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There was no such thing as a ‘Viking’ in the medieval period. Use of the term emerged in the 19th century. The word wicing occurred in Old English and víkingr in Old Icelandic, but were used very differently, to mean something like ‘pirate’. Academics nod to this when we assert that ‘viking’ was a job description rather than an ethnicity, but we don’t always take on board the full implications of this distinction. In Old Icelandic víkingr could be applied to any pirate regardless of where they came from or when, or what language they spoke; they might be Estonians or Saracens, for example. It is also noteworthy that it is almost never used to describe the people who we today call ‘Vikings’. Many of the men labelled ‘Vikings’ in textbooks and popular histories were warriors led by kings on military expeditions with clear political objectives, such as the Great Heathen Army that fought Alfred the Great or the Norwegian force that accompanied Harald Hardrada to his death at Stamford Bridge in 1066. Calling such people ‘Vikings’ would be like calling 18th century British, French or Dutch naval officers ‘pirates’ simply because they wore vaguely similar hats and sailed vaguely similar ships to Blackbeard.

The word ‘Viking’ seems to have entered modern English in the early 19th century, when medieval Icelandic literature was beginning to be translated into major European languages. Initially it was used in the original medieval sense, but by the 1860s it was starting to be used to describe all early medieval warriors from Scandinavia. The final development, the ‘ethnicisation’ of the word that allows the use of terms such as ‘Viking farms’, ‘Viking towns’ and ‘Viking women and children’, is much more recent and has gradually crept up since the Second World War. This is insidious; by linking military prowess and savagery to an entire ethnic group, it encourages its appropriation by racial supremacists.

No such thing


The issue with the term is not merely semantic. This conception of ‘the Vikings’ seriously distorts our understanding of European history. We have tended to group almost all Scandinavian activity between the 790s and the mid-11th century together under the ‘Viking’ label, creating a distinct ‘Viking Age’ and an imagined ‘Viking’ culture and identity. The evidence, however, does not support this analysis.

First, the Scandinavian homelands were extremely varied in environment, social structure and history. Denmark is flat and fertile, its islands cleared, by the year 800, of predators for millennia. It had a complex settlement pattern that was at least as sophisticated as anything found in England. Danish soldiers and settlers coming into ninth-century eastern England found landscape and settlement patterns very like those with which they were familiar and people who shared very similar economic and social structures. They were not savage barbarians penetrating a more civilised realm. The Danish lands had the greatest capacity to sustain population in Scandinavia and it is likely that the majority of Scandinavians lived in Denmark in this period. Norway, whose western fjords provide the stereotypical backdrop to the ‘Vikings’, was a relative backwater with a tiny population and was most important as a route, the ‘North Way’, to the Arctic regions and the luxury goods, such as furs and walrus ivory, that they provided.

Heathens


The surviving textual sources for the period all come from outside Scandinavia, but some fairly consistent patterns emerge. In the late eighth and the ninth century Irish, English and Frankish chronicles generally refer to Scandinavian aggressors as ‘heathens’ and this, rather than any ethnic identity, seems to have been what struck the victims of these attacks as significant. The 793 raid on Lindisfarne, often said to herald the ‘Viking Age’, is described in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle thus: ‘The ravages of heathen men miserably destroyed God’s church on Lindisfarne with plunder and slaughter.’ In the following year the Annals of Ulster recorded ‘the devastation of all the islands of Britain by the gentiles’.

The previous two or three centuries had witnessed what seemed to be the unstoppable growth of Christendom, both East and West. This had been interpreted as part of God’s plan and its apparent reversal caused consternation among the ecclesiastical writers who have provided us with the record. As Alcuin of York wrote: ‘Never before has such terror appeared in Britain as we have now suffered from a pagan people, nor was it thought that such an inroad from the sea could be made.’

