UN Government Shutdown Megathread/Updates - News of the ongoing/halted Goverment Shutdown from 12/22/18 -1/25/19

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Here's the news of the Government Shutdown as of 1/22/19

It's been a month now since this shutdown started which started back in December and no deal seems to be coming.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...day-32-as-democrats-vow-to-reject-trump-offer

"The longest government shutdown in U.S. history entered its 32nd day on Tuesday with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell expected to call up legislation to advance a proposal from President Donald Trump, which Democrats have already said they’ll reject.


The president said in a Jan. 19 speech he would support a mix of immigration-related proposals in exchange for $5.7 billion to build a wall or other barriers along the border. Trump’s supporters, including Vice President Mike Pence, pointed to the offer as evidence of the president’s willingness to strike a compromise with Democrats.


Pelosi’s Democrats, meanwhile, plan more votes of their own in the House to reopen the government, with a new offer of $1 billion for border upgrades -- but not a wall -- on tap this week.
 
It will still be somewhat porous even if the wall is built. Trump has already said that it won't be a continuous structure. I'm curious about just how much of it needs to be built by 2020 for him to legitimately claim that he has fulfilled his promise to build the wall.
Of course it will. There will always be illegal immigration. The question is how much.

The higher you build a wall the taller the next ladder will be.

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That's called a chokepoint.
 
Honestly did not care about this until I lost a 10k deal due to lack of government funds
Trump is in a damned if he does, damned if he doesn't scenario
He will likely lose supporters from the agreement but may gain a better following from those blue collars that were effected by this ( and they are more than any news site reports)
The government is almost a soap opera from both sides.
Can we go back to a multi party system like George wood teeth wanted or are we all too commited to this madness?
 
I've always wondered what sane people who are against the wall think we should do about the flood of illegals. It's not like I haven't asked either, but every time the response I get is some open borders goodbye sovereignty refugees welcome insanity, or a "well I agree something has to be done but the wall is dumb and pointless and won't help and people will tunnel under it and swim around it and pole jump it and and and" cop out.
 
I've always wondered what sane people who are against the wall think we should do about the flood of illegals. It's not like I haven't asked either, but every time the response I get is some open borders goodbye sovereignty refugees welcome insanity, or a "well I agree something has to be done but the wall is dumb and pointless and won't help and people will tunnel under it and swim around it and pole jump it and and and" cop out.
There's actually an easy non wall solution to this. Vet companies hiring illegal immagrants.
Whether that's a mil per person or a percentage of revenue it will internally help better than a wall as some fucker running a restaurant could lose business by hiring without properly checking them out.
 
He should just threaten to take it out of the military budget.
thats not a bad idea, the US has alot of Landmines in storage, those are illegale in war for quite some time, and explosives turn bad after some time.
Just use the exloped guts of mexicans(or other vermine) to build a wall in the head of aliens.
 
The Wall is symbolic (thanks, apple, for autocapitalizing it) at this point. It is not a method of defense. It is a statement. Any fortification built by man or nature can be overcome by an attacker dedicated and able enough to do so.

I am willing to take away money from meaningless social services to pay for a giant middle finger to central and South America. Yes, it can and will be bypassed by people clever enough to do so, but something that says “fuck all you goddamn beaners I hate you so goddamn much” that can be seen from orbit excites me and fills me with a sense of patriotism. However, since I am from Texas, I instead wonder how it will benefit the eventual second Texan revolutionary war.

It kind of baffles me how people say "it's symbolic" when Trump has literally described an actual wall and what he intends for it to be.

You can keep saying it's a negotiating tactic, or a metaphor, or to throw off the libs, but at the end of the day, why put value in the words of someone who assigns no value to them in the first place?

I've always wondered what sane people who are against the wall think we should do about the flood of illegals. It's not like I haven't asked either, but every time the response I get is some open borders goodbye sovereignty refugees welcome insanity, or a "well I agree something has to be done but the wall is dumb and pointless and won't help and people will tunnel under it and swim around it and pole jump it and and and" cop out.

A placebo effect is not worth billions of dollars.

That being said, I think increasing surveillance with drones and the like then deploying border patrol to head people off would be more effective.

Admittedly, I've got no background in an area that would qualify me to say that with a great deal of certainty, but then again neither does Trump.
 
There's actually an easy non wall solution to this. Vet companies hiring illegal immagrants.
Whether that's a mil per person or a percentage of revenue it will internally help better than a wall as some fucker running a restaurant could lose business by hiring without properly checking them out.

Hey, they do it for drugs, why not this? Asset seizure for anyone who hasn't properly vetted hires and hires illegals. The problem would solve itself in no time.

This is silly, but it amuses me because I'm a cunt, but I also like the idea of a five hundred mile long, half mile wide, chain link fenced area festooned with whatever signs you put to let people know they will be shot if they enter, and call it a military base. A non-stop competition inside of tanks racing each other throughout.
 
It kind of baffles me how people say "it's symbolic" when Trump has literally described an actual wall and what he intends for it to be.

You can keep saying it's a negotiating tactic, or a metaphor, or to throw off the libs, but at the end of the day, why put value in the words of someone who assigns no value to them in the first place?



A placebo effect is not worth billions of dollars.

That being said, I think increasing surveillance with drones and the like then deploying border patrol to head people off would be more effective.

Admittedly, I've got no background in an area that would qualify me to say that with a great deal of certainty, but then again neither does Trump.

