Global Depression 2022 - Time to do the Breadline Boogaloo!

[Falcos_Commisar]

Sorry for double post, but the Aral Sea disaster was caused by the exact opposite of a degrowth mentality. The Soviets had really bizarre opinions about crops and agricultural science - see Lysenkoism and what they did to one of the greatest botanists of all time, Nikolai Vavilov, who ironically starved to death after his research saved millions from starvation. The Soviets refused to accept natural limits imposed on their growth, they thought that they could use the force of their ideology to bend nature to their will and force their nation to ascendancy. They basically ignored Bacon's maxim that nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed. They did the exact thing that I just ranted about - they took land that was traditionally pasture for a very good reason and transitioned it to irrigated farmland in order to fuel heavier population growth and resource output in the region. In the short term it worked, but the area was an endorheic basin - every gallon of water they drew off the Amu Darya was one less that flowed into the Aral Sea. The sea wasn't filled in, the amount of water flowing in was simply decreased until the salinity skyrocketed, the sea shrunk down to almost nothing, and all the fish died, destroying the economic sustenance of hundreds of communities along its shores. Israel is in the process of doing the exact same thing to the Dead Sea today, in order to support a huge population influx that the land can't sustain long term.

Exactly. The USSR and the CCP currently treated and continue to treat the environment like utter shit. Too bad if you say something some white eco warrior who loves.kff a trust fund will call you racist.

As for the Dead sea, Israel is trying to feed it with desalinated water pipes in from the Med... We'll see.

They also have to deal with the Jordanians not giving a shit about their side of the dead sea.

And there in lies one of my frustrations with this whole "green energy" fad. The people who should be going green, the people who also tend to push it the most, and the exact people that refuse to do it.

I once heard a statistic that 80% of vehicle journeys are single occupant, no cargo, distance of under 10 miles. I don't think that's completely true, but if we assume it's at least partially true, there's obvious solutions like motorbikes and mobility scooters, but these are often rejected.

My point is, Karen who is only doing the school run and the weekly shop doesn't need a huge American style SUV that gets less than ten miles to the gallon, and her husband doesn't need a second one just to get to the office. Both could do just as well with a bike or mobility scooter. The possible exception is the school run, though in many cases I don't see why they don't walk, and if they must drive they'd be better suited with an estate or even a small 5 door.

I hear all kinds of excuse like "my drive is kind of steep" or "I need the space", but none of these stand up to scrutiny.


Which brings me back to biofuels. For someone who like me who would use a vehicle infrequently, or for the Karens who use cars as status symbols instead of practical tools, biofuels would be perfectly usable. It shouldn't be a complete replacement for everyone, but massive population centers, why not? Save the high end and finite fuels for those that can actually use them.

When it's 90F+ outside you don't want to be buzzing around on a Vespa. I will say that a V8 SUV or truck for short trips is absolutely ridiculous.

Biofuels using waste or GMO algae or switchgrass is excellent. Too bad it lets people keep using combustion engines so greens hate them.

For a while in the early 2000's, there were some companies that were experimenting with 3-wheelers (2 front, 1 large drive in back) that had fully-enclosed sedan interiors and super-high MPG and performance with a sticker between 9k and 10k.
They were classified as "motorcycles" so were exempt from most "car" regulations.
I'm pretty sure the government killed them by either extending regs to them or other chicanery.

As it stands the only one I can find these days is the Polaris Slingshot - the damn thing is just as sexy as the concept cars I mentioned above but has no enclosed cabin and is a whopping $21.5 thousand.

Innovations like this that have the potential to improve our standard of living by making essentials much cheaper are smothered in the cradle every year.

Efficient car shapes have been known for decades. Kammback or teardrop shaped.

Every carmaker on earth should be going full bore into hybrids and PHEVs but only Toyota, the Koreans, and sorta Ford are like that.

Everyone else is retarded and chasing the 100% EV future.

See GM, had a great hybrid powertrain they.... Stopped making in 2020 and refused to put into their best selling little SUVs.

 

[dustbuster]

Every carmaker on earth should be going full bore into hybrids

Absolutely not.
They are boondoggles whose expense and environmental impact both exceed that of a standard internal combustion vehicle over the standard lifespan of 150,000 miles.
The batteries cost upwards of 10,000 dollars to replace and have the same lifespan as any cell phone battery.

