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Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering? How can a 16-year-old girl in plaits, who has dedicated herself to the not-exactly sinister, authoritarian plot of trying to save the planet from extinction, inspire such incandescent rage?

Last week, she tweeted that she had arrived into New York after her two week transatlantic voyage: “Finally here. Thank you everyone who came to see me off in Plymouth, and everyone who welcomed me in New York! Now I’m going to rest for a few days, and on Friday I’m going to participate in the strike outside the UN”, before promptly giving a press conference in English. Yes, her second language.

Her remarks were immediately greeted with a barrage of jibes about virtue signalling, and snide remarks about the three crew members who will have to fly out to take the yacht home.

This shouldn’t need to be spelled out, but as some people don’t seem to have grasped it yet, we’ll give it a lash: Thunberg’s trip was an act of protest, not a sacred commandment or an instruction manual for the rest of us. Like all acts of protest, it was designed to be symbolic and provocative. For those who missed the point – and oh, how they missed the point – she retweeted someone else’s “friendly reminder” that: “You don’t need to spend two weeks on a boat to do your part to avert our climate emergency. You just need to do everything you can, with everyone you can, to change everything you can.”

Part of the reason she inspires such rage, of course, is blindingly obvious. Climate change is terrifying. The Amazon is burning. So too is the Savannah. Parts of the Arctic are on fire. Sea levels are rising. There are more vicious storms and wildfires and droughts and floods. Denial is easier than confronting the terrifying truth.

Then there’s the fact that we don’t like being made to feel bad about our life choices. That’s human nature. It’s why we sneer at vegans. It’s why we’re suspicious of sober people at parties. And if anything is likely to make you feel bad about your life choices -- as you jet back home after your third Ryanair European minibreak this season – it’ll be the sight of small-boned child subjecting herself to a fortnight being tossed about on the Atlantic, with only a bucket bearing a “Poo Only Please” sign by way of luxury, in order to make a point about climate change.

But that’s not virtue signalling, which anyone can indulge in. As Meghan Markle, Prince Harry, and their-four-private-jets-in-11-days found recently, virtue practising is a lot harder.

Even for someone who spends a lot of time on Twitter, some of the criticism levelled at Thunberg is astonishing. It is, simultaneously, the most vicious and the most fatuous kind of playground bullying. The Australian conservative climate change denier Andrew Bolt called her “deeply disturbed” and “freakishly influential” (the use of “freakish”, we can assume, was not incidental.) The former UKIP funder, Arron Banks, tweeted “Freaking yacht accidents do happen in August” (as above.) Brendan O’Neill of Spiked called her a “millenarian weirdo” (nope, still not incidental) in a piece that referred nastily to her “monotone voice” and “the look of apocalyptic dread in her eyes”.

But who’s the real freak – the activist whose determination has single-handedly started a powerful global movement for change, or the middle-aged man taunting a child with Asperger syndrome from behind the safety of their computer screens?

And that, of course, is the real reason why Greta Thunberg is so triggering. They can’t admit it even to themselves, so they ridicule her instead. But the truth is that they’re afraid of her. The poor dears are terrified of her as an individual, and of what she stands for – youth, determination, change.

She is part of a generation who won’t be cowed. She isn’t about to be shamed into submission by trolls. That’s not actually a look of apocalyptic dread in her eyes. It’s a look that says “you’re not relevant”.

The reason they taunt her with childish insults is because that’s all they’ve got. They’re out of ideas. They can’t dismantle her arguments, because she has science – and David Attenborough – on her side. They can’t win the debate with the persuasive force of their arguments, because these bargain bin cranks trade in jaded cynicism, not youthful passion. They can harangue her with snide tweets and hot take blogposts, but they won’t get a reaction because, frankly, she has bigger worries on her mind.

That’s not to say that we should accept everything Thunberg says without question. She is an idealist who is young enough to see the world in black and white. We need voices like hers. We should listen to what she has to say, without tuning the more moderate voices of dissent out.

Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering? Because of what she represents. In an age when democracy is under assault, she hints at the emergency of new kind of power, a convergence of youth, popular protest and irrefutable science. And for her loudest detractors, she also represents something else: the sight of their impending obsolescence hurtling towards them.

