Global Depression 2022 - Time to do the Breadline Boogaloo!

[Vyse Inglebard]

As an aside, I finally figured out where the 2030 thing is from. It's pretty close to what @teriyakiburns mentioned just now, so I thought I'd share:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=2Sm49W1Hd1Yhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=pip8CUCbz4o
It's a Marxist op called Degrowth -- also known as "Net Zero" or "Sustainable economies" or "Build Back Better" or even "Absolute Zero." The idea is based on Marxist theories that Capitalism is unsustainable (note that this has never been shown to be true and like all other Marxist ideas it relies on you not questioning it at all) and thus Capitalism must be subverted and turned into a hybrid of Capitalism and Marxism called a circular economy -- that just so happens to let them have central planning and economies that are controlled by Marxists while otherwise ostensibly being capitalist... with them in charge forever because they're the elite caste.

The 2030 endpoint is when they hope to start pushing this batshit insane idea on everyone. They want everyone's economy in the west to shrink intentionally starting around 2030, and they need us all to shrink at the same time so there's no outliers to show their ideas are bullshit or worse, encourage people to reject their bullshit. But don't worry, your standard of living won't go down because you won't know any better -- and besides, they'll crash our population numbers through various tricks too, so it'll be easier to keep the remaining 10% of the population alive -- and more importantly, controlled and indoctrinated.

Of course, Communist economies like China will be immune.

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/zEch6

puts shit like this into sharper focus

 

[tehpope]

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/americans-abandon-home-insurance-ominous-sign-era-bidenomics

https://www.wsj.com/personal-finance/americans-are-bailing-on-their-home-insurance-e3395515

In yet another ominous sign, consumers are being pushed to the financial brink, leading some to abandon homeowner insurance due to soaring premiums. Without this coverage, homeowners are left vulnerable to fires, burst pipes, theft, vandalism, and windstorms.

"Some skipping insurance say they are doing so because they can no longer afford the rising premiums," said The Wall Street Journal. New Bankrate data shows insurance on a $250,000 home jumped to $1,428 annually, up 20% from 2022. That's about a $119 monthly payment.

 

[Glowie]

Sorry for double post, but the Aral Sea disaster was caused by the exact opposite of a degrowth mentality. The Soviets had really bizarre opinions about crops and agricultural science - see Lysenkoism and what they did to one of the greatest botanists of all time, Nikolai Vavilov, who ironically starved to death after his research saved millions from starvation. The Soviets refused to accept natural limits imposed on their growth, they thought that they could use the force of their ideology to bend nature to their will and force their nation to ascendancy. They basically ignored Bacon's maxim that nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed. They did the exact thing that I just ranted about - they took land that was traditionally pasture for a very good reason and transitioned it to irrigated farmland in order to fuel heavier population growth and resource output in the region. In the short term it worked, but the area was an endorheic basin - every gallon of water they drew off the Amu Darya was one less that flowed into the Aral Sea. The sea wasn't filled in, the amount of water flowing in was simply decreased until the salinity skyrocketed, the sea shrunk down to almost nothing, and all the fish died, destroying the economic sustenance of hundreds of communities along its shores. Israel is in the process of doing the exact same thing to the Dead Sea today, in order to support a huge population influx that the land can't sustain long term.

Meet Trofim Lysenko, grandfather of anti science whose legacy lives on in CCP. This man caused worst famines in soviet union, which is linked to holomdor. Lysenko thought nature can be controlled like men under socialism, he disregarded working farming methods, crop irrigation and cross breeding grains that can survive hot, cold, arid and humid climates. Austrian monk proved Lysenko wrong with his mice, peas and bees. This monk proved everything Trofim believed in wrong. Mendel's work was mainstream, any given farmer at the time knew how genetics worked, despite lacking intricate knowledge or know the word genome. Traditional farming and now science based farming works because of knowledge in genetics Genetic engineering created heat resistant wheat and Golden rice which provides superior nutritional values compared to white and brown rice.

After Lysenko's fuck up was outed, he was falun gong'd fast. Those who do not get that reference, Falun Gong was celebrated as next big thing in China, a religious movement that was praised in early 90s was quickly denounced and their claims that tai chi, dancing, etc cured cancers and various other diseases. Ten years later CCP declared Falun Gong as a dangerous cult, harvest their organs and try to memory hole them, that tangent aside CCP isn't any different when it comes to agriculture and basic biology.

