Google Stadia General Discussion - Like any other gaming platform, but worse.

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The total obliteration of physical media was bad enough but now we're not even going to be able to mod games to taste due to everything just running on the cloud. I think this is also part of the move to make computers less sophisticated. The average person with a GPU can run programs that any other computer on earth can run. Once we start making consumer computers with no GPU expecting everything to be on a cloud, the average PC will just be a big phone with apps. Fuck that.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Yes it is. Even games as service at least has you left with an anniversary edition with all the features some years down the line.
It's literal the zenith of "you will own nothing and be happy".
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If you can't understand why someone would want "netflix for video games," you're just going to have to acknowledge that you might not be the target audience of a netflix for video games.
Toolbox said:
Game streaming is a good idea in concept, but if what's happened to physical media in general is a sign, adopting any of these companies plans will have us end up in a world where you can't even download single player games anymore. Just be glad none of these projects have been very successful yet.
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Why would you try to sell streaming games to a core gaming audience? There's absolutely zero financial incentive or sense for most of the console manufacturers or steam to shift to something like this, and it only makes sense for the massive tech behemoths who already have access to a lot of cloud / streaming tech to even bother.

Instead, your customer base is the sort of people who buy those plug-n-play SNES/Genesis/etc things. People who might play a game here and there, but otherwise aren't really that interested in the medium. You load up some other subscription model with access to the service as a bonus, and you dump it full of games that don't really need frame-perfect inputs: platformers, rpgs, visual novels, gacha shit, etc.

The model can only ever be sold to someone with a low-end work computer / no consoles, as otherwise it offers no edge whatsoever.
It's always going to be a niche product for a niche audience, which is why google did literally everything wrong in trying to market it to core players.
 
Rich Evans Ayypologist said:
If you can't understand why someone would want "netflix for video games," you're just going to have to acknowledge that you might not be the target audience of a netflix for video games.
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People who can afford stable high speed internet to stream games in real life (rather than pre-buffered films) can afford mid range pc, or even a priced up modern console.

But even if every urban nigger family had 0 ping to Amazon's servers, fuck this target audience shit. Gaming (and just about every media) is only turning worse because the main audience cucks out when they are getting shit on to get that "target audience" who will happily sell every right they have for the tiniest improvement in convenience.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
People who can afford stable high speed internet to stream games in real life (rather than pre-buffered films) can afford mid range pc, or even a priced up modern console.

But even if every urban nigger family had 0 ping to Amazon's servers, fuck this target audience shit. Gaming (and just about every media) is only turning worse because the main audience cucks out when they are getting shit on to get that "target audience" who will happily sell every right they have for the tiniest improvement in convenience.
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That's like saying every household that had cable necessarily also bought a game console or a gaming pc. If a passing interest in one or two games is enough of an impetus to drop $400-1200 on a console or a rig, you probably should develop better impulse control and shouldn't be in charge of the finances.

On a $40/mo bottom-barrel internet plan, you could pretty easily use a service like this on games that weren't concerned about input latency and be fine. Yeah, I guess if you live in Syria and your net cuts out every two seconds, maybe don't. Every household that can run Netflix can run this stupid crap.

Lots of well-adjusted adults played games when they were a kid and then grew out of it. It's easy to sell someone, who maybe already has a Prime subscription for streaming content, to drop $50 on a box and a controller if they want to try the newest Final Fantasy or Kingdom Hearts. In addition to this application, the tech has further uses for business application/development as well as the "metaverse" shit that big capital is obsessed with at the moment.

Pretty sure games are declining because retards pre-order shit like Cyberpunk2077, buy annualized refuse like Assassin's Creed and COD, and drop $60 on games bloated with microtransactions the day they drop because gotta consume gotta consume. Amazons and Googles - who don't even develop or produce games - developing tech that can make it easier for functional adults with a passing interest in a game to play it isn't why you've got those trends.

Good movies are just never gonna be a thing anymore, because Netflix exists. And no-one will ever buy movies ever again.
 
Deadwaste said:
i mean there is geforce now. the benefit with that is it's at least games you own on something like steam.
sidenote, its unlikely companies wont allow people to download games onto their pc period solely because of cloud streaming. this is a rather niche market, probably for people who want to get into gaming that isnt just mobile games or lightweight 2d games, but dont have the hardware to actually play the latest games. as such, this acts as an intermediary for them.
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You say that now, but eventually we will have robust enough networking and low enough latency to make it viable. If it doesn't happen in 20 years it'll happen in 40.
 
Turd Cow said:
Amazon have been shilling their own stadia clone Luna lately. Stadia failed but for some reason Jeff Bezo's here thought it was a good idea to introduce another "Cloud Gaming" thing after it's beta? Wondering how that's going along. Also, Luna doesn't work on Linux even though it's literally a video feed going through a web cilent.
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Well, Amazon does not have an extensive track record of making wise decisions in the gaming market, so it doesn't really surprise me that they're not able to see how they're walking off the same cliff Google has.
 