The hybrid craze is part of what is driving the price of vehicles up (any hybrid with a dead battery is essentially "totaled" and removed from the market, contracting supply)

Smaller form-factor commuters made sense but were obviously annihilated by regulation to protect incumbents.
Chevy can't compete with "new half-motorcycle x" that costs 1/5 as much to buy, fuel, and insure.

We don't have a "depression" here, we have an "oppression".
We're not allowed to make what people actually need because incumbents don't want you to have a cheaper alternative to their rent-seeking.

 

[Rendang]

They care so much about the environment.

Out of all the activists, these "eco-warriors" are probably the most despairing and blinded people I have ever met. When they speak about overpopulation, it's as if they are describing humanity as an invasive species, that nature has to be pristinely separated from us to maintain order. Nature is apparently fragile, and will break to the whiff of exploitation, so hunting is bad as it disrupts the "natural" order (despite us annihilating the wolf population for public safety), and picking the wild carrots (a naturalized species from Europe) will suddenly destroy the plains. And yet, our cities are often vacant with native wildlife and plants, and infested with foreign plants, and they don't even bat an eye.

It's maddening to see someone so blind to simple ways to help conserve nature, from encouraging fungal growth by throwing caps across massive streams of pavement, to enjoyably annihilating invasive species through uprooting and systemic herbicide. Yet, we have a generation too diluted to truly value human life and ecological life.

 

[derpherp2]

$1 is under 100 calories of fast food
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Oh god I think I understand why these dumb faggots are overpricing now, they're not pricing per "serving" they're pricing per 2kcal.

20 bucks for 5 shitty burgers sounds like way too much money, but 20 bucks per day doesn't sound TOO expensive. They're literally upcharging lard and fry oil because muh supply issue.

 

[moocow]

I hear all kinds of excuse like "my drive is kind of steep" or "I need the space", but none of these stand up to scrutiny.

That's a bunch of horseshit. Wake me up when you've convinced wealthy people to trade in their private jets for seats in coach on regional rail and then we can talk about whether I can have an enclosed air-conditioned space for the 15 mile trip to and from work every day.

 

[The Ugly One]

Out of all the activists, these "eco-warriors" are probably the most despairing and blinded people I have ever met. When they speak about overpopulation, it's as if they are describing humanity as an invasive species, that nature has to be pristinely separated from us to maintain order. Nature is apparently fragile, and will break to the whiff of exploitation, so hunting is bad as it disrupts the "natural" order (despite us annihilating the wolf population for public safety), and picking the wild carrots (a naturalized species from Europe) will suddenly destroy the plains. And yet, our cities are often vacant with native wildlife and plants, and infested with foreign plants, and they don't even bat an eye.

It's maddening to see someone so blind to simple ways to help conserve nature, from encouraging fungal growth by throwing caps across massive streams of pavement, to enjoyably annihilating invasive species through uprooting and systemic herbicide. Yet, we have a generation too diluted to truly value human life and ecological life.

The problem is that for every species of lib, including environmentalists, loyalty to the Party trumps any particular cause. The Party says that cash handouts to their favorite Silicon Valley VCs for electric car boondoggles is important, and having more trees in urban areas (which does far more to reduce electricity use during hot summer days than solar panels do) is not important, so that's what environmentalists believe.

 

[SpergRush]

For same reason I don't see future crash prone AI clad Teslas, a company which tanked twice on wall street. Mostpeople here pointed out the fact EVs can't handle heat and cold, let's say Alaska, US Canada border or colder winters. Texas, Utah and Arizona, EV batteries are from green either, since they need rare earths, spent lithium can't be recycled and other compotent have to be junked. Not only big companies fellate green dick, people who drive EVs drive cars that can't be driven indefinetly or jalopied. Every oh so green Amazon EV van will end up in a graveyard, ones that we see in China today.
Alcohol and other bio fuels can be applied in other setups, for example domestic generators with carbon filters on exhaust.

EVs need entirely new network to be built, wasting even more resources, charging stations, etc. We're talking losses in billions and many cases of buyer's remorse.

