Google Stadia General Discussion - Like any other gaming platform, but worse.

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SteelPlatedHeart said:
I just love how every response is just calling them out or mocking them.

My favorite so far was “ok google”.
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Sometimes cyber bullying is justified and really fucking funny.
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HAHAHAHA THIS GUY HAS A FAMILY ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME
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One of these people is definitely gonna look stupid a few years from now.
How to respond to critics:
“Another hater!😂😂😂”
“It worked for me! I have two kids by the way!
“No it won’t!”
“That’s not gonna happen!”
“Hey look at this sweet comic for the 87th time!”
“Hey look at the same comic but with different text!”

The guy also linked to this reddit post, this is probably him.

r/Stadia - Haters gonna hate

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Haters gonna hate

All these youtubers talking trash about stadia because they know it's going to do damage if people find how low the latency is, I mean 48 ms the difference which is not even noticeable unless your a competitive gamer but how big is the competitive market compared to the casual market let's be honest 😂

All these YouTubers are the only people that seem to be saying their gaming experience wasn't great and they noticed things hahaha well duh there looking for things to complain about when a casual gamer wouldn't care, stadia has worked flawless for a lot of people and people are enjoying themselves despite the dumsterfire launch but it's only going to get better and regardless weather these companies want a streaming future or not it's going to happen because it's the cheaper option

So your telling me in 10 - 15 years people are going to be going out and buying these expensive hardware when there's game streaming services available 😂😂 nah they won't am afraid just look what happend with music and movies everyone is growing up into a new technology life so people being born now and growing up with all this new tech and they'll see something like stadia with no downloads,no patches and you can play on your phone,tablet,TV so what will be a selling point for consoles? Tell me ? Lower latency 😂 nope that's not going to work am afraid, these youtubers are freaking stupid if they think people are going to continue to go out and buy expensive hardware it's laughable.
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I still can’t get over how this guy has two kids.
“Daddy, what’s for dinner?”
“There’s kid cuisine in the freezer, go away I’m... working.”
 
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Fagnacious D said:
I forsee the stadia being abandoned in anywhere between 2 to 6 years.
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I don't see it making it through 2020. It's getting universally panned, even by people who usually suck Google's cock. It's so universally reviled that people who defend it at this point are getting called paid shills (it doesn't help that they mostly just keep reciting the same tired "corporate-approved" talking points instead of actually engaging with people). 4chan is making a game out of trying to come up with the most over-the-top obviously paid "grassroots support" posts and dropping them as bait in every Stadia thread.

Google Glass didn't last very long either (even by Google standards). If memory serves, while the overall project existed for a couple of years, there was only a window of a few months when you could actually buy the kit, and development stagnated pretty quickly. Unusually, when they shut the project down, they apparently demanded everyone send back the hardware on pain of litigation if they didn't.

The thing is, the Google Glass hardware wasn't cheap to get your hands on. I remember it being at least $1,000 for the kit. Google wasn't really subsidizing the hardware costs and there wasn't much "resource outlay" for the project -- some engineers to work on software and firmware for it, a bit of support here and there, and some discussions with tinkerers.

Stadia, on the other hand, has unknown initial hardware costs (though if all you get is a controller and a Chromecast for that $130 price tag, they're probably not subsidizing the consumer gear), hefty development costs (games have to be ported to Stadia, plus the platform itself had to be developed and maintained) and enormous server-side hardware costs. I can't imagine they can run too many individual instances of Stadia games on a single piece of server hardware -- I would assume each game needs a GPU and you can only stack so many of those into a single rack mount server, plus they're encoding captured video from each GPU to send off to the client and of course each game needs a slice of the host's CPU time. I know they have immense resources but even their wallet must be taking a beating on running this thing.

I don't see how they think this thing could ever make any money, so it makes me wonder what they're really getting out of this besides revenue. Unless I'm sorely mistaken about their server hardware needs, there's no way Stadia's revenues could match or beat its costs. I see it lasting through maybe the 3rd quarter of 2020, with few to no games being added after a flurry of activity for a few months after launch. The sunk costs fallacy will keep some poor suckers using (and paying for) it for awhile, but there's really no getting around that lag and that'll eventually drive off even the staunchest of supporters.
 
moocow said:
I don't see how they think this thing could ever make any money, so it makes me wonder what they're really getting out of this besides revenue. Unless I'm sorely mistaken about their server hardware needs, there's no way Stadia's revenues could match or beat its costs. I see it lasting through maybe the 3rd quarter of 2020, with few to no games being added after a flurry of activity for a few months after launch. The sunk costs fallacy will keep some poor suckers using (and paying for) it for awhile, but there's really no getting around that lag and that'll eventually drive off even the staunchest of supporters.
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I'm no Google Engineer, but I would imagine that having the company expand infrastructure for Stadia will be able to also use said infrastructure to bolster thier other services (namely YouTube) that the company provides.