Mao ordered to shoot every single swallow who happened to eat rice grains, after killing these birds by millions, locust swarms ate entire rice fields with their predators being exterminated. Giving farmers essentially barren land with high ph soil and expecting to grow rice in deforested areas. This did not work either obviously.
Mao decided to put everything archaic against the wall, people and destroy what they taught. CCP is and was a closed off shithole, until Kissinger's negotiations opened up the hermit nation and sent food aid alongside with Western farming equipment, since chinks were still stuck in the past and was essentially second Africa.


Even after CCP got their shit together, massive deforestations, megaprojects that destroyed not only farmland and forest that acted as natural barriers to mudslides and floods. Most recent example of this is Xi’s dictate to turn forest hillsides to muddy flood and mudslide prone area's. Xi's educational background is pigshit shoveler.

CCP stripmined vast areas of land for rare metals, leading to common dust and sandstorm after strong winds pick up the arid sand and cover entire cities with it. CCP's depency on coal, fills local air with smog and creates warm air mass, which collides with cold air masses from the sea, creating massive rains often pollutant filled or outright acid rain. CCP not content fucking with nature, they're building even more coal plants and dumping untreated nuclear coolant to local waterbodies or simply bury them under dirt. End result of all this? Hail storms, floods and mudslides and two fucking typhoons which permafucked China's breadbasket.

TL;DR communists will ruin nature and will leave you starving and broke. Communism is very definition of failure.

 

[Rei is Shit.]

$1 is under 100 calories of fast food

 

[Glowie]

$1 is under 100 calories of fast food
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There might be calories, estrogen, sugars, soy, milk powder "cheese", excessive sodium and non saturated fat.

Fast food is poisonous slop, you will live, but is worth looking like a troon worth it? No. Average zoomers and generation alphas can't cook worth shit, are lazy or just want that quick dopamine.

Learn to cultivate herbs, small vedgetables in inexpensive indoor greenhouses, learn to preserve foods, learn to shop wisely, fish in clear waters, hit the farmers market or hunt game. Chickens are easiest animals to look after, breed and eggs provide S grade animal protein on regular basis.

Avoid bitch tits, cook your own food.

 

[dustbuster]

Around here we have local places that provide a lot better for less than what McD's charges.

They're a ripoff.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

TL;DR communists will ruin nature and will leave you starving and broke. Communism is very definition of failure.

Anaconda smokestack in Montana would like to say hi.
More like developing countries (especially authoritarian ones) don't give a shit about the environment and are too busy to keep the starving masses from playing "kick a decapitated politician"

This always confused me. When people started to adopt "biofuels"

Ask @Puff (our automotive engineer). I think it had to do with how the gaskets have to be redesigned. I think hydrogen/CNG likes to permeate and leak through shit. Don't forget hydrogen oxidizing the block.

It would double food production and easily lead to an increase in avaialble food calories to support a growing population.

Most of today's concern is packaged as fearmongering over the high temperatures, but as you mentioned, plenty of the planet will be fertile and livable were it to get significantly warmer.

Both of you are forgetting there are other than than temperature and rainfall that is important for crop growth. I would make a long winded explanation of it but the short is that temperature and rainfall are major but not the only major concerns. A lot of places are going to become unproductive for agriculture as well and force people to move, it is possible we will be seeing something like the migrations of the vandals or the huns from the southern US most likely.
tl;dr you are being extremely optimistic.

Spoiler: Agricultural autisim

For example, (American) "Wild" rice that is cultivated (Zizania palustrus) had a much larger range all the way down to Mexico in the last glacial maximum. when the climate warmed and dried up, the species retreated northwards to great lakes region and taiga of US/Canada. It left two relics, Z. texana (Texas Wild Rice) and Z. aquatica (Wild Rice). The former is constrained to a highly specific pH range and turbidity in a watershed (actually within 5 miles of the source spring only) because the spring water temperature was consistently close enough to the last glacial age. The later is constrained to being underwater in the major rivers and coasts.

That 2C change is enough to significantly affect the germination of the wild rice in an agricultural setting.

 

[F13 Key]

Both of you are forgetting there are other than than temperature and rainfall that is important for crop growth. I would make a long winded explanation of it but the short is that temperature and rainfall are major but not the only major concerns. A lot of places are going to become unproductive for agriculture as well and force people to move, it is possible we will be seeing something like the migrations of the vandals or the huns from the southern US most likely.