From the surviving evidence from Britain and Ireland it is, at first, quite hard to distinguish opportunistic raiding, to which the term ‘Viking’ might have been applied by contemporaries, from political action. The attack on Lindisfarne is often presented as an opportunistic raid, but in fact the force that executed it remained in Northumbria over the winter and was defeated in a pitch battle the following year, some of their ships having been destroyed by a storm.

The Carolingian sources clearly distinguish diplomatic and military interaction between the Franks and the Danish kings from seaborne raids, over which the latter had little or no control. The Royal Frankish Annals record Charlemagne establishing a fleet and coastal defences against pirates in 800, for example. But by the later ninth century most of the recorded action in the British Isles seems to be political and led by kings looking to conquer territory.

The decades around 900 see polities established by Scandinavian dynasties in Britain and Normandy and the adoption of Christianity by their leaders at least. Contemporary sources cease to describe the attackers as ‘heathens’ and tend to name leaders and refer to armies by their place of residence, whether that be East Anglia or Dublin.

In about 903, shortly after the contested start of Edward the Elder’s reign, for example, the Chronicle tells us that his cousin and rival Æthelwold ‘induced the army among the East Angles to break the peace and they harried over all Mercia until ... they crossed the Thames’. Eventually they were pursued home and their king, Eohric, was killed. East Anglia was, at this date, part of the Danelaw. This group’s forebears had come to Britain from Scandinavia in 865 and they had been settled in East Anglia for more than 20 years, so it is likely that Eohric and most of his warriors had been born and brought up in England as Christians.

The ‘Viking’ dynasty that ruled Dublin and contested rule of Northumbria with the descendants of Alfred in the tenth century were descended from men who had left Scandinavia in the middle of the ninth century. On the maternal side most of them probably had local ancestors. They had very little in common in behaviour, genetics or belief systems with the raiders of the 790s. Indeed one of their greatest kings, Óláfr Cúarán, who had at times been king in Northumbria as well as Dublin, retired to the monastery of Iona in 980. At least one of his granddaughters was a nun.

Age old


What is usually seen as the final phase of the ‘Viking Age’, from the 990s to the 1070s, saw military and diplomatic relations between Christian kings in both the West and in Scandinavia. By this date Denmark at least had become part of Latin Christendom. Characterising a ruler like Cnut as a ‘Viking’ is nonsensical. He attended the imperial coronation of Conrad II in Rome in 1027 and founded and endowed churches across both his English and Danish realms. Similarly, Harald Hardrada, often termed ‘the last of the Vikings’, was the brother of a saint and spent much of his career in Byzantium. His invasion of England in 1066 was a political action in which he was supported by factions within the kingdom he was invading. Eleventh-century Scandinavian kings such as Cnut and Harald had far more in common with their successors in the 12th and 13th century than they had with eighth- and ninth-century heathen raiders.

Sporadic seaborne raiding on Britain and Ireland by small groups unconnected to any political or military action continued into the 12th century. Indeed, activity of this sort, classic ‘Viking’ behaviour, is perhaps more characteristic of this later period than it is of what we might consider the ‘Viking Age’ proper. These raiders originated from the Scandinavian diaspora in the Scottish islands. Hebrideans, and even Orcadians, like the infamous Sveinn Ásleifarson, plagued the coast of Ireland and western Britain for a century after the Norman Conquest; it was only the English invasion of Ireland that put an end to it. The Western Isles in particular had little capacity for supporting anything beyond subsistence farming and predation on rich lands was the key to local chieftains maintaining their position at home.

Goodbye!


The construct of the ‘Vikings’ conflates and blurs the distinction between eighth- and 12th-century pirates. Tenth-century kings based in Dublin and Christian rulers such as Cnut, all of whom lived in very different societies, had different belief systems and political and economic objectives. Each of these contexts needs to be dealt with on its own terms and not within a 19th-century construct that has more than a hint of racist essentialism to it. It is high time that historians, both academic and popular, ditched the Vikings as an outmoded and dangerous way of thinking. The Vikings never existed; it is time to put this unhealthy fantasy to bed.