When the US decided to satiate the corn demon by adding ethanol to fuel there were tons of problems with older vehicles because none of the rubber used

This isn't really the case. Alcohol fuels can actually hit slightly higher thermal efficiency than petroleum the problem is they have about half the btus. If a straight gas>alc conversion is done fuel consumption roughly doubles. If the engine is optimized for alc, ie higher compression ratio, then it might be 70% of the fuel eff of gas. But for a given displacement alc can hit a higher HP than gas.

Thats why every top fuel dragster is running nitromethan+meth.

If everything collapses and the gas stations are empty, can i just distill my own fuel and be the only mad max on the block?

 

[Freedom Fighter]

How about this? I just simply want my fucking car and my truck. I don't really give a damn what anyone else thinks of what I "need" because its none of their fucking business.

The AMC Eagle continues to be the perfect automobile. Lifted, 4WD, Eco friendly* four cylinder and a real work of art!

Also comes in Coupe, and Station Wagon flavors.

 

[Rei is Shit.]

If everything collapses and the gas stations are empty, can i just distill my own fuel and be the only mad max on the block?

The smartest option in a economic collapse is conversion to wood gas. This was done on a large scale in europe during WW2, even big stuff like doubledecker buses were converted.

Best of all its completely carbon neutral!

https://www.driveonwood.com/library/free-gasifier-plans/

 

[Glowie]

Exactly. The USSR and the CCP currently treated and continue to treat the environment like utter shit. Too bad if you say something some white eco warrior who loves.kff a trust fund will call you racist.

As for the Dead sea, Israel is trying to feed it with desalinated water pipes in from the Med... We'll see.

They also have to deal with the Jordanians not giving a shit about their side of the dead sea.

Speaking of which China's "green energy" sector ties to global recession topic and supposedly pollution free manufacturing sector.

Electric vehicles gather dust in factories or are dumped in EV graveyards, creating fire hazard and prove how much raw resources commies wasted on a grift. CCP doesn't even bother to start recycling those cars (they can't recycle anyway)

US and EU is decoupling and moving away from China to India, Vietnam, Philippines and US for local factories. Just look at Chinks who are living on streets and literal pods as a result, every sector is fucked and overproduction is so rampant that everything made in China is shipped to everywhere for free and they pay customs fees. Shit like Temu is operating at a loss.

China lost their status as industry powerhouse due to Xi's paranoia and retardation. Just like any given commie and commie sympathetic autocrat who are hell bent to permafuck global supply lines with their delusional crusades and saber rattling over Ukraine and Taiwan respectively. I've been posting, following and cataloging fuck ups both Russia and China both who in their infinite wisdom manage to mismanage everything.

Economically illiterate retards keep claiming that BRICS countries are the future, most of the BRICS countries produce two things Jack and Shit. To top of it all crude oil reserves are slowly running dry, Saudi Arabia cut their exports due to the fact they cannot sustain oil pumping at the same rate, those oil reserves will run dry in few decades, Russia is facing same problem. United States still has untapped Alaska. There's a reason why multiple countries that depend on crude oil to back up their economy are making a rush to Antarctica, not giving a shit about massive pockets of methane trapped inside permafrost. Developed world is well off compared to developing world, latter has research sectors, self sufficiency and not going full retard like nations who are willingly ruining their economies and environments with little to no foresight.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

If everything collapses and the gas stations are empty, can i just distill my own fuel and be the only mad max on the block?

Yes. The ATF even issues fuel permits you can use to distill 10K gallons of fuel per year. It's yet another reason biofuel is superior since it reduces/eliminates the lengthy supply chains that petroleum/LNG use.

China lost their status as industry powerhouse due to Xi's paranoia and retardation. Just like any given commie and commie sympathetic autocrat who are hell bent to permafuck global supply lines with their delusional crusades and saber rattling over Ukraine and Taiwan respectively. I've been posting, following and cataloging fuck ups both Russia and China both who in their infinite wisdom manage to mismanage everything.

Last time I checked, China is still the leading industrial powerhouse of the world and their mining sector is still exporting a fuckton of rare earth metals, solar panels, etc. It was the US and their Ukrainian vassal state which messed up global supply lines thanks to ill-advised sanctions that did little to the Russian economy but made rampant inflation (created also by the Wuflu lockdowns, not done in Russia or Belarus) worse and caused cost of living to skyrocket. I mean who would've thought that sanctioning one of the leading oil producers would disrupt supply chains?

