Genuine question: is drawn CP CSAM? - Not limited to anime

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I've been torn on this question for a while. I've delved into some cases like the Australian loli court case or numerous drawn CP cases in America.

Generally drawn CP isn't even considered CP in some countries, yet in others (usually the more developed/richer ones) it's considered CP, but only in specific cases its also CSAM (like when a artist draws a real life child, shadman comes to mind)

Users in furry drama general don't view it as CSAM, and made a solid argument. What does Q&A think?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_child_pornography

My personal opinion is that drawn CP is CSAM if the artist draws a real life child (at the time of drawing) in explicit situations without the child's nor the guardians consent, otherwise it's drawn CP.
Edit: a child cannot consent and a guardian should not be doing such a thing. It's CSAM however you look at it. Legally it depends on the country unfortunately.

Even with consent its fucked up and should be treated as CSAM. I can't imagine what guardian would consent to such a thing.
 
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If it's depicting real people, or very realistic examples of people (such as AI-Generated CP), then that should be illegal and treated to the same degree as photographic CP.

Beyond that point, you enter a very grey area with debates on both sides. If the person is completely fictional, like a cartoon character, then yeah socially I don't think that's acceptable but on a legal standpoint no one's harmed by its existence. It only becomes an issue when people are proactively sharing/spreading it to people who either don't want to see it or are underage. If a group of pedos wants to get off to completely fictional drawings of children, then I'd want them dead but I'd rather they do it to fictional people rather than fuelling an industry of real CSAM/CP.

Argument could be had that drawings act as a gateway to real CSAM/CP, and the whole 'give an inch, they'll take a mile' side of it. Really, the best solution is genociding pedophiles, but you'd be hard pressed to find a modern country that would, let alone could.
 
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Vibe_Lad said:
My personal opinion is that drawn CP is CSAM if the artist draws a real life child (at the time of drawing) in explicit situations without the child's nor the guardians consent, otherwise it's drawn CP.
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Wait, you think if a predator draws sexual images of kid with their "consent" it isn't CSAM? Am I reading that right?
 
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SSj_Ness said:
Wait, you think if a predator draws sexual images of kid with their "consent" it isn't CSAM? Am I reading that right?
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Vibe_Lad said:
Even with consent its fucked up and should be treated as CSAM. I can't imagine what guardian would consent to such a thing.
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In certain countries it's not treated as CSAM, that's what I'm implying. I still think it's CSAM regardless of law.

It's worded like that because a child can't consent and I can't imagine a parent consenting to something like that.

Edit: I think in Vietnam or Cambodia drawn CP or CSAM isn't recognized
 
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It isn't "CSAM" the same way drawn pictures of a murder aren't evidence of a crime.

Is it distasteful? Yeah.
Is it "child sex abuse material"? No because there isn't a child that was sexually abused and it isn't material about said abuse.

I'd say the work of someone like Peter Sotos is more "CSAM" than anything drawn, unless it was traced from photos. At least that shit is actually based in reality (and, I believe, primarily intended for tittilation than for anything else).
 
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