For sure, but that's sort of what I was getting at. The temperature increase affects innumerable interlocking environmental conditions, each one changing along with it, and each one affecting various others. It creates a cascade of changes that affect crop growth, animal migration patterns, spread of insects and other pests, soil pH and more. It's not as simple as "more warm means two grow seasons now". Might be two grow seasons but would have to be different crops due to water or soil conditions shifting, or require a lot more nitrogen, or make certain crops impossible to grow affordably anymore if their pests also flourish.

 

[Puff]

This always confused me. When people started to adopt "biofuels", ie. running diesel cars used chip fat that was just going to be poured down the drain anyway, the government stopped it. Likely because they weren't seeing any tax money from it. It always seemed like a sensible solution to the problem.

I also remember the trend for "liquid petroleum gas". aka LPG. aka propane. It was pitched as the next big thing. Clean, efficient, renewable, and cheap. A bunch of taxis got the conversation early on, a bunch of patrol stations started selling it, and then it just kind of disappeared. Supposedly it's still sold at some stations, but it's never mentioned as a viable alternative.

I don't think LPG is volumetrically energy dense enough to really use for most people, but it'll run in a conventional engine well enough if you get it into the cylinder. Momentum on the gasoline systems and laser focus on electric cars is what's holding it back.

Bio diesel burns dirty (particulate matter is the current diesel boogieman, so just carbon smoke) and is inconsistent in quality. It'll never be any good commercially except maybe as an adulterant in petroleum diesel because the second you outstrip waste oils it becomes much more expensive than petroleum diesel.

 

[Glowie]

I don't think LPG is volumetrically energy dense enough to really use for most people, but it'll run in a conventional engine well enough if you get it into the cylinder. Momentum on the gasoline systems and laser focus on electric cars is what's holding it back.

Bio diesel burns dirty (particulate matter is the current diesel boogieman, so just carbon smoke) and is inconsistent in quality. It'll never be any good commercially except maybe as an adulterant in petroleum diesel because the second you outstrip waste oils it becomes much more expensive than petroleum diesel.

Bio fuel came and went way of alcohol based combustion engine from WW2. It was a meme at the time, it got average people from A to B, it didn't ever have energy efficiency to power anything outside one or two person cars. Many nations took example of third Reich who were stripped of crude oil, so solution was to create a fuel for the common man, alcohol stills could ferment literal shit and compost into pure ethanol which worked at the time, world's first biofuel was created out of necessity to avoid wasting diesel meant for tanks. Alcohol combustion engines are fun for babby's first chemistry and physics projects.

Bio fuels were marketed as inexpensive and green sources of fuel, most of the time it cost exactly the same as regular and biofuel hybrid cars cost more than regular car. Biofuel was useless for trucks and lorries, so that biofuel went way of the dodo, it might make a comeback a brief one when global recession hits full swing. It will be limited to urbanites who do not travel long distances. EV cars in general that are built according to western safety standards are something that wageslaves can't afford. Sure you could cut corners with EV battery and car production, but you will end up with exploding cars and buses that plague China.
Hydrogen engines are still in their infancy, since hydrogen is explosive, engineers and mechanics involved should take care not to create bombs out of cars.

I thought to add very brief summary of biofuels of the past and the present just to emphasize your point

 

[Puff]

EV cars in general that are built according to western safety standards are something that wageslaves can't afford. Sure you could cut corners with EV battery and car production, but you will end up with exploding cars and buses that plague China.

Bro, the Ford Lightning sales for 70k minimum and they lose tens of thousands on each. Everyone who works on this shit is convinced it'll just "work out" on the next one because they suck the green cock or keep their mouth shut because this IS what the company is doing. Watch the electric amazon vans in the next year or two. There are contracts to all of the big three and they're already running some Rivians. Each American company you don't see with electric Amazon vans by Feb 2024 or so just ate a multimillion dollar loss.

 

[F13 Key]

Bro, the Ford Lightning sales for 70k minimum and they lose tens of thousands on each. Everyone who works on this shit is convinced it'll just "work out" on the next one because they suck the green cock or keep their mouth shut because this IS what the company is doing. Watch the electric amazon vans in the next year or two. There are contracts to all of the big three and they're already running some Rivians. Each American company you don't see with electric Amazon vans by Feb 2024 or so just ate a multimillion dollar loss.