Economically illiterate retards keep claiming that BRICS countries are the future, most of the BRICS countries produce two things Jack and Shit. To top of it all crude oil reserves are slowly running dry, Saudi Arabia cut their exports due to the fact they cannot sustain oil pumping at the same rate, those oil reserves will run dry in few decades, Russia is facing same problem. United States still has untapped Alaska. There's a reason why multiple countries that depend on crude oil to back up their economy are making a rush to Antarctica, not giving a shit about massive pockets of methane trapped inside permafrost. Developed world is well off compared to developing world, latter has research sectors, self sufficiency and not going full retard like nations who are willingly ruining their economies and environments with little to no foresight.

Most of Russia's oil fields are barely used. They still are discovering new fields in parts of Siberia no more remote than those parts of Alaska. Unlike the US, there is no environmental movement in Russia blocking the building of export terminals. And let's do the math--Alaska is 1.7 million km2, but that's about size of single geological regions barely tapped for oil as of now like the Tunguska Basin in central/northern Siberia. As for infrastructure, the Russian government has increasingly been building roads in Siberia to tap these resources, especially for the Chinese market.

Nobody is making a rush to Antarctica lol because the price for oil would have to be an order magnitude higher to justify the expense of developing the Weddell Sea (apparently the most accessible oil field in Antarctica), although Saudi Arabia and the UAE is doing a bunch of research on solar energy which looks promising since those nations genuinely don't have a future without oil. And while South Africa is a 100% fucked affirmative action shithole (just like America), they have the world's largest artificial fuel plant in the still mostly white city of Secunda.

The developed world on the other hand barely produces anything. You won't find much "made in America", at best you'll have a few parts made in America, or it's assembled in America from third world parts (or maybe Taiwanese lol). Same deal with Europe. It's clear that the West is just as corrupt as Russia and China (and they stash the money in Ukraine and do shit like use cryptocurrency exchanges like FTX as money laundering tools) and for all the nepotism that goes on in the latter two countries, the West has concepts like "affirmative action" and letting in gorillions of mostly illiterate, diseased (they are behind large rises of zika, measles, malaria, chikungunya, dengue, bubonic plague, and typhoid fever in recent years) rapefugees from Central America, Africa, etc. Import the third world, become the third world.

 

[Glowie]

Last time I checked, China is still the leading industrial powerhouse of the world and their mining sector is still exporting a fuckton of rare earth metals, solar panels, etc. It was the US and their Ukrainian vassal state which messed up global supply lines thanks to ill-advised sanctions that did little to the Russian economy but made rampant inflation (created also by the Wuflu lockdowns, not done in Russia or Belarus) worse and caused cost of living to skyrocket. I mean who would've thought that sanctioning one of the leading oil producers would disrupt supply chains?

Incorrect, thanks to deflation, three typhoons, youth unemployment at 23% disagree, not mention China's real estate market and workers can't afford live in big cities
Is your YouTube blocked bro or are you upset over the fact that socialism and BRICS with their funny money plan and utter lack of industry is getting screwed over by inept autocrats. Oh you should check the new variant that CCP's cooking up in pod people apartments. It takes decades go recover from three typhoons on top diseases and poverty.
You're living in 70s. China has issues producing li-ion batteries big or small on top of agricultural produce. Socialist tradition of failing utterly lives on. Even people in Shanghai who had exodus of foreigners affected local economy and Xi's espionage laws that allow corrupt CCP ham on companies that keep those factories open and employed. Are you still living in first quarter of this year?

Chinese economy is fucked, people are ravaged by typhoon, new Corona strain, food shortages and corrupt local governments that are in deep debt.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Incorrect, thanks to deflation, three typhoons, youth unemployment at 23% disagree, not mention China's real estate market and workers can't afford live in big cities
Is your YouTube blocked bro or are you upset over the fact that socialism and BRICS with their funny money plan and utter lack of industry is getting screwed over by inept autocrats. Oh you should check the new variant that CCP's cooking up in pod people apartments. It takes decades go recover from three typhoons on top diseases and poverty.

Let's get the actual stats from the US government and not just random talking heads who probably are paid CIA shills. Trade between the US and China recovered to pre-scamdemic levels in 2021, and in 2022 rose another 8% so has now, as Beijing Biden has intended, recovered from the Trump Trade War era. The fact you think it takes decades to recover from typhoons is hilarious.

