Science Greta Thunberg Megathread - Dax Herrera says he wouldn't have a day ago (I somewhat doubt that)

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Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering? How can a 16-year-old girl in plaits, who has dedicated herself to the not-exactly sinister, authoritarian plot of trying to save the planet from extinction, inspire such incandescent rage?

Last week, she tweeted that she had arrived into New York after her two week transatlantic voyage: “Finally here. Thank you everyone who came to see me off in Plymouth, and everyone who welcomed me in New York! Now I’m going to rest for a few days, and on Friday I’m going to participate in the strike outside the UN”, before promptly giving a press conference in English. Yes, her second language.

Her remarks were immediately greeted with a barrage of jibes about virtue signalling, and snide remarks about the three crew members who will have to fly out to take the yacht home.

This shouldn’t need to be spelled out, but as some people don’t seem to have grasped it yet, we’ll give it a lash: Thunberg’s trip was an act of protest, not a sacred commandment or an instruction manual for the rest of us. Like all acts of protest, it was designed to be symbolic and provocative. For those who missed the point – and oh, how they missed the point – she retweeted someone else’s “friendly reminder” that: “You don’t need to spend two weeks on a boat to do your part to avert our climate emergency. You just need to do everything you can, with everyone you can, to change everything you can.”

Part of the reason she inspires such rage, of course, is blindingly obvious. Climate change is terrifying. The Amazon is burning. So too is the Savannah. Parts of the Arctic are on fire. Sea levels are rising. There are more vicious storms and wildfires and droughts and floods. Denial is easier than confronting the terrifying truth.

Then there’s the fact that we don’t like being made to feel bad about our life choices. That’s human nature. It’s why we sneer at vegans. It’s why we’re suspicious of sober people at parties. And if anything is likely to make you feel bad about your life choices -- as you jet back home after your third Ryanair European minibreak this season – it’ll be the sight of small-boned child subjecting herself to a fortnight being tossed about on the Atlantic, with only a bucket bearing a “Poo Only Please” sign by way of luxury, in order to make a point about climate change.

But that’s not virtue signalling, which anyone can indulge in. As Meghan Markle, Prince Harry, and their-four-private-jets-in-11-days found recently, virtue practising is a lot harder.

Even for someone who spends a lot of time on Twitter, some of the criticism levelled at Thunberg is astonishing. It is, simultaneously, the most vicious and the most fatuous kind of playground bullying. The Australian conservative climate change denier Andrew Bolt called her “deeply disturbed” and “freakishly influential” (the use of “freakish”, we can assume, was not incidental.) The former UKIP funder, Arron Banks, tweeted “Freaking yacht accidents do happen in August” (as above.) Brendan O’Neill of Spiked called her a “millenarian weirdo” (nope, still not incidental) in a piece that referred nastily to her “monotone voice” and “the look of apocalyptic dread in her eyes”.

But who’s the real freak – the activist whose determination has single-handedly started a powerful global movement for change, or the middle-aged man taunting a child with Asperger syndrome from behind the safety of their computer screens?

And that, of course, is the real reason why Greta Thunberg is so triggering. They can’t admit it even to themselves, so they ridicule her instead. But the truth is that they’re afraid of her. The poor dears are terrified of her as an individual, and of what she stands for – youth, determination, change.

She is part of a generation who won’t be cowed. She isn’t about to be shamed into submission by trolls. That’s not actually a look of apocalyptic dread in her eyes. It’s a look that says “you’re not relevant”.

The reason they taunt her with childish insults is because that’s all they’ve got. They’re out of ideas. They can’t dismantle her arguments, because she has science – and David Attenborough – on her side. They can’t win the debate with the persuasive force of their arguments, because these bargain bin cranks trade in jaded cynicism, not youthful passion. They can harangue her with snide tweets and hot take blogposts, but they won’t get a reaction because, frankly, she has bigger worries on her mind.

That’s not to say that we should accept everything Thunberg says without question. She is an idealist who is young enough to see the world in black and white. We need voices like hers. We should listen to what she has to say, without tuning the more moderate voices of dissent out.

Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering? Because of what she represents. In an age when democracy is under assault, she hints at the emergency of new kind of power, a convergence of youth, popular protest and irrefutable science. And for her loudest detractors, she also represents something else: the sight of their impending obsolescence hurtling towards them.

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Found this thought-provoking indeed.
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Well, Sweden's never going to extradite one of their citizens to street shitter land. But it's probably considerably more dangerous to piss off the government when you actually live in that country.


India activist Disha Ravi arrested over 'toolkit'

A 22-year-old Indian climate activist has been arrested after sharing a document intended to help farmers protest against new agricultural laws.

Disha Ravi is accused of sedition and criminal conspiracy.

The document she shared - a "toolkit" which suggests ways of helping the farmers - was first posted by the prominent campaigner Greta Thunberg.

The protests, now in their third month, mark the biggest challenge India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi has faced.

New laws loosen rules around the sale, pricing and storage of farm produce which have protected India's farmers from the free market for decades.

