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Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering? How can a 16-year-old girl in plaits, who has dedicated herself to the not-exactly sinister, authoritarian plot of trying to save the planet from extinction, inspire such incandescent rage?

Last week, she tweeted that she had arrived into New York after her two week transatlantic voyage: “Finally here. Thank you everyone who came to see me off in Plymouth, and everyone who welcomed me in New York! Now I’m going to rest for a few days, and on Friday I’m going to participate in the strike outside the UN”, before promptly giving a press conference in English. Yes, her second language.

Her remarks were immediately greeted with a barrage of jibes about virtue signalling, and snide remarks about the three crew members who will have to fly out to take the yacht home.

This shouldn’t need to be spelled out, but as some people don’t seem to have grasped it yet, we’ll give it a lash: Thunberg’s trip was an act of protest, not a sacred commandment or an instruction manual for the rest of us. Like all acts of protest, it was designed to be symbolic and provocative. For those who missed the point – and oh, how they missed the point – she retweeted someone else’s “friendly reminder” that: “You don’t need to spend two weeks on a boat to do your part to avert our climate emergency. You just need to do everything you can, with everyone you can, to change everything you can.”

Part of the reason she inspires such rage, of course, is blindingly obvious. Climate change is terrifying. The Amazon is burning. So too is the Savannah. Parts of the Arctic are on fire. Sea levels are rising. There are more vicious storms and wildfires and droughts and floods. Denial is easier than confronting the terrifying truth.

Then there’s the fact that we don’t like being made to feel bad about our life choices. That’s human nature. It’s why we sneer at vegans. It’s why we’re suspicious of sober people at parties. And if anything is likely to make you feel bad about your life choices -- as you jet back home after your third Ryanair European minibreak this season – it’ll be the sight of small-boned child subjecting herself to a fortnight being tossed about on the Atlantic, with only a bucket bearing a “Poo Only Please” sign by way of luxury, in order to make a point about climate change.

But that’s not virtue signalling, which anyone can indulge in. As Meghan Markle, Prince Harry, and their-four-private-jets-in-11-days found recently, virtue practising is a lot harder.

Even for someone who spends a lot of time on Twitter, some of the criticism levelled at Thunberg is astonishing. It is, simultaneously, the most vicious and the most fatuous kind of playground bullying. The Australian conservative climate change denier Andrew Bolt called her “deeply disturbed” and “freakishly influential” (the use of “freakish”, we can assume, was not incidental.) The former UKIP funder, Arron Banks, tweeted “Freaking yacht accidents do happen in August” (as above.) Brendan O’Neill of Spiked called her a “millenarian weirdo” (nope, still not incidental) in a piece that referred nastily to her “monotone voice” and “the look of apocalyptic dread in her eyes”.

But who’s the real freak – the activist whose determination has single-handedly started a powerful global movement for change, or the middle-aged man taunting a child with Asperger syndrome from behind the safety of their computer screens?

And that, of course, is the real reason why Greta Thunberg is so triggering. They can’t admit it even to themselves, so they ridicule her instead. But the truth is that they’re afraid of her. The poor dears are terrified of her as an individual, and of what she stands for – youth, determination, change.

She is part of a generation who won’t be cowed. She isn’t about to be shamed into submission by trolls. That’s not actually a look of apocalyptic dread in her eyes. It’s a look that says “you’re not relevant”.

The reason they taunt her with childish insults is because that’s all they’ve got. They’re out of ideas. They can’t dismantle her arguments, because she has science – and David Attenborough – on her side. They can’t win the debate with the persuasive force of their arguments, because these bargain bin cranks trade in jaded cynicism, not youthful passion. They can harangue her with snide tweets and hot take blogposts, but they won’t get a reaction because, frankly, she has bigger worries on her mind.

That’s not to say that we should accept everything Thunberg says without question. She is an idealist who is young enough to see the world in black and white. We need voices like hers. We should listen to what she has to say, without tuning the more moderate voices of dissent out.

Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering? Because of what she represents. In an age when democracy is under assault, she hints at the emergency of new kind of power, a convergence of youth, popular protest and irrefutable science. And for her loudest detractors, she also represents something else: the sight of their impending obsolescence hurtling towards them.