You're living in 70s. China has issues producing li-ion batteries big or small on top of agricultural produce. Socialist tradition of failing utterly lives on. Even people in Shanghai who had exodus of foreigners affected local economy and Xi's espionage laws that allow corrupt CCP ham on companies that keep those factories open and employed. Are you still living in first quarter of this year?

Chinese economy is fucked, people are ravaged by typhoon, new Corona strain, food shortages and corrupt local governments that are in deep debt.

What agricultural produce? You mean like rice, which China exported over a billion dollars worth of in 2022? China has 100% food security, their only challenge is getting the meat to feed the population which is why they buy so much the farmland in Australia, Canada, and the US. Or lithium-ion batteries, like the same sort China produces over 70% of the world's supply including 6 of the 10 largest firms, the rare-earth metals inside the batteries, and ever-increasing influence in lithium producing nations?

You literally have no idea what you're talking about and are the epitome of "garbage in, garbage out." You probably have some pathological fear of Chinamen because your mother told you the CCP stole her kidney (the truth that was she was retarded and had to sell it was too embarassing) and you have to consoom a diet of CIA-funded nonsense from Falun Gong (CIA front group) to ease your fears.

 

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TL;DR communists will ruin nature and will leave you starving and broke. Communism is very definition of failure.

Then they'll blame you for it. "You didn't work hard enough for my shitty ideas." "We were sabotaged by the countries that didn't do our stupid shit and succeeded instead." etc etc. But don't worry, they'll get their top minds on finding out an excuse as to why it didn't work and why it'll totally work next time.

Out of all the activists, these "eco-warriors" are probably the most despairing and blinded people I have ever met. When they speak about overpopulation, it's as if they are describing humanity as an invasive species, that nature has to be pristinely separated from us to maintain order. Nature is apparently fragile, and will break to the whiff of exploitation, so hunting is bad as it disrupts the "natural" order (despite us annihilating the wolf population for public safety), and picking the wild carrots (a naturalized species from Europe) will suddenly destroy the plains. And yet, our cities are often vacant with native wildlife and plants, and infested with foreign plants, and they don't even bat an eye.

It's maddening to see someone so blind to simple ways to help conserve nature, from encouraging fungal growth by throwing caps across massive streams of pavement, to enjoyably annihilating invasive species through uprooting and systemic herbicide. Yet, we have a generation too diluted to truly value human life and ecological life.

They literally think that humanity is an invasive species, yes. That what right proper Marxists should do is humanely kill off 90% of the population (since that means there's no chance of a counterrevolution). But don't worry -- they're quite sure they'll be part of the 10% that survive.

The gulags were full of similar useful idiots, who spent the last years of their lives convinced there was just some sort of paperwork error and the party would clearly discover the problem and rescue them, placing them in some elite status somewhere... any day now.

Similarly, when these idiots start mass sterilizing people and convincing people to MAID for the good of the earth mother or whatever they'll be convinced it's a great thing, until Commissar Xyhesha (they/them) shows up at their door and informs them they won the lotto and will be allowed to do their part to reduce the party's carbon footprint -- and these two guys with firearms (they weren't banned for party insiders, just evil wrongthinker capitalists and everyone else) are there to help escort you to the quick care and mass crematorium complex.

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

Let's get the actual stats from the US government and not just random talking heads who probably are paid CIA shills.

A lot of this is “Team America, fuck yeah!” blather where they assume that all opponents are going to fall apart and the only real solution is having a president with an R after their name than a D. There are no facts to back up their arguments of course.

 

[Glowie]

A lot of this is “Team America, fuck yeah!” blather where they assume that all opponents are going to fall apart and the only real solution is having a president with an R after their name than a D. There are no facts to back up their arguments of course.

Fauci, CDC and CCP's lapdog is full of shit. Retards think Eris variant is end of the world. It kills only starved chinks, geriatrics and immuno compromised.

Shitting on CCP for leaking this to the world since December 2019, who started all of this shit, rest of the world who don't have to deal with timely political scheming and banana republic politics

That being said NG.5 or Eris is souped up omicron, anyone healthy and people with antibodies will be just fine, given that you don't live in metropolitan hellhole with high population density with coofers. Virii RNA is similar to omicron and protein structure is identical.

