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Takeshi Morishima, former GHC and ROH world champion, officially announced his retirement today at NOAH's Great Voyage show. Announcing his retirement ceremony to take place on September 19 in Osaka.

Here are some pics from the announcement:
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Commence the feels.
 
God, I knew Morishima wasn't in the best shape, but he looks like he's aged twenty years since his feud with Bryan.

I hope he can salvage his health to some degree. Diabetes is a brutal disease. Patrice O'Neal was around Morishima's age when he died of Type 2, and he wasn't getting beaten up for a living.
 
Speaking of ROH. They've just achieved national TV. They will be broadcast on the NESN (New England Sports Network) which is carried on DISH and Direct TV on Monday nights (right now it will be a midnight slot, but it might change in the future). This is in addition to airing on all channels owned by their parent company Sinclair Broadcasting.
 
CornetteFace said:
Speaking of ROH. They've just achieved national TV. They will be broadcast on the NESN (New England Sports Network) which is carried on DISH and Direct TV on Monday nights (right now it will be a midnight slot, but it might change in the future). This is in addition to airing on all channels owned by their parent company Sinclair Broadcasting.
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So now ROH, LU, and TNA are in an arms race of shitty three-digit cable channels.
 
CornetteFace said:
and New Japan on AXS.

Also, can American wrestling outside of the E really demand the spotlight of major cable right now?
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Supposedly WWE tried to find better digs before resigning with USA et al and it didn't go anywhere, then Spike (still not really any bigger then they were back in The Nashville Network days) dumped TNA.
So probably not.
 
It's still cool that wrestling can get good numbers on TV despite being on smaller networks. LU draws well. And ROH draws VERY well when all their syndicated airings are combined. TNA....Well, the less said there the better I guess.
 
TNA used to be really good, which is just sad. I watched it for the first time in over a year the other week, and it was better? But still not at the level it was before... The Dollhouse can bite my tushy, btw.

...And Dana Brooke can, too. Her debut was awful. She has the looks of Trish, the cute play off of Donnybrook, and no skills outside of cheesy posing. :alog:
 
TNA's major problem is that they rehash the same storylines every year. Heel stable tries to take over the company, face unit debuts to take them out. Heels are vanquished at BFG, face unit goes heel shortly there after and the cycle repeats.

Some dude did the math and TNA, in 2012 had spent over 55% of its existence under siege. I can only imagine how it is now in 2015
 
The problem is that they're "stuck" in the attitude era/NWO loop. I hated the NWO from it's inception (Heresy for many, I know), so I couldn't be bothered when TNA adopted the formula.

I just want to see good wrestling with basic storylines. No need for silly mob-style usurping.
 
Not to mention TNA's fanbase will almost always praise everything TNA does, even if it's horribly dated and executed. Seriously, I've been on quite a few wrestling news sites, and if you *dare* critique TNA, their hardcore fans will jump all over you in a spergy way.
 
Sometimes I wish I gave more fucks about TNA since I live like, 45 minutes from my front door to Universal's parking lot.

Maybe if I had irl wrasslin fan friends that would be interested in going and being loud wrasslin fans instead of going and being online nerds.
 
dcisp said:
Sometimes I wish I gave more fucks about TNA since I live like, 45 minutes from my front door to Universal's parking lot.

Maybe if I had irl wrasslin fan friends that would be interested in going and being loud wrasslin fans instead of going and being online nerds.
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That's kind of why I've been more focusing on supporting the local indy fed in my area. It doesn't draw big crowds (maybe a few hundred people each show), but it's a loyal fanbase that just goes to shows to have fun, cheer the faces, and boo the heels. They don't bitch about storylines or over analyze the shit out of everything to the point where the fun is all sapped out of it like WWE or TNA uber fans do.
 
dcisp said:
Sometimes I wish I gave more fucks about TNA since I live like, 45 minutes from my front door to Universal's parking lot.

Maybe if I had irl wrasslin fan friends that would be interested in going and being loud wrasslin fans instead of going and being online nerds.
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I've read that the TNA fan interactions are worth going to, even if the shows are crappy. I might end up traveling down there next year.