The Stadia revenue stream looks OK on paper (all games at full price, no used copies/sharing, no sales to speak of, no 3rd party sellers) but Google is going to be Google, there are likely hidden revenue streams based on user data. I would imagine Google (realistically or theoretically) is able to pull together metrics of Stadia games and provide them to developers, who generally speaking have very poor player feedback mechanisms (they rely on Achievements as progress markers). It's probably amazing for bug fixing/recreation and version control, meaning you can force players onto whatever version of a game you need to.

Additionally, it's also a way to get people to easily stream on Youtube (as the servers can literally be in the same building) as opposed to it's competitors (aka Twitch and Mixer). Trying to control the game streaming/video game content is something Google has taken several tries at and this and hasn't been successful, but that doesn't mean they're done trying.

Lastly, they could bundle this into thier existing paid services (Youtube RED + Google Fiber + Google Stadia) and create value that way, assuming you're in an area with Google Fiber. Having the ISP hosting the servers means your connection would be basically direct and probably was the "use case" for Stadia.

Of course, this is all on the assumption that Google Stadia isn't a pile of dogshit (and it is), but they're probably looking at more ways to monetize than just game sales + sub fees; they're looking at it from all kinds of angles.
 
So your telling me in 10 - 15 years people are going to be going out and buying these expensive hardware when there's game streaming services available 😂😂 nah they won't am afraid just look what happend with music and movies everyone is growing up into a new technology life so people being born now and growing up with all this new tech and they'll see something like stadia with no downloads,no patches and you can play on your phone,tablet,TV so what will be a selling point for consoles? Tell me ? Lower latency 😂 nope that's not going to work am afraid, these youtubers are freaking stupid if they think people are going to continue to go out and buy expensive hardware it's laughable.
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Seriously I cannot get over this part of the Reddit post I linked.
 
Floop said:
Seriously I cannot get over this part of the Reddit post I linked.
So your telling me in 10 - 15 years people are going to be going out and buying these expensive hardware when there's game streaming services available 😂😂 nah they won't am afraid just look what happend with music and movies everyone is growing up into a new technology life so people being born now and growing up with all this new tech and they'll see something like stadia with no downloads,no patches and you can play on your phone,tablet,TV so what will be a selling point for consoles? Tell me ? Lower latency 😂 nope that's not going to work am afraid, these youtubers are freaking stupid if they think people are going to continue to go out and buy expensive hardware it's laughable.
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Floop said:
Seriously I cannot get over this part of the Reddit post I linked.
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It's the Dunning-Kruger effect in action: dumb know-nothing Millenial early adopts a product that only appeals to dumbasses and consumerists and believes he's a visionary. Popular vidya games (Minecraft, Fortnite, CS:GO, League, CoD) don't need $1500 rigs to be played; they're tweaked so they can be run on toasters for maximum market penetration. What they do need is low response times and a stable connection to a nearby server for multiplayer

He's obviously a paid shill or this is his first time playing a video game made after 2000
 
Floop said:
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It’s balrey anything guys
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THIS GUY’S A FUCKING LOSER
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I don't think I can even get mad at it I just feel bad who is unfortunate enough to be the social media manager for that piece of shit also does he realized that most of the games on the launch list can just as easily brought on any other console and steam for half the price and get to actually own the game instead of paying 60 dollars for a game that has been out for few years only for one day you can't get access to it. The future is game streaming my ass.
 
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Floop said:
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Has this guy ever played an action game before? My tolerance for input lag is around half that of the Stadia's, and that's before adding on the 13-25ms of latency TVs have. To get an idea of how bad the lag is, playing Stadia on a TV with game mode enabled will only have ~30ms less lag than a console game with game mode disabled. If you're going to play on a monitor you might as well just spend the money on some new PC components instead.
 
FuckedUp said:
Has this guy ever played an action game before? My tolerance for input lag is around half that of the Stadia's, and that's before adding on the 13-25ms of latency TVs have. To get an idea of how bad the lag is, playing Stadia on a TV with game mode enabled will only have ~30ms less lag than a console game with game mode disabled. If you're going to play on a monitor you might as well just spend the money on some new PC components instead.
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Well... for competitive players, yes, but casual players won’t notice! I bet you’re feeling pretty stupid huh don’t you you stupid boy stadia works you’re so mean
 
Fagnacious D said:
The Asian man that reads you the news talks about Stadia. Mostly him commentating over a Stadia advertisement video.
He mentions problems with it such as over heating, false advertising, screen switching limitations, and, no crossplay (destiny 2 cited)
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>Over heating
>everything is rendered remotely

What the fuck?

some retard on reddit said:
I mean 48 ms the difference which is not even noticeable unless your a competitive gamer
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Nope. Input lag affects everyone. Even if you're not playing a competitive game, it makes the overall experience just crappier. There's a certain satisfying feeling when you engage an input and something happens immediately, and even if you're not into a certain kind of game to consciously tell the difference, everything will feel a little... off. Vehicles will feel heavier, attacks won't feel as satisfying, and you can forget about fine aiming. Even browsing through menus might have you accidentally click the wrong thing, since you'll unconsciously click while something's being highlighted, only for it to switch to the next option and then confirm your click. Constant little bugaboos like that add up over time, and make the experience of playing without input lag feel like luxury. Anyone whose tried to play PC games on a low-end computer knows the feeling.