Alex Woolf is a senior lecturer in History at the University of St Andrews.
 
Is this just the left lashing out at masculine entertainment again?
Pretty sure it is. Yes, Vikings were pirates, yes they did terrible things, but most people don't know or care, they just think axes, mead, Odin, and Thor are cool.
 
Why do some people worship the vikings so much? They were a bunch of inbred, mushroom-piss drinking savages who raided unarmed villages and monasteries because they got their guts stomped in when they faced a real army, and eventually cucked out to the Catholic Church when they got offered land that wasn't in a frozen hellscape.

Some "fearsome warrior culture" they were, basically just being the Medieval-era's version of Somali pirates.
From the heterosexual female perspective once you just ignore lack of modern hygiene standards like you do with anything historical, then it becomes about the 6’8” Hemsworths in your head.

Inside every straight woman resides the instinctive understanding that when the shit hits the fan, our best bet is to somehow prove our value to the Kurgan.

Inside every lesbian too of course, they just don’t repurpose it into romantic fantasies as cope, since they are lesbians.
 
From the heterosexual female perspective once you just ignore lack of modern hygiene standards like you do with anything historical, then it becomes about the 6’8” Hemsworths in your head.

Inside every straight woman resides the instinctive understanding that when the shit hits the fan, our best bet is to somehow prove our value to the Kurgan.

Inside every lesbian too of course, they just don’t repurpose it into romantic fantasies as cope, since they are lesbians.
That's a pretty high bar for you to get over. Ibn Fadlan describes the hygiene of the Swedes and its pretty gross.

Based on Ibn Fadlans description, the Swedes would take a large basin to wash themselves every morning. the chief would go first, make his ablutions, inluding spitting and rinsing their teetg. Next would go the next man in the hierarchy, and so on until twenty or so guys "washed" themselves, all while never changing the water. I tend to believe this is probably accurate, as the rest of his description of the Northern peoples is pretty accurate.
 
Yes, youre hyping them up as great thinkers. What are their contributions to church doctrine, especially if they are as you seem to imply equivalent in stature to Aquinas?
>asking of a description of the "giants" on whose shoulders Aquinas more than a little imperfectly stood
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  • Athanasius the Great was the one of the foremost, if not the premier defender of the doctrine of Christ's divinity and-- broadly-- that of the Trinity, to the point that Hilary of Poiters is sometimes termed "the Athanasius of the West" when not called the "Arian Hammer".
    • He was one of those responsible for adapting for orthodox belief the concept of homoousion (which was originally used by Gnostics and the Sabellians, but is rendered in orthodox theology to describe how the Father/Son/Holy Spirit are of the same "essence"/being while not being the same exact "entity") in order to more systematically articulate what was belief embedded in the worship and theology of the Church but was thitherto not systematized. He was, accordingly, a major contributor to the the Nicene Creed.
      • The Cappadocian Fathers-- Gregory of Nyssa, Gregory of Nazianzus, and Basil the Great-- further develop the doctrine, such that the Christian can summarize it as "one ousia in three hypostases", or "one Essence in three Persons").
    • He was also responsible for the simplification of the Arian controversy as one between those who affirmed Christ's divinity and those who denied it (whereas, prior to, all Arians were playing all kinds of footsies with the Son and the Creator-creature dividing line, suggesting that he was a "very special being" that was "close" to the Creator-creature line but still a creature).
    • He was responsible for successfully making the case to the Church of Rome that it should include the Epistle to the Hebrews in its canon list.
    • He penned Anthony the Great's vita. Speaking of whom...
  • Anthony the Great's vita was responsible for introducing the concept of Christian monasticism to Europe overall (but particularly western Europe) while inspiring many future ascetics.
  • Benedict of Nursia formulated what's now known as the "Rule of Saint Benedict", developing western Christian monasticism so much and so singlehandedly to the point that he's considered by some to be its father, said Rule having been used among various religious communities in western Europe.
  • John Cassian's leverage of Psalm 70, verse 2 as something "absolutely necessary for possessing the perpetual awareness of God" was integrated into St. Benedict's Rule and is also used in the Roman Church's Liturgy of the Hours to this day.
    • He also had a hand in defending the doctrine of Christ as the God-man inasmuch as He bears a fully united divine nature and human nature-- in opposition to Nestorianism (which suggested a separation between Christ's divinity and humanity so radical that "the Son" and "Jesus" could be considered two different "entities", the former merely residing in the latter Nestorius claimed his teaching was orthodox but couldn't bring himself to say "God-bearer").
      • Though, he wasn't as premier in combating Nestorianism as Cyril of Alexandria.
  • John Climacus, or "John of the Ladder" is responsible for the "Ladder", which was originally made for monks but ended up enjoying broader usage (especially in the Orthodox tradition) as a guide for Lent.
  • John of Damascus was the foremost defender of the use of icons during the associated controversy, and also was a significant developer of icon theology, casting iconography as an affirmation of the Incarnation, as Christ is God in the flesh and thus has a depictable form.
    • He was also responsible for the first systematization of Orthodox theology, which influenced later Scholastic works.
  • Maximus the Confessor was the foremost defender of the doctrine of Christ as the God-man, inasmuch as He bears a completely united human will and a divine will-- this was against monotheletism, which posited He only possessed a divine will.
  • Isidor of Seville, along with his family, had major responsibility in converting the Visigoths from Arianism to Christianity.
 
