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Franz Joseph said:
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partially agree, we have a lot of white liberal karens in their 50s and 60s protesting literally everything, even younger leftists dont like them, but what ive observed about the PNW is that respecting Troons is a time-honored tradition in that part of the country, doesn't surprise me that its one of the higher drawing areas whenever AEW goes there lmao
 
Hurst said:
People think AEW is this morally superior company when they have skeletons in their closet as well.

Whenever these releases come up smarks go into Fedbad mode. They praised TK for not releasing people and paying them to their contract expires. The thing is most of those people will never be in a major promotion again (Big Swole, Marko Stunt, Joey Janella) but the ones with actual talent (Starks, Ethan Page, Fenix) wanted their release so they could work.

When Cardona got released from WWE and showed up on AEW he had 3 match deal to see how it worked out. He's said he talked to TK and they wanted to sign him and were gonna send him a contract and just never did. Apparently that's TKs thing is just ghosting people.(Besides Swole she just sucked lol)

Say what you want about WWE but they run an actual business. Pepsi Phil was right they're not in the same business.
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How does HHH's cock taste?
 
Hamburger Detractor said:
I'm sure if Hulk offered him a job before he died he'd have no problems with him. I'm more disappointed that ICP would lower their standards and work with the Jewish knockoff Cornette.


That's a little redundant.
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ICP are desperately trying to cater to Gen Z leftists to stay in the entertainment sphere. They apologized for one of their songs for a "problematic" line, apologized for a late-night talk show appearance where they made inappropriate jokes about a 16-year old. They take any opportunity they can to take shots at Kid Rock when they haven't had anything to do with one another since the 90s, but because he LARPs as a hillbilly, they make it a point to call him a racist at every turn (even though his oldest son is mixed). They told their old fans to stop gatekeeping TikTok zoomers from being juggalos and Violent J released a song about being a faggot. There's more but I don't want to spend all my free time discussing ICP's woke arc.

They were always "woke" but in an endearing inner-city way like most white people who grow up in the hood, but they've put the pedal to the metal in the last five years in an attempt to stay relevant. Entertainers from the 90s don't understand how fickle and knee-jerk the modern leftist fan is. They're in love with you until you fail their moral sniff test, then they'll make a desperate effort to collectivize and destroy your entire legacy. Entertainers see a new audience and new revenue but they're simply not built for this era where these people live and die by identity politics. It's like going after a bees nest for honey, but once the bees find out, they're going to light you up.
 
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shit's getting a bit funky.

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Magic Sun Daddy said:
How much of ROH's current zombified status can be chalked up to Tony's ownership? I have a pretty huge hater boner for the guy but I wasn't keeping up with ROH prior to it being bought up and I don't want to put blame on him if it turns out all he does is keep the lights on for them.
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ROH was doing the gayest of pure wrestling tournaments in empty arenas mid pandemic pre tony, just dorks fake shoot fighting rolling around. dorks like wheeler yuta and shit. It was practically the same as Tony having it by the end except now it likely sells significantly more PPVs which is saying something because it don't sell much.
 
Tony bought ROH because he's a mark with nostalgia for when it was good like 15-20 years ago. He just wants to say he owns it and pretend he's carrying on that legacy when nobody watches that shit. He also needs a dumping ground for all the people he's not using and ROH seems to be where they're at. The only thing of value is its library of old footage.
 
Kermit the Frog said:
Tony bought ROH because he's a mark with nostalgia for when it was good like 15-20 years ago. He just wants to say he owns it and pretend he's carrying on that legacy when nobody watches that shit. He also needs a dumping ground for all the people he's not using and ROH seems to be where they're at. The only thing of value is its library of old footage.
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So no future main event players like old school ROH with Punk, Styles, Joe, etc?
 
The last time ROH was good was when Jay Lethal was world champ with Truth Martini as his manager, he'd hit people with a giant book called the "Book of Truth". But even then, it was a shell of itself compared the golden era of the mid-2000s.

Once they put the belt on Matt Taven, it was basically a dead company. They made tons of baffling decisions in 2019, including almost tanking their long running relationship with New Japan with management openly shit talking the young lions sent over that year for training.

There's a reason Sinclair gave up on them, it's because sure they were making a bit of money, but they were trending downward and they were an easy asset to offload during Covid.
 
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
I take back what I said about Hogan being the 2nd most influential person in wrestling (after Vince only). I read up more on Gorgeous George and I think he was actually the most influential ever.
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Lou Thesz is my number 1. The last, worldwide recognized champion back when most fans still thought it was real. Dude was a straight up shoot fighter which is one of the reasons the NWA selected him as champion as they feared promotors going into business for themselves.

Obviously the matches as slower. The big draw back then were two out of three falls so I don't think modern fans would like it at all. But back then, Lou Thesz would be able to draw crazy houses and dominate the radio broadcasts. And the matches did look at lot more like legitimate sporting events.

Lou Thesz (NWA Heavy Weight Champ) vs Buddy Rogers from 1951.

 
RasterTatth said:
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I'm skeptical of Fertitta having anything to do with pro wrestling and think this is bullshit.

I'm guessing Khan was one of those LOLTNA back in the 2010s. We know he's a major Internet smark and him jumping at buying ROH and ignoring TNA kinda speaks to that.

I can't imagine that the valuations for both companies were radically different.

