UN Government Shutdown Megathread/Updates - News of the ongoing/halted Goverment Shutdown from 12/22/18 -1/25/19

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Here's the news of the Government Shutdown as of 1/22/19

It's been a month now since this shutdown started which started back in December and no deal seems to be coming.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...day-32-as-democrats-vow-to-reject-trump-offer

"The longest government shutdown in U.S. history entered its 32nd day on Tuesday with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell expected to call up legislation to advance a proposal from President Donald Trump, which Democrats have already said they’ll reject.


The president said in a Jan. 19 speech he would support a mix of immigration-related proposals in exchange for $5.7 billion to build a wall or other barriers along the border. Trump’s supporters, including Vice President Mike Pence, pointed to the offer as evidence of the president’s willingness to strike a compromise with Democrats.


Pelosi’s Democrats, meanwhile, plan more votes of their own in the House to reopen the government, with a new offer of $1 billion for border upgrades -- but not a wall -- on tap this week.
 
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Jewelsmakerguy said:
From what I've read, he already lost supporters over the shutdown. It's likely he'll lose more over this decision. It's ultimately going to be a lose-lose situation for Trump regardless of what happens.
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Trump really should have attempted this move a year or two ago, instead of so late in his term after so many Democrats entered Congress. I know there was conflicts about funding wrt immigration policies in the last shutdown, but I really don't know what he expected at this point.
 
MintChocolateChip said:
I honestly find it hilarious that Kiwi Farms is taking sides with either the Democrats/Pelosi or the Republicans/Trump right now, seeing as both sides are acting like massive cows. Nobody on either side doesn't look like a complete and utter twit. The whole government shutdown business has felt less like watching serious government interaction over dire issues and more like watching a bunch of kindergartners getting into a slap fight over a PB&J while the school burns down behind them.
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This must be your first time reading up on politics, US government shutdowns happen every term.
 
Manah said:
It kind of baffles me how people say "it's symbolic" when Trump has literally described an actual wall and what he intends for it to be.

You can keep saying it's a negotiating tactic, or a metaphor, or to throw off the libs, but at the end of the day, why put value in the words of someone who assigns no value to them in the first place?



A placebo effect is not worth billions of dollars.

That being said, I think increasing surveillance with drones and the like then deploying border patrol to head people off would be more effective.

Admittedly, I've got no background in an area that would qualify me to say that with a great deal of certainty, but then again neither does Trump.
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Is the Statue of Liberty literal liberty as well? The meaning of “the wall” is symbolic in the sense that it shows intent. It’s going to be a physical barrier and also tell people that America has a hardline stance on immigration: do it right or don’t do it at all.

Given our spending budget the 5 billion he’s asking for is a drop in the ocean that is Federal spending. The Dems should’ve taken this deal (at least until he backed out that is).

My hope for the shut down was for dislike and distrust to grow for both the Republicans and Democrats. There were 535 elected officials who couldn’t put aside their own petty quarrels long enough to end this quickly, with concessions on both sides. That is unacceptable and US citizens should be running these people out of town come the end of their terms. Now that Trump caved that whole scenario went down the drain. The media’s spun this as a “Trump’s Last Stand” with Pelosi putting his head on the pike. This was a failure of both sides. When will these people get held accountable?
 
Manah said:
It kind of baffles me how people say "it's symbolic" when Trump has literally described an actual wall and what he intends for it to be.

You can keep saying it's a negotiating tactic, or a metaphor, or to throw off the libs, but at the end of the day, why put value in the words of someone who assigns no value to them in the first place?
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Regardless of whether you think a wall is an effective barrier or not, (in which case I'm sorry you live in a tent city) it was the cornerstone of his campaign, he has to get it done, otherwise in a year or so the Democrats will point to it and say he's a liar, he can't do shit. So he has to do it.

And the Democrats desperately want no wall, not out of brick, or wood, or straw, because it will be likely one of the major points of attack against his campaign next run.
 
Medicated said:
Regardless of whether you think a wall is an effective barrier or not, (in which case I'm sorry you live in a tent city) it was the cornerstone of his campaign, he has to get it done, otherwise in a year or so the Democrats will point to it and say he's a liar, he can't do shit. So he has to do it.

And the Democrats desperately want no wall, not out of brick, or wood, or straw, because it will be likely one of the major points of attack against his campaign next run.
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Also the Dems long term Cunning Plan is to allow illegals to pour in in as a large a number as possible, amnesty them and then take advantage of the fact they'll vote 70:30 Democrat:Republican for a very long period which will mean the Democrats never lose the popular vote in a presidential election again.

I.e. both they and Trump see border control as an existential issue on which they cannot compromise.
 
