Science Greta Thunberg Megathread - Dax Herrera says he wouldn't have a day ago (I somewhat doubt that)

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Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering? How can a 16-year-old girl in plaits, who has dedicated herself to the not-exactly sinister, authoritarian plot of trying to save the planet from extinction, inspire such incandescent rage?

Last week, she tweeted that she had arrived into New York after her two week transatlantic voyage: “Finally here. Thank you everyone who came to see me off in Plymouth, and everyone who welcomed me in New York! Now I’m going to rest for a few days, and on Friday I’m going to participate in the strike outside the UN”, before promptly giving a press conference in English. Yes, her second language.

Her remarks were immediately greeted with a barrage of jibes about virtue signalling, and snide remarks about the three crew members who will have to fly out to take the yacht home.

This shouldn’t need to be spelled out, but as some people don’t seem to have grasped it yet, we’ll give it a lash: Thunberg’s trip was an act of protest, not a sacred commandment or an instruction manual for the rest of us. Like all acts of protest, it was designed to be symbolic and provocative. For those who missed the point – and oh, how they missed the point – she retweeted someone else’s “friendly reminder” that: “You don’t need to spend two weeks on a boat to do your part to avert our climate emergency. You just need to do everything you can, with everyone you can, to change everything you can.”

Part of the reason she inspires such rage, of course, is blindingly obvious. Climate change is terrifying. The Amazon is burning. So too is the Savannah. Parts of the Arctic are on fire. Sea levels are rising. There are more vicious storms and wildfires and droughts and floods. Denial is easier than confronting the terrifying truth.

Then there’s the fact that we don’t like being made to feel bad about our life choices. That’s human nature. It’s why we sneer at vegans. It’s why we’re suspicious of sober people at parties. And if anything is likely to make you feel bad about your life choices -- as you jet back home after your third Ryanair European minibreak this season – it’ll be the sight of small-boned child subjecting herself to a fortnight being tossed about on the Atlantic, with only a bucket bearing a “Poo Only Please” sign by way of luxury, in order to make a point about climate change.

But that’s not virtue signalling, which anyone can indulge in. As Meghan Markle, Prince Harry, and their-four-private-jets-in-11-days found recently, virtue practising is a lot harder.

Even for someone who spends a lot of time on Twitter, some of the criticism levelled at Thunberg is astonishing. It is, simultaneously, the most vicious and the most fatuous kind of playground bullying. The Australian conservative climate change denier Andrew Bolt called her “deeply disturbed” and “freakishly influential” (the use of “freakish”, we can assume, was not incidental.) The former UKIP funder, Arron Banks, tweeted “Freaking yacht accidents do happen in August” (as above.) Brendan O’Neill of Spiked called her a “millenarian weirdo” (nope, still not incidental) in a piece that referred nastily to her “monotone voice” and “the look of apocalyptic dread in her eyes”.

But who’s the real freak – the activist whose determination has single-handedly started a powerful global movement for change, or the middle-aged man taunting a child with Asperger syndrome from behind the safety of their computer screens?

And that, of course, is the real reason why Greta Thunberg is so triggering. They can’t admit it even to themselves, so they ridicule her instead. But the truth is that they’re afraid of her. The poor dears are terrified of her as an individual, and of what she stands for – youth, determination, change.

She is part of a generation who won’t be cowed. She isn’t about to be shamed into submission by trolls. That’s not actually a look of apocalyptic dread in her eyes. It’s a look that says “you’re not relevant”.

The reason they taunt her with childish insults is because that’s all they’ve got. They’re out of ideas. They can’t dismantle her arguments, because she has science – and David Attenborough – on her side. They can’t win the debate with the persuasive force of their arguments, because these bargain bin cranks trade in jaded cynicism, not youthful passion. They can harangue her with snide tweets and hot take blogposts, but they won’t get a reaction because, frankly, she has bigger worries on her mind.

That’s not to say that we should accept everything Thunberg says without question. She is an idealist who is young enough to see the world in black and white. We need voices like hers. We should listen to what she has to say, without tuning the more moderate voices of dissent out.

Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering? Because of what she represents. In an age when democracy is under assault, she hints at the emergency of new kind of power, a convergence of youth, popular protest and irrefutable science. And for her loudest detractors, she also represents something else: the sight of their impending obsolescence hurtling towards them.

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Found this thought-provoking indeed.
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You bastards should be ashamed of yourself mocking a 16 year old SHIYLD
who has severe Downs Syndrome.
Her shiyldhood has already been ruined so she does not need you fascists mocking her for being a spastic.
Its not her fault she was born with mongoloid.
SO LEAVE HER THE FUCK ALONE!!!
 