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ANONYMOUS
Anonymous Message To Greta Thunberg
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By
David Cohen
Published on October 1, 2019
https://www.anonews.co/anonymous-message-to-greta-thunberg/#

Greetings. This is a message to Greta Thunberg, from Anonymous.
We understand and sympathize with your concerns about the environment, and agree that the blame lies with many of the world’s most powerful corporations. However, you may want to be careful that you are not led astray by people who are a part of the problem, and it appears that this may be happening. Many of the powerful politicians that you met with and took photographs with, are deeply involved with many of the industries you speak out against.
Many of the policies that you are advocating for are also misguided, despite their seemingly good intentions. For example, heavy carbon taxes will not have much of an effect on the fossil fuel industry, aside from making their cost of doing business a little bit higher. The large corporations that are destroying the planet have teams of lawyers on standby for any accusations that are brought against them, and they have money budgeted specifically for dealing with all of the fines that they intend to violate.
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Fines, taxes, and regulations rarely actually cause corporations to do business any differently, but these policies usually do end up hurting average individuals who were never even the intended targets of the policies to begin with. This is because the average person does not have teams of lawyers or money ready for fines.

In the case of carbon taxes, the average person driving their car will be the person who ends up paying the real cost, and it is highly possible that the corporations could make even more money under a model like this. It is also important to consider that just throwing money at a problem is not a feasible solution, especially for something like this. If billions of dollars are funneled into government coffers as the result of some type of “Green New Deal,” what happens next? There doesn’t seem to be any plan for what actually happens to the money, and when plans are actually offered, they typically fall short.
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For example, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, who you recently met with, announced a plan to use money from oil pipelines to plant trees. This does not seem like much of a solution, as many of the native tribes in Canada, who are not very fond of Trudeau’s government, will still be forced off of their land, which they are taking good care of, to make room for dangerous pipelines that are prone to spilling. This type of solution is not much different than the carbon tax idea, it is a small, and likely counterproductive measure that won’t actually address the problems with how humans generate and consume energy, but instead, will just shift around more money through the hands of the ruling class.
It is also important to mention that the environmental impact of war has been entirely left out of many of the recent climate change discussions. The military agencies of the world are responsible for the vast majority of the pollution on the planet, the United States government and their western allies, along with Russia and China, take a large share of the blame for this pollution.

The people who are destroying the planet have names and addresses and they are on the news every single day, but they are never held accountable. In the rare cases where they are held accountable, they usually receive a fine that seems like a large number to the rest of us, but is merely a small percentage of their net worth, so the penalties amount to nothing more than a slap on the wrist.
Protecting the environment is important, but it is also important not to let people who are a part of the problem be in control of the solutions, because we run the risk of allowing them to make everything worse. If you truly do care about the future of the planet, be extremely careful of the people around you, and analyze their solutions very carefully, because you are currently surrounded by some very dangerous people who do not have the best interest of the planet in mind.
We are Anonymous!
We are Legion!
We do not forgive!
We do not forget!
Expect us.

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:story: Ah..... I don't know if you niggas are still relevant but O.K.
 
Two recent articles about Greta in Börk (google translated to potato English because I'm lazy)

In 2016, Greta and her parents wanted to make a TV series about how Greta had changed their minds on climate change but SVT [the national public television broadcaster in Sweden] turned them down. https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/klimat/svt-nobbade-tv-serie-om-greta-thunberg/
SVT turned down TV series about Greta Thunberg

Greta Thunberg and her parents wanted to do a TV series about how Greta forced her mother and father to think about the climate issue.
The woman behind the success "History Eaters" - Karin af Klintberg offered to produce, but SVT declined.
- With the facts in hand, it is of course snowy that we did not catch this, says Eva Beckman, program commissioner for culture, facts, events and religion at SVT.

Big Journalist Award winner Karin af Klintberg, who also produced a successful Christmas calendar "A thousand years for Christmas Eve" and "Bye Bye Sweden" with Lotta Lundgren and Erik Haag, says that it was the artist Malena Ernman who first contacted Karin.
- She had a really good idea of how her daughter triggered her to think about and how Malena became the involuntary environmental fighter who stopped flying, had to change her career choice and make a lot of changes at home, says Karin af Klintberg.
This was spring 2016 and Malena Ernman had seriously begun to get involved in climate issues, but Greta Thunberg was not yet the global influencer she is today.
- Malena and the Thunberg family had a great program proposal that I worked on. We envisioned six to eight half-hour episodes where you could follow Greta and her environmental commitment. At this time, she walked the streets and self-patched cars that had excessive emissions, so it was at the grassroots level, explains Karin af Klintberg.