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Cure Milquetoast said:
Trump really should have attempted this move a year or two ago, instead of so late in his term after so many Democrats entered Congress. I know there was conflicts about funding wrt immigration policies in the last shutdown, but I really don't know what he expected at this point.
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He couldn't. The Republican party worked against him almost as much as the Democrats. There's good reason he had for not getting upset over the 2018 results and having fun over folks like Mia Love kicking the bucket (and the less said about McCain the better).
 
he backed down, god damn it. he should have done a state of emergency from the very beginning.

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After the disastrous Midterms and failing to fulfill the signature promise of his campaign, I can very confidently say that Trump will be a one term president.

Just as with my extremely accurate Midterm prediction, I hope I am wrong, but I don't see how I could be.
 
Black4STA said:
After the disastrous Midterms and failing to fulfill the signature promise of his campaign, I can very confidently say that Trump will be a one term president.

Just as with my extremely accurate Midterm prediction, I hope I am wrong, but I don't see how I could be.
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I think his reelection would wholly rely on Americans typically shying way from single term presidents. We haven't had a single term presidency since H.W. Bush.
 
Medicated said:
This must be your first time reading up on politics, US government shutdowns happen every term.
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down under last guy who called for a government shut down got sacked.

I'm watching all this kerfuffle in amusement
 
I'm pretty sure the shutdown was an opportunity for Trump to make the Democrats look more insane in the process. Even though it hurt some of his voters, it doesn't mean the wall promise is over considering he has Plan B: Emergency fund the wall.
 
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The Great Chandler said:
I'm pretty sure the shutdown was an opportunity for Trump to make the Democrats look more insane in the process. Even though it hurt some of his voters, it doesn't mean the wall promise is over considering he has Plan B: Emergency fund the wall.
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That option has always been on the table, and he should've done it the second there was a conservative majority in the SCOTUS. Because it will be shut down by a judge somewhere in the nation, and thus end up in the SCOTUS where it will be voted on after more than a year. If he does it today he might get the funding passed pre 2020 elections.

There is no chance the Wall is getting built pre 2020 election now, but if he declares emergency right now, the funding could be passed pre his reelection bid after SCOTUS rules he can do so.
 
Democrats came out of this with a better image, but that was always a given - they never had anything to lose.

It's been interesting seeing Trump react to being unable to pressure people into doing his bidding. He doesn't seem to handle it well.
 
With all this shitflinging and "Oh no, the country is dying due to gubment shutdown!", shouldn't it be really easy to back down and take the higher route.
Essentially claiming that one had to back down, since the other side was recklessly bleeding the nation dry and holding them hostage?

I think with the right rhetoric, this can be turned into a pyrrhic victory.
 
Black4STA said:
That option has always been on the table, and he should've done it the second there was a conservative majority in the SCOTUS. Because it will be shut down by a judge somewhere in the nation, and thus end up in the SCOTUS where it will be voted on after more than a year. If he does it today he might get the funding passed pre 2020 elections.

There is no chance the Wall is getting built pre 2020 election now, but if he declares emergency right now, the funding could be passed pre his reelection bid after SCOTUS rules he can do so.
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If he called a state of emergency out the gate for funding for the wall, the press, the democrats, and the nevertrumper republicans would have a field day. They might have even been able to get a successful impeachment out of that sort of thing. Realistically, he's done what he can. He's tried to build a rapport with the Republicans, he's tried to bring negotiations to the Democrats.

I don't think either side really wants some virtual outsider messing up the nice little system they've had going. Getting Trump out is the first priority, then they can put their puppet candidates back on track, lock down facebook, youtube etc, and get back to making corporate deals and securing amnesty votes.

This whole "Government serving the people" is screwing up all their future cushy advisory roles and kickbacks.
 
Medicated said:
If he called a state of emergency out the gate for funding for the wall, the press, the democrats, and the nevertrumper republicans would have a field day. They might have even been able to get a successful impeachment out of that sort of thing. Realistically, he's done what he can. He's tried to build a rapport with the Republicans, he's tried to bring negotiations to the Democrats.

I don't think either side really wants some virtual outsider messing up the nice little system they've had going. Getting Trump out is the first priority, then they can put their puppet candidates back on track, lock down facebook, youtube etc, and get back to making corporate deals and securing amnesty votes.

This whole "Government serving the people" is screwing up all their future cushy advisory roles and kickbacks.
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As opposed to the fair and balanced coverage Trump has gotten not declaring the emergency? And ultimately, the end result is the same. If he can't get it done, he can't get it done. How can he survive the debates for his reelection? "I will build the wall... this time for sure guys!" And all Democrats need to respond with, and they will is "Remember when you caved like a loser to us during the shutdown? We will never let the wall happen!"
 
you guys know its only opening for 3 weeks right? after that we are goin right back to the shit flinging over the wall.
 
If he doesn't, nobody will turn out to vote for him again. And the country is likely to plunge into civil war because whoever follows Trump will be 10x worse or better from which side's perspective you're on. Bottom line, nobody wants to compromise or make deals because there's too many loonies running things now.

There may be elections in 2020 but even if Trump wins it may not matter, as the federal government may not matter.
 
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