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Found this thought-provoking indeed.
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Dr W said:
Yes, since they don't understand the actual risks and rewards of nuclear power, or the drawbacks of solar or wind, in general.
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I always find it kinda amazing that these wind/solar/hydro only people never acknowledge the problems their "eco" methods cause.
Hydro destroys the aquatic ecosystem, solar has a shelflife of nothing and wind disturbs the local eco system with it's vibrations and sound not to mention birds flying into the blades.
It's not even that they just chalk it up to least harm, they outright think it is only positive.
 
Plus all the fringe benefits of nuclear energy like process heat which is useful for a lot of industries..
Abundant energy opens up so many options.. Desalination of water to increase agricultural output... production of ammonia for fertilizers and alternative liquid fuels.. the benefits are basically endless.. Economic and environmental.
 
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Recoil said:
wtf I love nuclear power now
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but Greta does not.. and that's why she's a fraud.. even though her home country gets around 30% of it's energy from nuclear and the rest from hydro.. and nuclear is the only one of those two that can be easily scaled up.. unless they can find more valleys to drown with dams..
 
We've had the technology to produce all the emissions free power we need to run a modern society for DECADES..

Meanwhile the people who do everything they can to suppress that technology and claim climate change is an "emergency" unironically cheer when Greta makes statements like

""For more than 30 years, the science has been crystal clear. How dare you continue to look away and come here saying that you're doing enough, when the politics and solutions needed are still nowhere in sight."

Yeah because you won't shut the fuck up and get out of the way..

"They also rely on my generation sucking hundreds of billions of tons of your CO2 out of the air with technologies that barely exist."

The solution has been there since the 50's.... they just don't care enough to see the problem solved on anything other than their own terms..

Controlling used nuclear fuel is much easier than controlling climate change.

What a farce.
 
NeoGAF Lurker said:
Most people I know in Burgerland despise her, if they even know who she is. It’s so astroturfed that it feels insulting that you have to pretend to take it seriously. The billionaire (((elite))) who bankroll this thing are doing way more damage than they think.
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Be prepared for some astroturfing today through Tuesday. Today, Greta will be at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation and she’ll be at Standing Rock Indian Reservation on Tuesday. Greta just happened to meet Tokata Iron Eyes, the daughter of Chase Iron Eyes. Chase ran for Congress in North Dakota in 2016 and was heavily involved in the Standing Rock protests.

Below is from Facebook:

"This Sunday Greta Thunberg will join Red Cloud Indian School student and activist Tokatawin Iron Eyes for a youth climate crisis panel. The two will discuss environmental priorities in Indian Country, including plans by Energy Transfer Partners to double capacity of the Dakota Access Pipeline at Standing Rock and the Keystone XL pipeline. This event is open to the media and public."

From a press release:

"I’m excited to share with you that my friend, Greta Thunberg, is joining me for three events over the next three days in Lakota Country. More on that in a minute, but first, let me introduce myself. I’m Tokata Iron Eyes, daughter of Chase Iron Eyes, whom you have heard from many times in the past.

My father’s work on behalf of Native justice and environmental concerns is also my work. I will add that, as a young woman of color, I focus much of my energy on the issues of Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and the climate crisis, as they are particularly close to my heart. I may be a high school junior, but I have already traveled the world and made many appearances to speak on these critical topics, including at January’s Women’s March in Washington, D.C.

I met Greta on a later trip to the capital. We were both in town to speak at an Amnesty International event. Being both the same age and vocal climate warriors, we quickly found that we have much in common, even though our backgrounds may look different.

As you likely know, Greta comes from Sweden, where, at 15, she began protesting a lack of climate action in Parliament. From there, she quickly rose to worldwide prominence, organizing school climate strikes, giving a TED Talk, and appearing on the cover of Time magazine.

I felt it was important to invite her to come see my homelands, and I’m so happy she accepted my invitation. We’ll be speaking on my home campus of Red Cloud Indian School tomorrow at 5 p.m. MST, then hosting an event in Rapid City on Monday before heading to Standing Rock, where I spent most of my earlier years, on Tuesday at 10 a.m. CST.