In short there's no need to panic and fuck powers that be and by the the way there won't be any lockdown no need to worry about that.

In case you get Eris you'll just go through sniffles and stomach flu. Not a big deal.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

It creates a cascade of changes that affect crop growth

Yeah. Not to convinced by that. Mainly because most of our grain crops cultivars that are (edit: most) productive are not very tolerant of temperature/climatic changes. They have a very specific, narrow, range of requirements which they do well in.
Yeah, you could switch to other forms but that % loss is going to cause famine and war.

Karen who is only doing the school run and the weekly shop doesn't need a huge American style SUV

The other issue with not using a large car is the current race of larger car to "beat" CAFE standards and import manufactures (Japan/Korea). I wouldn't feel safe driving a smaller car (or fucking bikes) rurally because my brains would be likely plastered over the pavement by some jackass and his lifted pickup versus in a hospital.

When the US decided to satiate the corn demon by adding ethanol to fuel there were tons of problems with older vehicles because none of the rubber used

Yeah, I know. I had to find specialized gaskets for my old as fuck pos beater.

crash prone AI clad Teslas,

Tesla, for all they're worth still are more of an electronics company than a mechanical company, and that thought should terrify you since the other manufactures will suck even more.

 

[The Ugly One]

Yeah. Not to convinced by that. Mainly because most of our grain crops cultivars that are (edit: most) productive are not very tolerant of temperature/climatic changes. They have a very specific, narrow, range of requirements which they do well in.
Yeah, you could switch to other forms but that % loss is going to cause famine and war.

Global-scale temperature changes are happening barely even fast enough to measure, let alone fast enough for the planet to be hit with a global famine without time to adjust crops in response to local climactic changes.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

Global-scale temperature changes are happening barely even fast enough to measure, let alone fast enough for the planet to be hit with a global famine without time to adjust crops in response to local climactic changes.

I'm not so much concerned with temperature changes (except in cases of brassicas), but more of rainfall patterns. You can supplement water in drought, but you can't get rid of extra water.

Humidity = disease, and disease is big bad. That and it becomes impossible to harvest if the rain comes at a bad time.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Absolutely not.
They are boondoggles whose expense and environmental impact both exceed that of a standard internal combustion vehicle over the standard lifespan of 150,000 miles.
The batteries cost upwards of 10,000 dollars to replace and have the same lifespan as any cell phone battery.

The hybrid craze is part of what is driving the price of vehicles up (any hybrid with a dead battery is essentially "totaled" and removed from the market, contracting supply)

Smaller form-factor commuters made sense but were obviously annihilated by regulation to protect incumbents.
Chevy can't compete with "new half-motorcycle x" that costs 1/5 as much to buy, fuel, and insure.

We don't have a "depression" here, we have an "oppression".
We're not allowed to make what people actually need because incumbents don't want you to have a cheaper alternative to their rent-seeking.

SFF commuter tricycles don't sell in the first world and 3rd worlders dump them and little bikes as soon as they can afford a subcompact hatchback.

As for hybrids, you may en thinking of PHEVs, those use a much bigger battery than a "normal hybrid". Hybrid batteries are spec'ed to last at least 100,000 miles and more like 200-250k miles. At the end they still work, just not as well and they can be reconditioned or replaced.

Ex. The Chevy VOLT was a PHEV with a very expensive, bespoke battery. A Volvo S60 Recharge PHEV is similar although it's battery is much more common and not a one off. Most German hybrids are PHEV. Ex. Drive it like an EV for ~20-50 miles then it becomes a normal hybrid after that, just with a bigger and heavier battery.

Example, the newest Prius or Corolla hybrid use a little 1.3kwh battery. It was nickel metal before 2020, nows it's lithium ion. An EV uses a 50-120kwh battery and that it's it's ONLY energy source/motor force. A PHEV will use a 5-25 kwh battery.

I've personally driven a 10+ year old Prius with a reconditioned battery and it worked fine. The reconditioned battery cost.... $1500 total.

Tl;Dr hybrids are great.

The AMC Eagle continues to be the perfect automobile. Lifted, 4WD, Eco friendly* four cylinder and a real work of art!
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Also comes in Coupe, and Station Wagon flavors.

The AMC eagle was so far ahead of it's time it's not even funny.