@Frank Rizzo Yes! I enjoy going to the local shows when I can, and buying merch to support 'em. Raven was a sweetheart to me and gave me tons of extras, and Colt Cabana asked if he could hug me. -- Which ended kind of embarrassingly. :oops:

Also, you might see some really autistic people there. When I was in line to get Kevin Nash and Rhino's autographs at a show, the guy in front of me was practically GUSHING over how much he loved Nash. To his face. I had so much second-hand embarrassment. lol~ I can see why fans sometime complain about Nash being "rude", but I don't really fault him for that if the sperging is at the same level as I saw.
 
HickoryDickory said:
Also, you might see some really autistic people there. When I was in line to get Kevin Nash and Rhino's autographs at a show, the guy in front of me was practically GUSHING over how much he loved Nash. To his face. I had so much second-hand embarrassment. lol~ I can see why fans sometime complain about Nash being "rude", but I don't really fault him for that if the sperging is at the same level as I saw.
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Believe me, I've seen my share of "exceptional individuals" at shows for the indy fed I support.

One night, one of the heels came out to do the "Heel challenges anyone in the back to an impromptu match" routine, and some meat head in the audience kept trying to climb into the ring to answer the challenge. Literally, they had to stop the show to convince this dude that audience members couldn't answer the heel's challenge. (This guy was a really stubborn, Jersey Shore-esque type, so he was obnoxious about it the whole way through).
 
HickoryDickory said:
I've read that the TNA fan interactions are worth going to, even if the shows are crappy. I might end up traveling down there next year.
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So I've heard, too.

I went to one of the PPVs years ago, the one where Miss Brookes was seducing Eric Young to sign with Robert Roode, inc.
James Mitchell and Abyss were fighting... probably Sting. Which was cool because I never liked Sting and James Mitchell is great.

It wasn't bad at all, I had fun, but it's not something I'd want to do without people I was friends with. If I knew some like-minded nerds (who could chip in for parking) I could go any time they were here, but my irl wrasslin nerd friends don't like live shows or are so far up NXT's ass they might as well be jumping out HHH's mouth.
 
dcisp said:
So I've heard, too.

I went to one of the PPVs years ago, the one where Miss Brookes was seducing Eric Young to sign with Robert Roode, inc.
James Mitchell and Abyss were fighting... probably Sting. Which was cool because I never liked Sting and James Mitchell is great.

It wasn't bad at all, I had fun, but it's not something I'd want to do without people I was friends with. If I knew some like-minded nerds (who could chip in for parking) I could go any time they were here, but my irl wrasslin nerd friends don't like live shows or are so far up NXT's ass they might as well be jumping out HHH's mouth.
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Well, considering that NXT is actually.....you know, entertaining.....far more entertaining then WWE's main shows or TNA's shows...
 
Frank Rizzo said:
Well, considering that NXT is actually.....you know, entertaining.....far more entertaining then WWE's main shows or TNA's shows...
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More entertaining that WWE or TNA isn't very hard to achieve.
The wrasslin stream I watch goes CMLL->Misc Lucha->AAA->LU->NXT.
NXT is calmdown time after all that cool and exciting stuff.
 
dcisp said:
More entertaining that WWE or TNA isn't very hard to achieve.
The wrasslin stream I watch goes CMLL->Misc Lucha->AAA->LU->NXT.
NXT is calmdown time after all that cool and exciting stuff.
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It's really funny how, about two-three years ago, WWE and TNA basically started going on auto-pilot, and were all "Meh, why should we strive to be entertaining all the time? We're the only big games in town"

However, fast forward to now, with LU gaining more and more popularity, NXT putting on consistently better shows then it's main counterparts on Raw and Smackdown, and New Japan, ROH, and other Lucha gaining ground steadily in terms of U.S popularity, TNA and WWE should realize (at least I hope they would) that they're not the only two games in town. WWE showed slight sparks of greatness with a pretty good WM card, and TNA *can* have good matches when they put effort into it, but both brands need to get their shit together *a lot* more to contend with the new games in town.
 
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