Dominos just bought 800 Chevy Bolts. Those probably aren't too bad though. They're about $28K apiece retail with a 260 mile range and are a perfect vehicle for delivery, as they'll probably last a full evening shift on a charge. I'd guess buying 800 of them they probably get them for a discount, then they can get the Commercial Clean Vehicle Credit on them for the $7500 per, so their cost is probably around 20-22 grand each.

 

[Glowie]

Bro, the Ford Lightning sales for 70k minimum and they lose tens of thousands on each. Everyone who works on this shit is convinced it'll just "work out" on the next one because they suck the green cock or keep their mouth shut because this IS what the company is doing. Watch the electric amazon vans in the next year or two. There are contracts to all of the big three and they're already running some Rivians. Each American company you don't see with electric Amazon vans by Feb 2024 or so just ate a multimillion dollar loss.

For same reason I don't see future crash prone AI clad Teslas, a company which tanked twice on wall street. Mostpeople here pointed out the fact EVs can't handle heat and cold, let's say Alaska, US Canada border or colder winters. Texas, Utah and Arizona, EV batteries are from green either, since they need rare earths, spent lithium can't be recycled and other compotent have to be junked. Not only big companies fellate green dick, people who drive EVs drive cars that can't be driven indefinetly or jalopied. Every oh so green Amazon EV van will end up in a graveyard, ones that we see in China today.
Alcohol and other bio fuels can be applied in other setups, for example domestic generators with carbon filters on exhaust.

EVs need entirely new network to be built, wasting even more resources, charging stations, etc. We're talking losses in billions and many cases of buyer's remorse.

 

[Rei is Shit.]

Ask @Puff (our automotive engineer). I think it had to do with how the gaskets have to be redesigned. I think hydrogen/CNG likes to permeate and leak through shit. Don't forget hydrogen oxidizing the block.

When the US decided to satiate the corn demon by adding ethanol to fuel there were tons of problems with older vehicles because none of the rubber used

Bio fuel came and went way of alcohol based combustion engine from WW2. It was a meme at the time, it got average people from A to B, it didn't ever have energy efficiency to power anything outside one or two person cars.

This isn't really the case. Alcohol fuels can actually hit slightly higher thermal efficiency than petroleum the problem is they have about half the btus. If a straight gas>alc conversion is done fuel consumption roughly doubles. If the engine is optimized for alc, ie higher compression ratio, then it might be 70% of the fuel eff of gas. But for a given displacement alc can hit a higher HP than gas.

Thats why every top fuel dragster is running nitromethan+meth.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

The carbon credit/green industry is just the modern day version of planned obsolescence.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Many nations took example of third Reich who were stripped of crude oil, so solution was to create a fuel for the common man, alcohol stills could ferment literal shit and compost into pure ethanol which worked at the time, world's first biofuel was created out of necessity to avoid wasting diesel meant for tanks.

It will be limited to urbanites who do not travel long distances.

And there in lies one of my frustrations with this whole "green energy" fad. The people who should be going green, the people who also tend to push it the most, and the exact people that refuse to do it.

I once heard a statistic that 80% of vehicle journeys are single occupant, no cargo, distance of under 10 miles. I don't think that's completely true, but if we assume it's at least partially true, there's obvious solutions like motorbikes and mobility scooters, but these are often rejected.

My point is, Karen who is only doing the school run and the weekly shop doesn't need a huge American style SUV that gets less than ten miles to the gallon, and her husband doesn't need a second one just to get to the office. Both could do just as well with a bike or mobility scooter. The possible exception is the school run, though in many cases I don't see why they don't walk, and if they must drive they'd be better suited with an estate or even a small 5 door.

I hear all kinds of excuse like "my drive is kind of steep" or "I need the space", but none of these stand up to scrutiny.


Which brings me back to biofuels. For someone who like me who would use a vehicle infrequently, or for the Karens who use cars as status symbols instead of practical tools, biofuels would be perfectly usable. It shouldn't be a complete replacement for everyone, but massive population centers, why not? Save the high end and finite fuels for those that can actually use them.

 

[Pokemon Conquistador]

My point is, Karen who is only doing the school run and the weekly shop doesn't need a huge American style SUV that gets less than ten miles to the gallon, and her husband doesn't need a second one just to get to the office. Both could do just as well with a bike or mobility scooter. .