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>asking of a description of the "giants" on whose shoulders Aquinas more than a little imperfectly stood
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  • Athanasius the Great was the one of the foremost, if not the premier defender of the doctrine of Christ's divinity and-- broadly-- that of the Trinity, to the point that Hilary of Poitersis sometimes termed "the Athanasius of the West" when not called the "Arian Hammer".
    • He was one of those responsible for adapting for orthodox belief the concept of homoousion(which was originally used by Gnostics and the Sabellians, but is rendered in orthodox theology to describe how the Father/Son/Holy Spirit are of the same "essence"/being while not being the same exact "entity") in order to more systematically articulate what was belief embedded in the worship and theology of the Church but was hitherto unsystematized.
      • The Cappadocian Fathers-- Gregory of Nyssa, Gregory of Nazianzus, and Basil the Great-- further develop the doctrine, such that the Christian can summarize it as "one ousia in three hypostases", or "one Essence in three Persons").
    • He was also responsible for the simplification of the Arian controversy as one between those who affirmed Christ's divinity and those who denied it (whereas, prior to, all Arians were playing all kinds of footsies with the Son and the Creator-creature dividing line, suggesting that he was a "very special being" that was "close" to the Creator-creature line but still a creature).
    • He was responsible for successfully making the case to the Church of Rome that it should include the Epistle to the Hebrews in its canon list.
    • He penned Anthony the Great's vita. Speaking of whom...
  • Anthony the Great's vita was responsible for introducing the concept of Christian monasticism to Europe overall (but particularly western Europe) while inspiring many future ascetics.
  • Benedict of Nursia formulated what's now known as the "Rule of Saint Benedict", developing western Christian monasticism so much and so singlehandedly to the point that he's considered by some to be its father, said Rule having been used among various religious communities in western Europe.
  • John Cassian's leverage of Psalm 70, verse 2 as something "absolutely necessary for possessing the perpetual awareness of God" was integrated into St. Benedict's Rule and is also used in the Roman Church's Liturgy of the Hours to this day.
    • He also had a hand in defending the doctrine of Christ as the God-man, completely man and completely God-- in opposition to Nestorianism (which suggested a separation between Christ's divinity and humanity so radical that "the Son" and "Jesus" could be considered two different "entities", the former merely residing in the latter Nestorius claimed his teaching was orthodox but couldn't bring himself to say "God-bearer").
      • Though, he wasn't as premier in combating Nestorianism as Cyril of Alexandria.
  • John Climacus, or "John of the Ladder" is responsible for the "Ladder", which was originally made for monks but ended up enjoying broader usage (especially in the Orthodox tradition) as a guide for Lent.
  • John of Damascus was the foremost defender of the use of icons during the associated controversy, and also was a significant developer of icon theology, casting iconography as an affirmation of the Incarnation, as Christ is God in the flesh and thus has a depictable form.
    • He was also responsible for the first systematization of Orthodox theology, which influenced later Scholastic works.
  • Maximus the Confessor was the foremost defender of the doctrine of Christ as the God-man, inasmuch as He bore a completely united human will and a divine will-- this was against the Christology wherein He only possessed a divine will.
  • Isidor of Seville, along with his family, had major responsibility in converting the Visigoths from Arianism to Christianity.
Ironic that you would consider polemicists dealing with the internal squabbling among Christian sects to be equivalent in value to producing documentation of the societies in which these people lived, writung great historical works, or even founding a philosophical movement that would shape medieval Christian thought for centuries.
 