Farmers fear that the new laws will threaten decades-old concessions - such as assured prices - and weaken their bargaining power, leaving them vulnerable to exploitation by private companies.
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AnOminous said:
Well, Sweden's never going to extradite one of their citizens to street shitter land.
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Probably not, but it would've been funny if the Pajeets were the ones to shut her down. Also, no one's sufficiently explained to me how the protests are meant to combat climate change and not be a tool to use against Modi specifically.
 
soy_king said:
Probably not, but it would've been funny if the Pajeets were the ones to shut her down. Also, no one's sufficiently explained to me how the protests are meant to combat climate change and not be a tool to use against Modi specifically.
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They're about Modi selling out the people who grow food in India to pay off his foreign corporation buddies like Monsanto and the like. Some "nationalist." I honestly don't know what the agenda of the people conspiring with Thunberg though it's pretty obvious this whole episode has been giddy bullshit that has probably harmed the cause they claim to be supporting.
 
AnOminous said:
They're about Modi selling out the people who grow food in India to pay off his foreign corporation buddies like Monsanto and the like. Some "nationalist." I honestly don't know what the agenda of the people conspiring with Thunberg though it's pretty obvious this whole episode has been giddy bullshit that has probably harmed the cause they claim to be supporting.
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Feel free to disagree with me, but I'm generally of the opinion that national agricultural self-sufficiency is best served by large commercial operations rather than small time farmers. As much as you can censure the enclosure acts of 17th and 18th Century Britain, those practices helped to improve agricultural yields and overall productivity and quality. One of India's largest problems is the high proportion of its population being employed in subsistence agriculture, which creates a whole host of environmental problems as well. I'm not going to say that harming the livelihoods of small farmers is 100% a good thing, but from an environmentalist perspective it's honestly better than maintaining inefficient subsidies and price controls that result in greater land use that also is more inefficient.
 
soy_king said:
I'm not going to say that harming the livelihoods of small farmers is 100% a good thing, but from an environmentalist perspective it's honestly better than maintaining inefficient subsidies and price controls that result in greater land use that also is more inefficient.
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It seems like this should come naturally and domestically and not as a predatory invasion by foreigners.
 
AnOminous said:
It seems like this should come naturally and domestically and not as a predatory invasion by foreigners.
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Possibly, but I would argue that any such actions are inherently predatory, regardless of whether they come from foreign predators or domestic ones. I agree that if Modi's policies are solely done to benefit Monsanto and will in fact be detrimental to India as a whole, then they're wrong, but if Modi's policies will create a net benefit and improve national agricultural production and efficiency, I don't feel like it's my place to condemn him outright.
 
AnOminous said:
Well, Sweden's never going to extradite one of their citizens to street shitter land. But it's probably considerably more dangerous to piss off the government when you actually live in that country.


India activist Disha Ravi arrested over 'toolkit'



More at link.
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You think his friends in America/Swedon are gonna try to help him? It'd be horribly cruel if they let him play the fall guy and try to sweep this under the rug.

Y'know, that's probably exactly what's going to happen. Nevermind.
 
AnOminous said:
Well, Sweden's never going to extradite one of their citizens to street shitter land. But it's probably considerably more dangerous to piss off the government when you actually live in that country.
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They can't do that legally because she's not done anything that is illegal in Sweden and she's not going to disappear on a jet to to a glow-site. If she called them street shitters that would have been dealt with locally. If it hurts swedes or sweden it's illegal, it's not illegal to send instructions to fuck up another country. In the same way it is not illegal for a Belgian to spy on the UK on the behalf of the DDR in Sweden. That's not a reason for extradition.
 
AnOminous said:
She. Unless it's a troon.
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Doesn't look like a troon

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It's kinda funny Greta getting Indians arrested by being careless on Twitter.


I'm not completely sure of the details, but a lot of this is religious nationalism, and while 'Disha Ravi' would appear to be a Hindoo, she's accused of being a useful idiot/connected to Sikhs for Justice

Also Pakistan (Mooslims) are also stirring up shit.

I doubt Greta understands the various factions as she's just into climate sperging.
 
Do you think Greta understands that this Disha Ravi person was arrested as a consequence of her actions?
 
trannyfucker said:
I doubt Greta understands the various factions as she's just into climate sperging.
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As much as I think this is shit and despise Modi and his allegedly nationalist fascists, this is what you happen when you use barely legal climate lolis as your public face. They fuck up. And then your actual operatives on the ground get arrested.

Good job Greta! Now some Indian is getting beaten with blackjacks and interrogated because you couldn't contain your spaghetti!
 
India activist Disha Ravi arrested
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See, I told you guys no one would be outraged and demand lil' Greta's head on a pike when the shit hits the fan. If the face of climate change activism were anyone else except an autistic little girl who looks like Cindy from the Brady Bunch, there would be international outcry. If Greta were Julian Assange or Edward snowden, there would be riots and demonstrations right now. Nope, instead now that this little grifting goblin has fucked up and put someone in jail, this is what's essentially happening.
 
trannyfucker said:
Doesn't look like a troon

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It's kinda funny Greta getting Indians arrested by being careless on Twitter.
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I dunno. She looks like a twink in a wig.

To be fair, she could've been the PR person running Greta's twitter account. I doubt they let a teenager run her own twitter account when millions of eyes are on her. She could've very easily dug this ditch herself.
 
haurchefant said:
Do you think Greta understands that this Disha Ravi person was arrested as a consequence of her actions?
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I kinda doubt it. Greta seems to have little more awareness than her autistic fiaxations of "environment good" and "muh climate change".
I am curious if it was actually her fucking it up and delivering a reason for Modi to delegitimise the protest on a silver platter. We know that she isn't running her Facebook page, so I'm wondering if she is allowed near her Twitter or Instagram.
 
It'd be pretty funny to see an Indian take a big spicy curry shit in the street right in front of Greta.
 
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