I need a freaking car because for five months out of the year, the roads look like this:

While I'd love to get by with a dinky bike and the cargo-carrying capacity of a flea's scrotum, I'm afraid I need something with a roof and a trunk, since nearly all of the traveling I do is shopping runs.

 

[Glowie]

And there in lies one of my frustrations with this whole "green energy" fad. The people who should be going green, the people who also tend to push it the most, and the exact people that refuse to do it.

I once heard a statistic that 80% of vehicle journeys are single occupant, no cargo, distance of under 10 miles. I don't think that's completely true, but if we assume it's at least partially true, there's obvious solutions like motorbikes and mobility scooters, but these are often rejected.

My point is, Karen who is only doing the school run and the weekly shop doesn't need a huge American style SUV that gets less than ten miles to the gallon, and her husband doesn't need a second one just to get to the office. Both could do just as well with a bike or mobility scooter. The possible exception is the school run, though in many cases I don't see why they don't walk, and if they must drive they'd be better suited with an estate or even a small 5 door.

I hear all kinds of excuse like "my drive is kind of steep" or "I need the space", but none of these stand up to scrutiny.


Which brings me back to biofuels. For someone who like me who would use a vehicle infrequently, or for the Karens who use cars as status symbols instead of practical tools, biofuels would be perfectly usable. It shouldn't be a complete replacement for everyone, but massive population centers, why not? Save the high end and finite fuels for those that can actually use them.

Same type of people demand "renewable green energy", resource intensive wind and solar, not caring about the ramifications. Kevin/Karen/Troons who attend Greenpeace or other similar rallies while tweeting from their IPhones which have planned absolence and other consumerist and hedonistic habits. They care so much about the environment.

These hordes of retards protesting could be more useful planting and reversing acidity of forest soil by using calcium carbonate, reversing effects of acid rain and removing excess plant waste to prevent spontaneous combustion when next heat cycle hits. All that grift money went to likes of Al Gore and Greta Thumberg Instead of productive efforts.

As for Biofuels, some farms use methane collected from fermenting pigshit as fuel to warm house, provide electricity gas combustion reactors minimizing excess carbon and methane escaping from the machinery. As for dirty burning bio fuels two layers of filters to catch carbon particles with first filter, second filter would catch microscopic carbon particles, either compacting compost or using liquidised biowaaste to be used fuel. All of this requires technical expertise or considerable investment. Which is would be one reason it will be impractical urbanite normie.

 

[JustSomeDong]

And there in lies one of my frustrations with this whole "green energy" fad. The people who should be going green, the people who also tend to push it the most, and the exact people that refuse to do it.

I once heard a statistic that 80% of vehicle journeys are single occupant, no cargo, distance of under 10 miles. I don't think that's completely true, but if we assume it's at least partially true, there's obvious solutions like motorbikes and mobility scooters, but these are often rejected.

My point is, Karen who is only doing the school run and the weekly shop doesn't need a huge American style SUV that gets less than ten miles to the gallon, and her husband doesn't need a second one just to get to the office. Both could do just as well with a bike or mobility scooter. The possible exception is the school run, though in many cases I don't see why they don't walk, and if they must drive they'd be better suited with an estate or even a small 5 door.

I hear all kinds of excuse like "my drive is kind of steep" or "I need the space", but none of these stand up to scrutiny.


Which brings me back to biofuels. For someone who like me who would use a vehicle infrequently, or for the Karens who use cars as status symbols instead of practical tools, biofuels would be perfectly usable. It shouldn't be a complete replacement for everyone, but massive population centers, why not? Save the high end and finite fuels for those that can actually use them.

How about this? I just simply want my fucking car and my truck. I don't really give a damn what anyone else thinks of what I "need" because its none of their fucking business.

 

[dustbuster]

I need a freaking car because for five months out of the year, the roads look like this:

For a while in the early 2000's, there were some companies that were experimenting with 3-wheelers (2 front, 1 large drive in back) that had fully-enclosed sedan interiors and super-high MPG and performance with a sticker between 9k and 10k.
They were classified as "motorcycles" so were exempt from most "car" regulations.
I'm pretty sure the government killed them by either extending regs to them or other chicanery.

As it stands the only one I can find these days is the Polaris Slingshot - the damn thing is just as sexy as the concept cars I mentioned above but has no enclosed cabin and is a whopping $21.5 thousand.

Innovations like this that have the potential to improve our standard of living by making essentials much cheaper are smothered in the cradle every year.