Alec Benson Leary said:
Oh, of course. But that only serves my point - every source of power has historical blood on its hands. So let's stick with the most polluting one that will supposedly sink the rich islands we're buying beachfront property on. Somehow that makes sense to the progressive mind
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Carbon taxes will lead to a MASSIVE money profit once they are fully instituted
 
Kacho said:
Trump would be an idiot not to respond to this new nuclear panic by having Perry pursue nuclear aggressively and use it against the Democrats next year.
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Unog said:
Trump pushing nuclear hard, and bringing it to light as a topic of national discussion would be a godsend. Hell, a lot of the stuff I know about nuclear I read off of the farms, the average joe (me before I read about it here months ago) still thinks nuclear reactors are at around where they were at in the 70's.

It really is just a lack of public awareness about how much better the tech has gotten.
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He won't. His exact words on Uranium were "used to make nuclear weapons and other bad things."
He's a big proponent of coal and oil since he's a Boomer who doesn't give a shit about tech. In fact, I haven't heard a word about nuclear power from any mainline politician.

I just want nuclear power plants in every state. The geopolitical, environmental, and electrical benefits would be insane. Then we can start to work on ensuring that the USA survives the actual shit that the Chinese and Indians are pumping into the atmosphere and use our new moral high ground to slap sanctions on those countries, forcing their exploitative slave economies under.


But that won't fucking happen. It's too profitable to keep the status quo.
 
now i may just be slow and these groups have been around for some time, but from the moment this kid went up and spoke her shit, its like someone flipped a switch and an army of cultists just materialised into reality.

you'd think alot of these people would have concerns for their immediate surroundings given how many of these groups come from Europe or the UK and the problems those countries and regions are facing with the migrant crisis, it seems they want to avoid it all together and yet give themselves to this.
 
Imperialist #348 said:
now i may just be slow and these groups have been around for some time, but from the moment this kid went up and spoke her shit, its like someone flipped a switch and an army of cultists just materialised into reality.

you'd think alot of these people would have concerns for their immediate surroundings given how many of these groups come from Europe or the UK and the problems those countries and regions are facing with the migrant crisis, it seems they want to avoid it all together and yet give themselves to this.
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To an extent, they may do. Tensions are high in society as a whole, but especially in Europe. People instinctively want to act out against that but the usual routes they might take are increasingly blocked behind disproportionate punishment, so the tension has built without release.

I think this is the psychosocial equivalent of condensate seeding, where a whole morass of existential angst is floating around as a sort of mental vapour in a critical state, which suddenly precipitates out when a focus point is introduced. You can see this sort of effect every time there's rising social tension in a society. In this case it's a stupid twitching tard.

Whether it's an accident of history, or whether it's planned as a way to drain that social tension into ineffectual behaviours over imaginary problems, is a question that will be ever asked and probably never answered.
 
Syaoran Li said:
Ugh, now the Left's getting the indigenous people they fetishize so much to make Greta a Native. This has to be leftist Astroturfing at its most blatant and insulting. How much did Greta's handlers pay the tribal leaders at Standing Rock?

Shit like this is why I'm going to be partying for Columbus Day this year with a little get together. It's mostly going to be me and two of my friends who have the day off going out in the woods to get hammered and listen to classic rock and metal, but still.

I've had enough of leftists fetishizing Natives as "poor oppressed indigenous POC's uwu" and demonizing Whites as "evil white supremacist colonial settler imperialists"

It's all just Victorian-era "Noble Savage" nonsense repackaged to appeal to woke Millennial college punks and I'm tired of it all.

I just want a break from all this nonsense.



Weird. Usually it's the Protestants who would famously do dumb shit like this, but the heyday of the fundamentalists are a fading memory nowadays.

The new fundamentalist movement that's constantly spouting crazy bullshit and trying to ban everything that disagrees with them is now a weird form of communism masquerading as environmentalism and "social justice"
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Theyve been doing this shit for as long as I can remembe. Days without blatant white hate on cable television: 0.
Meanwhile dipshit little greta is convincing impressionable stupid children all around the world that the earth is going to burst into flames unless we all start eating maggots.

Just read that article on samantha smith and I wish the same thing upon greta but much sooner. This little annoying bitch should make like the hartley hooligans and stop breathing.
 
Matthew216 said:
You guys have probably already seen this but I thought it was interesting. Apparently this has all happened before.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/10/the_cold_wars_greta_thunberg.html

EDIT: found something else here. At least she can smile.
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Those parallels are really striking. Nice find.

I suppose at least in Samantha's case it does look like it was a spontaneous thing. She just sent a letter to Soviet leader Yuri Andropov in 1982 congragulating him on his new job (:heart-full:) and asking if he planned to bomb her country to dust:
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The letter was published in Pravda. Andropov responded:
Dear Samantha,

I received your letter, which is like many others that have reached me recently from your country and from other countries around the world.