I had an HDTV for a while that had some nasty input lag. I eventually just switched back to my old CRT TV to play games, I was just getting so fed up with it. The luster of getting to play games in HD helped hold off my switch back, but ultimately I'd rather play anything on something with no input lag than something with. Even slow-paced games like Civ that require no reflexes whatsoever. For fuck's sake, they're video games, we don't have to deal with those kind of compromises anymore.

Secret Asshole said:
The thing is since the games are on the cloud, once the servers go off, that's all she wrote. Its not like Steam or GoG, where if Steam goes down there's probably a way to download and have them forever. Same with GoG.

Not so with Stadia. The law hasn't caught up to digital copies yet, its barely even considered it. Cloud services with streaming is a whole other ballgame. With Netflix and Hulu and such, you're basically paying for the service of streaming and licensing. Its basically like your own personal blockbuster, where you can watch unlimited with a membership. If the store goes down, technically you aren't owed, because the thing you were paying for was the ability to rent all this content.

On the other hand, with Stadia, you're basically paying to own something that you're effectively renting. Each game is full price or equivalent to a digital or physical copy. Its not actually renting, because you're paying full price to own something. So you technically own the game. The Stadia fee is renting out the Google servers to play something that you own. That's why Stadia is a fucking idiotic concept.

For example, I pay $10 bucks a month to PlaystationNow and Stream PS games on my PC and Sony decides to shut down the service, I'm not owed, because I'm technically renting their entire library. Its also highly, HIGHLY unlikely that they shut the service down since they're probably using their own servers. So I can safely subscribe to PlaystationNow and be confident that the service is going to last for a very long time. Not so with Stadia. Google is not a videogame company like Sony or even Valve.

With Stadia, I'm not only paying to own a game, I'm paying for their service. So if their service goes down, there's simply no way to play that game anymore. Yes, technically I own it, but you don't really. You own a license to play it on Google's Servers. If those servers go down, too fucking bad. Digital is much easier to make a case for that you bought a product on your PC and it is yours. For example, even games that have been removed from purchase on Steam due to Steam losing the license or copyright conflicts or whatever, if I bought that game, I can download it in perpetuity and play it. Nobody else can buy it, because the license is no longer offered. As long as I bought it, I own the license to use it on a PC. So as long as you own the hardware, you can use it. Very simple.

What happens if you are buying a license to use on someone else's hardware? You are shit out of fucking luck, that's what you are. With the way Google cancels and stops products, you're an absolute fucking moron to even touch this thing with a ten foot pole. The argument that Google can make is very simple: You own a license to play those games on Google's servers and the fee you pay is the rental of that equipment. If they no longer chose to rent equipment, you still have the license, but they are under no obligation to offer the hardware to play them. Like if I own a license for software for defunct hardware, I still have the license, but since the hardware is no longer being sold, I better pray that my shit doesn't break or you're fucked. The company is under no obligation to continue producing or offering that hardware if they cannot afford it. That's what Google is going to argue if they shut it down and I think they've got a pretty good case for that. Caveat Emptor.

The whole concept is fucking idiotic unless you're paying for something like PlayStation Now or a Netflix equivalent for games. Where you just pay a flat subscription fee and get access to a library. Cloud gaming as Stadia is doing it is not the future, because there is absolutely no guarantees that whatever you purchase will exist in four or five years time.
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Hell, OnLive didn't give me any Steam keys or anything when they closed down, they just gave me a message when I logged in that my games would be playable for another year and a half or so (until some time in 2014) and then, poof, gone. I searched through my email for everything OnLive-related, and they didn't even email me about that.

And speaking of subscription services, OnLive even managed to do that. Eight years ago. They gave me a free month at one point. Honestly, it wasn't really remarkable. Yeah, you get access to a ton of games, playable on even the shittiest computers and phones, but the input lag (which seems better than Stadia's) just didn't let them feel as good as they should, and the selection wasn't great. A subscription plan with countless indie games, but not a single one being worth the subscription fee alone just makes for a very superficial experience. It's fun to browse, but it's just empty when there's nothing worth sinking your teeth into. Just like Apple Arcade.
 
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