There's something admirable in most early seafaring cultures. They managed to reliably navigate back and forth from Scandinavia all the way to Iceland, then Greenland, and even Labrador, just by looking at the stars and the sun and rudimentary compass bearings and dead reckoning. They managed to sustain settlements in all those lands for centuries, no mean feat given the climatic conditions and the population attrition.
Those contributions are admirable, but I feel that people forget that some of the greatest achievements of Nordic society came after Christianization. Leif Erickson founded Vinland, which may have been the first European settlement in the Americas, and that voyage may have originated as a mission trip following Leif's conversion. Harald Bluetooth expanded Denmark's borders and converted the people. The list goes on, and the success of the pagan raiders becomes somewhat overblown by Vargtards ignoring the glory that was Christian Scandinavia.
 
Article in a nutshell: The Viking Age is a nuanced period of history and it wasn't just all raid this, raid that. I am sorry to Alex Woolf but "Vikings" and "Viking Age" are pretty useful broad terms. What's next, some historian thinks the Dark Ages should get its name changed because it wasn't a time of economic, intellectual and cultural decline for everyone?
For these people it's less about acknowledging naunce and more about dismantling the roots of European heritage. White people cannot be allowed to look back into the past for inspiration, myth is a powerful tool against the people who want to kill you and rape your kids.
 
Vikings are cringe, they are basically white niggers that are worshipped by both soyboys and alt righters for ironically the exact reason - superficial coolness and wisdom, and a lot of cope around non-existant manhood.
 
That's a pretty high bar for you to get over. Ibn Fadlan describes the hygiene of the Swedes and its pretty gross.

Based on Ibn Fadlans description, the Swedes would take a large basin to wash themselves every morning. the chief would go first, make his ablutions, inluding spitting and rinsing their teetg. Next would go the next man in the hierarchy, and so on until twenty or so guys "washed" themselves, all while never changing the water. I tend to believe this is probably accurate, as the rest of his description of the Northern peoples is pretty accurate.
Yeah just like…the entire historical romance genre requires high levels of cope and Not Noticing Things to get you through.

Also in this specific scenario we clearly envision ourselves as Chosen by the Chief lol.
 
Why do some people worship the vikings so much? They were a bunch of inbred, mushroom-piss drinking savages who raided unarmed villages and monasteries because they got their guts stomped in when they faced a real army, and eventually cucked out to the Catholic Church when they got offered land that wasn't in a frozen hellscape.

Some "fearsome warrior culture" they were, basically just being the Medieval-era's version of Somali pirates.
Funnily enough, this is the one thing the article kinda disproves: The vikings were much more than simple raiders.
 
Ironic that you would consider polemicists dealing with the internal squabbling among Christian sects to be equivalent in value to--
No, piss off.