The producer and Greta's family had long-running plans
In Expressen and in the book "Scenes from the Heart" Greta Thunberg has herself told about her various functional variations Aspergers, obsessive-compulsive disorder and selective mutism (which means that she only talks sometimes) and about her previous depression and Karin af Klintberg discussed with her parents how to practically could film because Greta did not like being with strangers at this time.
- We planned, among other things, that Greta would film herself with mobile to minimize the need for her to have photographers and me, but Malena explained that Greta would be able to be filmed for the important thing. And now when you see Greta in public you notice that she is moving like a queen, says Karin af Klintberg.
She continues:
- I think it had become a great series and it could have been sold internationally as well. Many people are curious about who Greta is and how it all began. And it could have been broadcast just before Greta started his school strike last fall.
However, the project received no from SVT.
- We were told that another environmental program was underway. In retrospect, of course, it is sad that this happened. We were first on the ball in spring 2016. But I'm not in any way angry about this. It could have been an important program series on how two generations should come together in the climate issue, but I have been denied on other program ideas in the past as well and sometimes perhaps with all right. Some times it will be no. SVT has lots of suggestions to make, Karin af Klintberg says.
SVT client: "Legal"
Eva Beckman, who is a program commissioner for culture, facts, events and religion at SVT, says that at an earlier stage she was met by a completely different proposal.
- Malena Ernman, Svante Thunberg and Stefan Sundström met me because they wanted to do a program on how to live more climate smart. It was a fairly undeveloped idea and we already had a similar project going on with other people.
Eva Beckman develops the reasoning:
- I know that Karin af Klintberg later told us that Malena Ernman had an enterprising daughter who was climate-engaged and knowledgeable, but Greta was by this point completely unknown. Only when I saw pictures of Greta sitting with her sign outside Parliament last autumn did I realize that it must be Malena's daughter. Then I thought "how stupid that we refused", but it was not at all a proposal for eight sections on Greta's path to climate activist presented to me.

How does it feel to say no to Greta Thunberg?
- Now, of course, I think it's legal. We at SVT would have liked to have had a program series about Greta before she became Greta with the whole world, ”says Eva Beckman.
The Thunberg-Ernman family comments on the rejection in their book "Scenes from the Heart":
“Of course, we know how difficult SVT is when it comes to programs about the climate. // We have tried to sell different program ideas ourselves, but not even backed by Sweden's most renowned and successful TV producer, there has been no interest. "
However, Karin af Klintberg has not completely given up hope:
- I would definitely still like to do a program with Greta, but I do not know if it is possible now, she says.
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Once again, money and attention are totally not a motivating factor for Greta's parents. Implying otherwise makes you a climate change denying fascist.

Greta says she misses home more and more and thinks it's anger inducing how "haters" are sending death threats to her family and her little sister in particular (which it is) https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/e80MgO/greta-thunberg-hatarna-gar-pa-aven-min-syster
Greta Thunberg: The haters harass my sister too

A teacher in Iowa has been suspended for writing about sniper rifles in connection with yesterday's school strike.

In an interview with Expressen, Greta Thunberg says that hatred also affects her sister - and that a certain homesickness begins to emerge.

- It's a pain that one's sister is feeling bad. And I actually miss school, Greta Thunberg tells the magazine.

It has been two months since Greta Thunberg made her last climate strike at Mynttorget to fight her way across the Atlantic instead.

Since 16-year-old Thunberg sailed to the United States, she has educated politicians during the UN Climate Summit, supported Putin and Trump, and gathered more than ever in her fight for the climate. Greta Thunberg is now the gaming companies' favorite to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

Greta: "They go to my sister"

The aim is now set for the COP25 climate conference in Chilean Santiago in early December. At the same time, she lacks "everything" with Sweden, says Greta Thunberg in an interview with Expressen in Iowa City.

- All the people there. My family. My sister, who is having a lot of trouble right now. All these haters are not just on me but on her. It's a pain that one's sister is feeling bad. And I actually miss school, Greta Thunberg tells the magazine.