It seems to me—I can tell by your letter—that you are a courageous and honest girl, resembling Becky, the friend of Tom Sawyer in the famous book of your compatriot Mark Twain. This book is well known and loved in our country by all boys and girls.

You write that you are anxious about whether there will be a nuclear war between our two countries. And you ask are we doing anything so that war will not break out.

Your question is the most important of those that every thinking man can pose. I will reply to you seriously and honestly.

Yes, Samantha, we in the Soviet Union are trying to do everything so that there will not be war on Earth. This is what every Soviet man wants. This is what the great founder of our state, Vladimir Lenin, taught us.

Soviet people well know what a terrible thing war is. Forty-two years ago, Nazi Germany which strove for supremacy over the whole world, attacked our country, burned and destroyed many thousands of our towns and villages, killed millions of Soviet men, women and children.

In that war, which ended with our victory, we were in alliance with the United States: together we fought for the liberation of many people from the Nazi invaders. I hope that you know about this from your history lessons in school. And today we want very much to live in peace, to trade and cooperate with all our neighbors on this earth—with those far away and those near by. And certainly with such a great country as the United States of America.

In America and in our country there are nuclear weapons—terrible weapons that can kill millions of people in an instant. But we do not want them to be ever used. That's precisely why the Soviet Union solemnly declared throughout the entire world that never—never—will it use nuclear weapons first against any country. In general we propose to discontinue further production of them and to proceed to the abolition of all the stockpiles on earth.

It seems to me that this is a sufficient answer to your second question: "Why do you want to wage war against the whole world or at least the United States?" We want nothing of the kind. No one in our country—neither workers, peasants, writers nor doctors, neither grown-ups nor children, nor members of the government—want either a big or "little" war.

We want peace—there is something that we are occupied with: growing wheat, building and inventing, writing books and flying into space. We want peace for ourselves and for all peoples of the planet. For our children and for you, Samantha.

I invite you, if your parents will let you, to come to our country, the best time being this summer. You will find out about our country, meet with your contemporaries, visit an international children's camp—"Artek"—on the sea. And see for yourself: in the Soviet Union, everyone is for peace and friendship among peoples.

Thank you for your letter. I wish you all the best in your young life.

Y. Andropov
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Then from there, the media swooped in like the vultures they are, turned it into a circus, turned her into a messiah figure, and so on. From the Wikipedia article:
Media followed her every step — photographs and articles about her were published by the main Soviet newspapers and magazines throughout her trip and after it. Smith became widely known to Soviet citizens and was well regarded by many of them. In the United States, the event drew suspicion and some regarded it as an "American-style public relations stunt".
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And it was at that point that Samantha said "You know what? I can probably leverage this into a celebrity career." It doesn't seem as premeditated as the Greta Thunberg stuff, I guess is my point. For one, neither of Samantha's parents were actors or affiliated with Hollywood, as far as I can tell.

It didn't end well for Samantha. Her celebrity earned her the attention of a murderous stalker (this guy, who would eventually murder a different actress), but before the stalker could get her she died in a probably-unsuspicious plane crash in 1985 (three years after she sent the letter to Andropov, and when she was only thirteen years old).

But hey, she got a stamp to commemorate her short life:
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What's that quote? Something about the need to remember history or be doomed to repeat it?
 
AlexGroans said:
As if the Church had enough problems with people losing their faith in God. We are long overdue for a good smiting
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They dont, Numbers have been growing... you see, they exchange white europeans with money(mostly southern germans) for Nigger with no money. thats how you win!

also the last pope just ended it. they normaly dont retire in favour of some god damn mexican fag....
 
Stoneheart said:
They dont, Numbers have been growing... you see, they exchange white europeans with money(mostly southern germans) for Nigger with no money. thats how you win!

also the last pope just ended it. they normaly dont retire in favour of some god damn mexican fag....
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They normally don't retire, they are expected to die on the job. When Benedict stepped down, certain things happened.

Lightning Bolt hits Vatican TWICE at the night of Benedict's resignation

Perhaps someone was upset?

As for the current Pope, sometimes he does things I approve of, and sometimes he doesn't. The stuff he does that I don't is REALLY bad, and that's why I tend to think he's in trouble. Wasn't Benedict supposed to be the culmination of some kind of prophecy?
 
Matthew216 said:
Perhaps someone was upset?

As for the current Pope, sometimes he does things I approve of, and sometimes he doesn't. The stuff he does that I don't is REALLY bad, and that's why I tend to think he's in trouble. Wasn't Benedict supposed to be the culmination of some kind of prophecy?
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They are Devil worshipers anyway.

also Benedict just looks like the emperor...
 
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