Together, we want to share our mutual inspiration to take action on the climate with more kids — and with adults, too. Our struggles here against the Dakota Access and Keystone XL pipelines are the tip of the spear in a global effort to move away from fossil fuels and begin living more conscious lives together, in harmony with our Grandmother Earth.

I can’t wait to share more with you later in the week. In the meantime, you can catch a video stream of our talk at Red Cloud at the Lakota People’s Law Project Facebook page. Stay tuned!

Pilamaya — I appreciate your solidarity with our struggle!"

Tokata Iron Eyes The Lakota People's Law Project
 

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Radioactive Man said:
Plus all the fringe benefits of nuclear energy like process heat which is useful for a lot of industries..
Abundant energy opens up so many options.. Desalination of water to increase agricultural output... production of ammonia for fertilizers and alternative liquid fuels.. the benefits are basically endless.. Economic and environmental.
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Stop it with your scientific facts! Don't you know that nuclear power will lead to a mushroom holocaust? Greenpeace ads and environmenazis told me so.

Honestly though, I've said it elsewhere, controlled fission is the best we have. Fusion might work in the distant future but nuclear is the way to go.

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I can care less, but isn't this wasting food? Also bananas are pretty radioactive, it will cause a mushroom right?
 
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Spicy Tacos said:
Be prepared for some astroturfing today through Tuesday. Today, Greta will be at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation and she’ll be at Standing Rock Indian Reservation on Tuesday. Greta just happened to meet Tokata Iron Eyes, the daughter of Chase Iron Eyes. Chase ran for Congress in North Dakota in 2016 and was heavily involved in the Standing Rock protests.
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Was Standing rock about taxes on booze?
 
Coldgrip said:
Any relation to Iron Eyes Cody?
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No, but he gets triggered when individuals post memes of Iron Eyes Cody on his posts.

Stoneheart said:
Was Standing rock about taxes on booze?
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I wish.

It was allegedly about a pipeline going over ancient native burial grounds, going through the reservation, and that the pipeline was going to contaminate the reservation water.

Court documents showed that there was no native burial ground where they alleged. There were a few times artifacts magically appeared on ground that had already been surveyed. This ground was above an existing pipeline that was built in the 1960s or 1970’s.

By following that existing pipeline, the new pipeline didn’t need to go through the Standing Rock Reservation. This upset certain leaders because they were hoping to force the pipeline company to pay them a $20 million fee.

They had a huge wave of protests, had an encampment on Standing Rock, damaged pipeline equipment, held riots, and then went to Trump’s inauguration to try to cause problems. It was mostly white progressives causing problems.

Ironically, the pipeline is safer than transporting oil by rail, and uses less carbon too. You would think Greta would support that.

Also, I assume the second topic about missing and murdered native women is a call out to the First Nations in Canada. (Trudeau is trying to get their votes.) I would not be surprised if Greta goes to western or central Canada next.

Update: “They” are blaming fossil fuel companies for the missing and murdered indigenous women.

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AltisticRight said:
Stop it with your scientific facts! Don't you know that nuclear power will lead to a mushroom holocaust? Greenpeace ads and environmenazis told me so.

Honestly though, I've said it elsewhere, controlled fission is the best we have. Fusion might work in the distant future but nuclear is the way to go.

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I can care less, but isn't this wasting food? Also bananas are pretty radioactive, it will cause a mushroom right?
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My only problem with environmental hypocrisy is when the environmentalist in question refuses to acknowledge it. Like its really really hard for a being that sustains itself on other lifeforms to not have a carbon footprint.
 
AlexJonesGotMePregnant said:
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Greta bringing in kids suffering from Flint's problems would be a little too close to "Oh this is something that is an actual, real problem that we could actually fix"; her handlers can't let her near any problems with solutions that involve putting democrats in jail. Hell, think of how much racism they'd scream then- isn't nearly everyone responsible for Flint's issues black?
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The average nigger on city council gives little or no thought about infrastructure, it’s all about the grift or grievance politics. Since they don’t pay attention to infrastructure, it inevitably decays and you have crises in Flint. Usually wypipo at the state and federal level are responsible for infrastructure, maybe private interests if city council niggers are able to wet their beaks from it.
 
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