to enforce a restraining order (Castlerock vs Gonzales) .

You are on your own when it comes to your self defense. Those cases are why I continue to support gun ownership by law abiding citizens.

 

[Narcotics]

Guns will find themselves in the hands of criminals no matter how many laws you put to stop it, you'll just leave law abiding civilians with no real way to defend their families, their properties, and themselves from scum who seek to harm them.
>but you don't need guns when the police/military is there to protect the public
lol
Yesterday, here, a small town was attacked by a huge group of narcs who wanted to take back control of the site, the military and the police did 0 to defend the place during the attack, these pieces of shit were allowed to terrorize civs for hours.

The government is not your friend, the police has 0 obligation to protect you, the military won't do shit because they only operate under the government's orders, who remember, don't care about you.
The common citizen here is forbidden to be armed outside of their own homes, so god forbid if you come across a situation where you have to defend yourself when shit goes down for real.