In the book "Scenes from the Heart", Malena Ernman and Svante Thunberg have written about the struggle within the school and psychiatry to give their daughters Greta and Beata the best possible help and support through life. And how the daughters' climate commitment became a way forward. Greta Thunberg has been diagnosed with Aspergers, high-functioning autism and OCD, obsessive-compulsive disorder. The little sister Beata has the diagnoses adhd, with features of Asperger's and defiant syndrome.

Teacher wrote threateningly about rifles

Although Greta Thunberg gets a lot of love and appreciation for her climate fight, hatred has grown at the same rate.

During Friday's climate strike, Greta Thunberg in the US state of Iowa. There, high school teacher Matt Baish has been suspended for a comment on social media that he would not go on the climate strike, as he did not bring his "sniper rifle", his sniper rifle, writes Time.

At home in Sweden, a 39-year-old man has been charged with sending handwritten death threats to Greta Thunberg and Malena Ernman.

“They give up on me, my appearance, my clothes, my behavior and my deviations. They come up with all imaginable lies and conspiracy theories, ”Greta Thunberg recently wrote on Twitter about the hate and threats.

About the criticism: "A compliment"

About the critical reactions of Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, Greta Thunberg says it is both a compliment and something negative.

- In a way, it's very fun to be in such a situation. And of course, some may say that it is something negative that they are trying to silence us and try to make us stop. But we should take it as a compliment that they see this as such a big threat and that means we have made a difference. If anything, this is proof that something has been achieved, says Greta Thunberg to Expressen.
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heathercho said:
:story: Ah..... I don't know if you niggas are still relevant but O.K.
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This is the problem with activism. Every time someone gets famous and starts spewing their (allegedly) opinions, everybody has to stick their fingers in the pie to make sure it comes out the way they want it to.

Wait, that came out wrong.

Let's just say too many cooks spoil the broth.
 
ATaxingWoman said:
Once again, money and attention are totally not a motivating factor for Greta's parents. Implying otherwise makes you a climate change denying fascist.
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They have will smith syndrome.
they are both famous and little Greta has to be famous too! problem is, she has no talents and alot of tism. they couldnt go the childsex musicvideo route smith went for because the tism was to strong, so they had to come up with something else.
 
Ahriman said:
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On the cover of British GQ.
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Jesus, does she emote anything else other than dead-eyed scowling? It's like she's wearing a mask, it's fucking sad. Teenagers her age should be sneaking into R-rated movies, hanging out with friends after school, and maybe try out that so-called weed.

I can't imagine how isolated and overwhelmed she's feeling, I'd be a nervous wreck knowing the whole world is watching me...
 
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How DARE she and her handlers pull that shit?

Within a day of her speech, all the woke people on social media started tearing her down to prop up POC activists.
 
Dr W said:
since there have been some very excellently performed smear campaigns against nuclear power's reputation.
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Lately it’s “well actually nuclear power costs MORE than anything else when you include subsidies and...” which has me really skeptical but I’m too lazy to read the sources.

I’m just going to assume nuclear is better because we don’t need to build an entirely new and upgraded electricity grid for it or mine rare minerals from third world nations in huge quantities. Maybe I’m wrong but it seems more environmentally friendly.
 
Charls did nothing wrong said:
Lately it’s “well actually nuclear power costs MORE than anything else when you include subsidies and...” which has me really skeptical but I’m too lazy to read the sources.

I’m just going to assume nuclear is better because we don’t need to build an entirely new and upgraded electricity grid for it or mine rare minerals from third world nations in huge quantities. Maybe I’m wrong but it seems more environmentally friendly.
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That, it produces very little CO2 (that's steam coming out the towers), it actually produces a lot of energy, it's continuous and it can lead the way into fusion power.
 
CWCissey said:
That, it produces very little CO2 (that's steam coming out the towers), it actually produces a lot of energy, it's continuous and it can lead the way into fusion power.
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The biggest advantage nuclear has is that it's continuous without dependence on geography. Hydroelectric and geothermal are continuous but require certain geography, and wind and solar are fucked in that they are both not continuous and need certain geography and weather.
 
Dr W said:
The biggest advantage nuclear has is that it's continuous without dependence on geography. Hydroelectric and geothermal are continuous but require certain geography, and wind and solar are fucked in that they are both not continuous and need certain geography and weather.
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People are still scared shitless about them.
 
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