This entire exchange--start to finish-- is you, for reasons unknowable to man, worming around the reality that the early Middle Ages wasn't a developmental dead zone the likes you want to insist upon.

You ask for thinkers and philosophers, and you're given a smattering of them and a reference to a collection of more of them.

You ask for their contributions to """global culture""" and-- despite the blatant goalpost moving-- you're given a sound response.

You specifically ask for the contributions to church doctrine of the people I listed, and-- despite the fact that it's completely retarded to suggest that Aquinas is of "greater stature" than his predecessors that dogmatized and otherwise developed the doctrines from which he and his church operate-- I go into painstaking detail about all their contributions to church doctrine, and more.

You proceed to dismiss people responsible for formulating the same normative doctrinal thought that Aquinas relies upon, as "polemicists dealing with internal squabbling" (because whether the God they worship is indeed God is a trifle, and apologia/polemic doesn't require argument/counter-argument that is necessarily the development of doctrine) and bind it with an insultingly stupid allegation of irony just so you don't have to acknowledge that I properly answered your challenge-- an entirely unnecessary effort, since it would have been more than sufficient to call you retarded for not recognizing that a 13th century Christian theologian is necessarily standing on the shoulders of a multitude of giants.
 
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That's a pretty high bar for you to get over. Ibn Fadlan describes the hygiene of the Swedes and its pretty gross.

Based on Ibn Fadlans description, the Swedes would take a large basin to wash themselves every morning. the chief would go first, make his ablutions, inluding spitting and rinsing their teetg. Next would go the next man in the hierarchy, and so on until twenty or so guys "washed" themselves, all while never changing the water. I tend to believe this is probably accurate, as the rest of his description of the Northern peoples is pretty accurate.
Should probably be noted that Ibn Fadlan encountered these people in Volga Bulgaria and that they were Rus vikings. Just calling them swedes is actually confusing.
 
No, piss off.

This entire exchange--start to finish-- is you, for reasons unknowable to man, worming around the reality that the early Middle Ages wasn't a developmental dead zone the likes you want to insist upon.

You ask for thinkers and philosophers, and you're given a smattering of them and a reference to a collection of more of them.

You ask for their contributions to """global culture""" and-- despite the blatant goalpost moving-- you're given a sound response.

You specifically ask for the contributions to church doctrine of the people I listed, and-- despite the fact that it's completely retarded to suggest that Aquinas is of "greater stature" than his predecessors that dogmatized and otherwise developed the doctrines from which he and his church operate-- I go into painstaking detail about all their contributions to church doctrine, and more.

You proceed to dismiss people responsible for formulating the same normative doctrinal thought that Aquinas relies upon, as "polemicists dealing with internal squabbling" (because whether the God they worship is indeed God is a trifle, and apologia/polemic doesn't require argument/counter-argument that is necessarily the development of doctrine) and bind it with an insultingly stupid allegation of irony just so you don't have to acknowledge that I properly answered your challenge-- an entirely unnecessary effort, since it would have been more than sufficient to call you retarded for not recognizing that a 13th century Christian theologian is necessarily standing on the shoulders of a multitude of giants.
And Socrates borrowed heavily from philosophers before him, yet there's a reason why he's considered more important than they are. Again, it doesn't really detract from my original point that the development of the 6th and 7th Century was stunted, since everything you mentioned, while requiring the efforts of accomplished people, ultimately didn't serve more than provide philosophical underpinnings to greater men who followed. And yes, these are internal squabbles among competing sects. I clearly struck a nerve since I'm questioning your faith, but arguably everything you describe is engaging in polemical battles rather than creating entirely new schools of thought. You hang onto certain slip ups like it completely invalidates my argument, even though my point remains that these thinkers weren't nearly as influential as you'd like to pretend they were. Even me asking you to go into excruciating detail about them suggests that they're not that important, since if they were they'd clearly be at least as well known to educated secular people as Paul, St Augustine, or Aquinas.
 
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