I guess I should have been more specific. The industry will have the technology to make this happen in major cities and metropolitan areas. You've seen how fast the 5G push has been right? Telecom alone has shown how quick they can set up entirely new systems when they want to do it, when they think it will be massively profitable. And the games industry will continue to pivot to the you own nothing model.
 
Toolbox said:
I guess I should have been more specific. The industry will have the technology to make this happen in major cities and metropolitan areas. You've seen how fast the 5G push has been right? Telecom alone has shown how quick they can set up entirely new systems when they want to do it, when they think it will be massively profitable. And the games industry will continue to pivot to the you own nothing model.
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much cheaper and easier to put a tower on top of something than putting the required cables into every building and flat.
 
ZMOT said:
much cheaper and easier to put a tower on top of something than putting the required cables into every building and flat.
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By all means I do agree, but towers still require connections directly to other towers. So there is still a lot of wiring being done in these situations, not just to power these things. Anyways, I believe some form of wireless connection is eventually going to be a shoehorned replacement for a lot of cable based devices, we've already seen it with wifi. And the telecom business is trying to advertise 5g like this, though I do not yet believe it capable.
 
Toolbox said:
By all means I do agree, but towers still require connections directly to other towers. So there is still a lot of wiring being done in these situations, not just to power these things. Anyways, I believe some form of wireless connection is eventually going to be a shoehorned replacement for a lot of cable based devices, we've already seen it with wifi. And the telecom business is trying to advertise 5g like this, though I do not yet believe it capable.
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it's one wire for the whole service area which you can just run down the outside of the building, plugging directly into the existing infrastructure. even in a suburb you'd still need to hook up every house individually for example.

ironically around 15 years ago when the internet was heavily booming I still remember quite a few wireless ISPs, especially in countries where the last mile was locked down by the (former) monopolistic telco. and while wireless has become faster and more advanced, it still sucks for certain applications, is prone to congestion (especially when people use it like a cable based service, imagine a whole block trying to stream 4k netflix in the evening) and more importantly is much more expensive with capped mobile data plans. and that's only if you can get 5g set up, which does have some pushback.

no doubt they gonna try it, even more so with 6g in the future (just look up all the retarded shit they want to hook up to that), but I expect reality is gonna look a lot different.
 
For once, I enjoy a Google product fully. I happen to be tubofucked for the last few years with access to any sort of non-low-end computer and cloud services helped me scratch that itch. I was on GeForce Now for almost a year but even with a 1Gbps connection in Ukraine, a capable router and a decent Wi-Fi chip in my computer, it still ran like crap often.

Now that I've moved to a different country because of the war - I've switched to Stadia and I'm enjoying how stable my experience is.
 
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Vince McMahon said:
For once, I enjoy a Google product fully. I happen to be tubofucked for the last few years with access to any sort of non-low-end computer and cloud services helped me scratch that itch. I was on GeForce Now for almost a year but even with a 1Gbps connection in Ukraine, a capable router and a decent Wi-Fi chip in my computer, it still ran like crap often.

Now that I've moved to a different country because of the war - I've switched to Stadia and I'm enjoying how stable my experience is.
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just learn nethack
by the time you're done humanity will have evolved beyond the need for computers
 
Stadia is being shut down.
blog.google

A message about Stadia and our long term streaming strategy

We’ve made the difficult decision to begin winding down our Stadia streaming service.
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Everyone is getting refunds at least.
We will be refunding all Stadia hardware purchases made through the Google Store, and all game and add-on content purchases made through the Stadia store. Players will continue to have access to their games library and play through January 18, 2023 so they can complete final play sessions. We expect to have the majority of refunds completed by mid-January, 2023.
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Kikkoman said:
Stadia is being shut down.
blog.google

A message about Stadia and our long term streaming strategy

We’ve made the difficult decision to begin winding down our Stadia streaming service.
blog.google
Everyone is getting refunds at least.
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Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust

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Hey, I'm gonna get you, too
Another one bites the dust
 
Miller said:
I wasn't expecting Google to issue refunds for every Stadia and game purchased.
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Every Stadia through the Google Store. If you were dumb enough to buy this at Target or Best Buy then you're out of luck.

No idea if they sold Stadia cards at those places, though.
 
Kikkoman said:
> We expect to have the majority of refunds completed by mid-January, 2023.
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I hate that bullshit. Doesn't take them more than a second or so to take your money, but suddenly it takes them 4 or 5 months to look up your purchases in their big database to issue refunds? A company as big as google doesn't have to worry about their payment processors flagging a million refunds as some kind of fuckup or hack, so there's no excuse for it taking this fucking long.

The "refunds processed within 7 days" make-money-on-the-float scam is well known and it's disappointing consumers have accepted it as inevitable, but taking months to issue electronic refunds is ridiculous.
 
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