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OJ Simpson said:
Off the top of my head you can add New Jack, Viscera, D-Lo, Elix Skipper. There's virtually no overlap between any of them.

I'm sick of flippy negro #638209 and former collegiate athlete #2994203. Wrestling as a whole though; it seems like creative just can't create a compelling character. Gone are the days of a Kane, Undertaker, Mankind - characters with depth - and now we're just stuck with "lol he appears when you say his name", "s/he's super athletic!", and "yesteryear's star past his/her sell by date". Seth Rollins might be the most interesting out of anybody but even he comes off as some acting school fag with a penchant for goofy clothes who tries too hard.

Sign of the times.
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In general I agree with this but.... My preferred wrestling fandom (late 70s and early 80s), if someone who didn't know shit about wrestling, or that era specifically, they might be hard pressed to tell one wrestler from another just by appearance (with obvious exceptions). Most all of them were "guy in wrestling boots and trunks". Even exceptions to this had numerous clones (There used to be a shitton of Billy Graham clones during that era for instance). They got over via promos and in ring style. I think part of the problem is how and where they're trained. All the new/newer WWE wrestlers go thru the performance center, and that's often it. If you have the exact same people training everyone, they all are going to start to blend together in wrestling and promo style. The territories were all fairly distinct from one another in style, presentation and fan expectation, so wrestlers who gained experience going around the horn in the territories were exposed to a bunch of different wrestling styles, and could incorporate what they wanted into their own individual style.

For every Undertaker (which on paper should have been a bust) you have handfuls of Red Roosters, Dentists, race car drivers, Garbagemen , pizza delivery guys...you get the idea.

I'm not even sure what I'm trying to say here now that I've typed this out, lol.
 
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The Taco Santo! said:
Sparky Plugg was a great gimmick, and giving it to the meanest guy in the locker room just to see what would happen was an inspired choice. I will die on this hill.
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Given to the right guy, even the most inane gimmick can probably get over, but I always got the impression that no thought went into these gimmicks beyond the most surface level presentation. Ok, Bob Holly's a race car driver... then what?

EDIT: I always felt that if he had a better attitude about it, Shane Douglas could have made more, alot more, out of the Dean Douglas gimmick. All he really needed to do was wait Vince out on it, then start incorporating more of the Franchise character. It's what he did his first few months back in ECW after quitting the WWF, and I thought it worked.
 
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GloryHole Stalker said:
EDIT: I always felt that if he had a better attitude about it, Shane Douglas could have made more, alot more, out of the Dean Douglas gimmick. All he really needed to do was wait Vince out on it, then start incorporating more of the Franchise character. It's what he did his first few months back in ECW after quitting the WWF, and I thought it worked.
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The Dean gimmick that was proposed to Shane would've been ahead of its time as it was basically him being a Dave Meltzer smark wrestler critiquing the other wrestlers and the early vignettes reflected it but what we ended up getting was a guy in a robe going "NYAHAHA IM THE DEAN NYEAHHH!"
 
XYZpdq Jr. said:
that sounds less-stupid than most of his business attempts
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I mean getting ignored by Jericho is something, I guess.
GloryHole Stalker said:
Given to the right guy, even the most inane gimmick can probably get over, but I always got the impression that no thought went into these gimmicks beyond the most surface level presentation. Ok, Bob Holly's a race car driver... then what?

EDIT: I always felt that if he had a better attitude about it, Shane Douglas could have made more, alot more, out of the Dean Douglas gimmick. All he really needed to do was wait Vince out on it, then start incorporating more of the Franchise character. It's what he did his first few months back in ECW after quitting the WWF, and I thought it worked.
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Putting aside my dislike of Douglas, part of the reason why he floundered in WWF at the time was because the Kliq decided they didn't want to play nice with him. Even if Douglas took to the gimmick 100% he still would've been in a shit position.

But yeah, a lot of the New Generation gimmicks were pretty meh. I did always like Adam Bomb and felt that was a gimmick that could've led to a Kane or Taker level character over the years.
 
Julius Caesar The 187th said:
F4WON: Nick Hogan spotted in the WWE performance center.

I guess his finisher would be the "Car Crasher"
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No because technically it didn't finish that kid off.
Would said:
It’s really something when you can’t tell these new nigs apart, but 25 years ago no one confused Booker T, Farooq, Godfather, Mark Henry, or Norman Smiley with each other.
Five distinct black men filling in different roles, each with their own style, mannerisms, and wrestling arsenal.
That’s without mentioning some obscure little known jabroni never-was called The Rock.

Now???
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I've always looked at the rock and the rest of the half nig Samoans as Samoans.
Julius Caesar The 187th said:
What does Nia expect Randy to do in that kind of situation?!
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She was hoping for Randy to say don't worry Nia, I've gone gay for pay myself :story:
 
Would said:
It’s really something when you can’t tell these new nigs apart, but 25 years ago no one confused Booker T, Farooq, Godfather, Mark Henry, or Norman Smiley with each other.
Five distinct black men filling in different roles, each with their own style, mannerisms, and wrestling arsenal.
That’s without mentioning some obscure little known jabroni never-was called The Rock.

Now???
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What about Ahmed Johnson?
 
The Taco Santo! said:
Get him a little race car to ride around the ring.
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And now I remember the Boozer Cruiser. That's a nostalgia flashbang.

Beer Money remains one of my favorite tag teams ever, which is hilarious considering they were just throw together on the logic of "either they get over together or we fire them together".
PS1gamenwatch said:
What about Ahmed Johnson?
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Wasn't he also a prick where the only time anyone gave a shit about him was the time Farooq beat the shit out of him as payback for a rib injury? Mostly off the rest of the locker room enjoying watching Farooq beat the shit out of him?
 
Leaf Wage Slave Jr said:
Wasn't he also a prick where the only time anyone gave a shit about him was the time Farooq beat the shit out of him as payback for a rib injury? Mostly off the rest of the locker room enjoying watching Farooq beat the shit out of him?
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I think it was a lacerated liver, not a broken rib. To add to the "Ahmed is a dickhead" lore, he also slipped somas into Mark Henry's drink when they were eating at a restaurant and then sneaked out of the restaurant through bathroom window when Mark ordered him to step outside and fight him.

Edit: Just want to add, imagine being fucking stupid enough to get on the bad side of Farooq, who is on record for being the one guy Mark Henry admitted to being genuinely afraid of and also being the one guy that the Steiners didn't fuck with in the locker room.
 
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