The US federal government spends billions on placebos every year. Why is this placebo pissing people like you off when you let all the other placebos pass muster?

Maybe it’s because you aren’t the military type? All fixed fortifications are temporary obstructions and simply a stalling tactic. A gaggle of wetbacks could cobble together a trebuchet and lay siege to a section of “the wall” and seriously damage it and perhaps breach it before an appropriate response could be issued. Siege weaponry is so advanced because fixed fortifications were a huge pain in the ass, but now they are relatively minor annoyances.
 
It kind of baffles me how people say "it's symbolic" when Trump has literally described an actual wall and what he intends for it to be.

The Wall is both literal and symbolic. It's literal in that it is a physical barrier and it's symbolic as part of a concerted effort to drastically change the illegal immigration process in America. Trump isn't going to throw the wall up and go "GG immigration is solved", it's a much larger process of making sure we have an immigration system befitting a first world county, which includes re-examining the entire immigration process (including H1Bs) and we can't even start that process with the entire southern border basically open and half of the states on the border coaxing illegals over. You cannot have a "real" immigration procedure if sneaking into the country illegally is a tactically valid option.

The physical wall is not meant to ward off an attacking army, it's meant to be a literal and spiritual deterrent for "refugees" who literally have just walked up to the border in a dingy disney t-shirt and fat kids in tow.

We currently do not have the ability to
- Easily verify that children coming over are coming over with their parents, as opposed to sex traffickers.
- Prevent people from coming over with drugs, weapons, or a real intent to do harm.
- Bring people over with specific jobs, skills, or education.
- Effectively deport people (as there is not a whole lot stopping them from just coming back, aka "catch and release")
- Prosecute these illegal citizens as criminals (with the advent of "Sanctuary Cities")

This lax process is also insanely dangerous for prospective immigrants, in particular Mexican and South Americans
- Most Cartel criminals literally seek out and exploit migrants. Captured migrants are killed, raped (at a 60% rate), become sex slaves (including Children) or forced laborers.
- If they aren't captured by Cartels they will likely be caught by Border Patrol and sent back to their home after trying to flee it.
- Even if they do make it, as illegals they are literally second class citizens. Democrats seem more keen to exploit them "who else will clean our toilets?" and Republicans have literally 0 sympathy for them.
- As they are typically unskilled, they are resented by the already struggling American lower-class as they give exploitative companies (Amazon, Walmart, etc) and even lower cost pool of unskilled labor.

Our blatant inability to do this puts us behind nearly every first world country in the world, despite how "awful" their leaders infer we are. Border Control is such a tremendously national issue that it's likely going to be what shatters the European Union (it's why Britain is trying to leave and why some countries, like Italy and Poland are fighting against the EU laws).

It puts us behind CANADA in terms of immigration control. Even in Trudeau-land they sort and process immigrants (besides Muslim "refugees", apparently) on a clear system that identifies people that would benefit and integrate into Canada. This is the same for most world nations and even Australia. In some places (Japan) even if you are able to live there, you cannot become a "full voting citizen".

From a Canadian immigration website
If you have more than a year of full-time work experience, there’s a good chance you’ll be eligible for Express Entry. The application takes places entirely online, and is usually processed within six months. Other methods of immigration are pretty much guaranteed to take longer than this one, so if you qualify for Express Entry, this is definitely the best route to go. The whole process costs between $1,500 and $2,000 total. Express Entry is open to skilled foreign applicants, usually younger, who have taken one of the following official language tests in either English or French:

International English Language Testing System (IELTS)
Canadian English Language Proficiency Index Program (CELPIP)
French Certification Exam, or Test d'Evaluation de Français (TEF)

When you apply, you’ll be assessed on a scale of points that goes up to 1,200. The first 600 come from your skills, education, work experience, and whether you have a spouse in Canada. The other 600 come from things like having Canadian degrees/diplomas/certificates (always a plus), as well as job offers, siblings with permanent Canadian residency, a nomination from a Canadian province (more on that in a sec) and being good at French. You can learn more about how to get your credentials assessed here.
 
Honestly did not care about this until I lost a 10k deal due to lack of government funds
Trump is in a damned if he does, damned if he doesn't scenario
He will likely lose supporters from the agreement but may gain a better following from those blue collars that were effected by this ( and they are more than any news site reports)
The government is almost a soap opera from both sides.
Can we go back to a multi party system like George wood teeth wanted or are we all too commited to this madness?
From what I've read, he already lost supporters over the shutdown. It's likely he'll lose more over this decision. It's ultimately going to be a lose-lose situation for Trump regardless of what happens.
 
The right are being as overly dramatic as the left right now. The last week and a half, starting with the Gillette ad, then Buzzfeed, then Covington, then Roger Stone, all the shutdown drama, now this.... the autism has been ridiculous. If that twat Ben Shapiro starts to talk like a Chicken Little, the sky is falling, and starts shitting loudly on Trump, then I think the autism has salted the earth for generations, and you can only recover by watering the crops with Brawndo.

I honestly find it hilarious that Kiwi Farms is taking sides with either the Democrats/Pelosi or the Republicans/Trump right now, seeing as both sides are acting like massive cows. Nobody on either side doesn't look like a complete and utter twit. The whole government shutdown business has felt less like watching serious government interaction over dire issues and more like watching a bunch of kindergartners getting into a slap fight over a PB&J while the school burns down behind them.
 
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