AEW being around is good for pro wrestling, even if it run by a cokehead chipmunk, but the way that he more or less gutted ROH would have people going nuclear if it was Vince/WWE were the ones doing (as we're seeing with the chimpouts over TNA.)

E: I say 'gutted' but it is probably more accurate to say 'didn't deliver on his promises' as IIRC he talked a big game about rehabbing ROH which has never happened. But people are okay with it because ???
 
Hurst said:
Vince Sr sticking to guns and making Superstar drop the belt to Backlund is strange to me. Imagine if Superstar who was already popular would've done a babyface turn and kept the championship?

Backlund just seemed like downgrade( I wasn't alive when this happened so I might be lacking perspective on his appeal) compared to Superstar who had everything.
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Vince was never going to give Graham any more time with the belt than what was agreed to, as he'd been warned by Eddie Graham (Florida promoter and friend of Vince the elder) that Billy, like Dusty Rhodes, would eventually use his popularity to hijack the booking and payouts, as they'd both tried to do in Florida and elsewhere. Big Vince had decided, after Bruno pulling that shit, he wasn't going to allow it to happen any longer.

Graham might have gotten another year out of his reign as a babyface... maybe. Graham was absolutely the drizzling shits was a wrestler, considerably worse than Hogan. Beyond physical presence, Graham's only viable in ring attribute was selling the shit out of babyface's offense. I don't believe he could have kept interest up for long, if he had to wrestle like a babyface.

Backlund, despite his vanilla promo ability, was terrific in ring. He wrestled like an NWA wrestler, and at least at the top of the card, got the WWWF away from the "punch, kick, armlock, stomp" style that had infested that fed during Bruno's time.

Whatever one may say about his personality, Backlund was a pro. Always stayed in top shape, never tried to interfere with bookings or hijack paydays, and most importantly was fucking over. He held the title 2 months shy of 6 years. If he wasn't over, Vince Sr. would have moved away from him in short order.
 
Well Intentioned said:
E: I say 'gutted' but it is probably more accurate to say 'didn't deliver on his promises' as IIRC he talked a big game about rehabbing ROH which has never happened. But people are okay with it because ???
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I mean ROH is getting bigger attendances and selling more ppvs than literally ever. It was not some glorious gigantic company. rehabbing ROH didn't mean it had to become huge because it was never even close. He probably considers it far beyond rehabbed because despite it being kinda worthless it's doing better than literally ever numbers wise. some of the PPVS have had 4500 fans, that is literally double triple or quadruple most of the best ROH attendances pre Tony and it's likely costing him almost nothing to run it.'

is it a terrible product right now? yes, the weekly episodes are AEW dark with a new name, but the people pretending ROH would flourish without him and was hugely successful ever are weird. Without him it's just an occasional clip in WWE documentaries and otherwise fucking dead.
 
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ROH died the moment they give the world title to fucking PCO, Tony Khan just took the life support when he bought it and started playing with the rotting corpse like a puppet when he gave the World title to Chris Jericho.

What we see from ROH now is just its rotting corpse getting exhibited and being spit on every week. Not being nearly as good that it once was.
 
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GloryHole Stalker said:
Whatever one may say about his personality, Backlund was a pro. Always stayed in top shape, never tried to interfere with bookings or hijack paydays, and most importantly was fucking over. He held the title 2 months shy of 6 years. If he wasn't over, Vince Sr. would have moved away from him in short order.
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Not suffering from alcoholism and drug issues and other legal battles probably goes a long way when you're being compared to other options who have similar skills but more behind-the-scenes flaws.
 
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
I take back what I said about Hogan being the 2nd most influential person in wrestling (after Vince only). I read up more on Gorgeous George and I think he was actually the most influential ever.

George wasn't the first wrestler to have a gimmick but he was the first to make it into a huge draw. When TV first started to take off, networks wanted cheap programming that would make viewers want to watch. George's matches were a big part of this because he was such a showman, which resulted in him being a national celebrity and, reportedly, he was one of the most responsible people for TV taking off. So without George, there really is no 80s wrestling boom or Hogan.
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There's movies with him too
ages ago I was on a kick about looking for footage of Tor Johnson, he was "fighter #2" in a fuckton of things including "Alias The Champ", about how Gorgeous George gets framed for murder
I never found proper in-ring footage of Tor, but from his movie brawling I thing I get a rough idea of how he might have looked
 
Hurst said:
Vince Sr sticking to guns and making Superstar drop the belt to Backlund is strange to me. Imagine if Superstar who was already popular would've done a babyface turn and kept the championship?

Backlund just seemed like downgrade( I wasn't alive when this happened so I might be lacking perspective on his appeal) compared to Superstar who had everything.
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Vince Sr was supposedly a fan of the white meat, all american boy babyface as champ. So Backlund was his perfect guy, although I agree, Superstar would've been much better

JustStopDude said:
Lou Thesz is my number 1. The last, worldwide recognized champion back when most fans still thought it was real. Dude was a straight up shoot fighter which is one of the reasons the NWA selected him as champion as they feared promotors going into business for themselves.

Obviously the matches as slower. The big draw back then were two out of three falls so I don't think modern fans would like it at all. But back then, Lou Thesz would be able to draw crazy houses and dominate the radio broadcasts. And the matches did look at lot more like legitimate sporting events.

Lou Thesz (NWA Heavy Weight Champ) vs Buddy Rogers from 1951.

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Yeah, Thesz would absolutely be up there, too.
 
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