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Bret is a grievance collector. If he feels you did him wrong, no matter how slight the offense, he will never let it go and never forgive you. If he thinks you like him and have been on your side he will be nothing but the nicest guy you could imagine.
Part of me suspects Bret's hatred is kayfabe. He has been in the wrestling industry all his life, he operates with the mindset of generating heat. People shitting on Goldberg is 100% due to Bret complaining about the kick for years. It's such common knowledge WWE jokes about it with Gunther telling Bret that Goldberg was his favorite wrestler and then ribbing Goldberg on Bad Blood.
Goldberg is honest that he doesn't care that Bret sends hate his way, Goldberg loves it because it gives him the spotlight too. Let's call it what it is a FEUD! The wrestlers Bret really genuinely hates I think Bret doesn't want to feed them any attention. Keep in mind I grew up with WCW so I see WCW with rosetinted glasses I miss the sound of the bodies slamming on the mat and of course the Nitro Girls.
 
You actually wear a MAGA hat? :story:

But anyone denying CTE is real is a legit moron. Taker, Austin, etc. are all really stupid if they believe that
I own one, sure.
It was a gift from an older relative but I like it, the red isn’t wearable with everything however.
It’s not like I scream this is maga country and bash the nearest gay wearing it.
It’s a hat, it’s fine.

The Mr McMahon documentary on Netflix had at least Taker and Stone Cold in it denying CTE, think more superstars too, that shocked me.
It’s a fact that repeated hits damage the brain, but everyone reacts to it differently
 
The Mr McMahon documentary on Netflix had at least Taker and Stone Cold in it denying CTE, think more superstars too, that shocked me.
It’s a fact that repeated hits damage the brain, but everyone reacts to it differently
I've sometimes wondered why a company (maybe a WWE subsidiary) doesn't specialize in manufacturing realistic-looking yet harmless chairs, gimmicked tables, etcetera.
 
I've sometimes wondered why a company (maybe a WWE subsidiary) doesn't specialize in manufacturing realistic-looking yet harmless chairs, gimmicked tables, etcetera.
They're called prop companies but it's often cheaper to do it yourself, Mick talks about gimmicking tables and chairs in his first book.

The prop company chairs are made of a steel thats tempered differently so it's far more malleable than a regular folding chair.
 
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I own one, sure.
It was a gift from an older relative but I like it, the red isn’t wearable with everything however.
It’s not like I scream this is maga country and bash the nearest gay wearing it.
It’s a hat, it’s fine.

The Mr McMahon documentary on Netflix had at least Taker and Stone Cold in it denying CTE, think more superstars too, that shocked me.
It’s a fact that repeated hits damage the brain, but everyone reacts to it differently
The thing about CTE specifically that gives me doubts is that "it can't be seen until the person is dead". Looking at pics of supposed CTE wracked brains, they often look shrunken with large gaps where there shouldn't be. So you mean to tell me that can't be picked up on a cat scan or something? I'm not sure if CTE really exists, but it sounds like punch-drunk syndrome to me.

I think if you asked Austin or Taker about punch-drunk syndrome, I can't imagine them denying that.
 
I've sometimes wondered why a company (maybe a WWE subsidiary) doesn't specialize in manufacturing realistic-looking yet harmless chairs, gimmicked tables, etcetera.
They do, now. After the CTE thing started gaining traction they began using prop stuff. The result is tribalist retards trying to bury companies for using fake props in their fake fighting matches.

When Chris Jericho took a bump off thetop of a cage onto a crashpad edrones on social media threw a shit fit over a fifty year old man not taking a 16 foot bump onto concrete.


When The Grayson Waller got dumped from the top of a ladder and landed on another ladder set up outside the ring the EliTrannies spent the entire rest of wrestlemania night trying to convince people to cancel their subscriptions for Peacock since the ladder was made of plastic, foam, and fiberglass.
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The problem is that even with all this gimmicked equipment people can still get hurt and botches can happen. That isn't even getting into the real issue with CTE. CTE isn't like TBI where you get a single massive shock to the brain the permanently fucks it up. CTE is the result of a lot of smaller traumas building up over time.

The thing about CTE specifically that gives me doubts is that "it can't be seen until the person is dead". Looking at pics of supposed CTE wracked brains, they often look shrunken with large gaps where there shouldn't be. So you mean to tell me that can't be picked up on a cat scan or something? I'm not sure if CTE really exists, but it sounds like punch-drunk syndrome to me.

I think if you asked Austin or Taker about punch-drunk syndrome, I can't imagine them denying that.
There is a reason that punch drunkness wasn't really a thing in the days of bareknuckle boxing but immediately became a massive issue once gloves where introduced. In bareknuckles boxing if you catch one decent blow to the right place on the head or face you are out, match over. With gloves you have boxers taking dozens of softened blows to the head each fight. Yes the people getting punched aren't getting knocked out in a single hit, but their brain is getting bounced around their skull over and over again.

Wrestlers traditionally worked several nights a week most of a year. Even if they are responsible, avoiding dangerous spots, and aren't getting potatoed they still end up with their head getting violently bounced every night they work for their entire career.

They're called prop companies but it's often cheaper to do it yourself, Mick talks about gimmicking tables and chairs in his first book.

The steel the chairs are made of is tempered differently so it's far more malleable than a regular folding chair.
Then there is just gimmicked chairs. Back in the day before they had props they would "gimmick" a chair by detatching popping the rivets at the joints and seat, then lightly securing it in place so that when swung the fall apart at the slightest bump. There is actually a really funny story about the Big Boss Man and a gimmicked chair.

And the actual spot.

Many I love how rowdy the crowds used to be.
 
The thing about CTE specifically that gives me doubts is that "it can't be seen until the person is dead". Looking at pics of supposed CTE wracked brains, they often look shrunken with large gaps where there shouldn't be. So you mean to tell me that can't be picked up on a cat scan or something? I'm not sure if CTE really exists, but it sounds like punch-drunk syndrome to me.

I think if you asked Austin or Taker about punch-drunk syndrome, I can't imagine them denying that.
Punch drunk syndrome is essentially CTE, idk what else being repeatedly hit in the head and experiencing madness could be.
 
@ElHijodeDeficienciaCogni said...
There is a reason that punch drunkness wasn't really a thing in the days of bareknuckle boxing but immediately became a massive issue once gloves where introduced. In bareknuckles boxing if you catch one decent blow to the right place on the head or face you are out, match over. With gloves you have boxers taking dozens of softened blows to the head each fight. Yes the people getting punched aren't getting knocked out in a single hit, but their brain is getting bounced around their skull over and over again.

Not to mention, in bare knuckle fighting you can't punch as hard without the risk of breaking your hands.

Wrestlers traditionally worked several nights a week most of a year. Even if they are responsible, avoiding dangerous spots, and aren't getting potatoed they still end up with their head getting violently bounced every night they work for their entire career.

Bringing it back to my favorite wrestler, Bob Backlund... it's come out recently that he's suffering from dementia. A guy like that did not do risky spots, he was a mat wrestler, but, he was adamant about taking most of his bumps flat back. to save wear and tear on his hips knees and ankles...to diminish the force of the bump by taking it across his back...per his book. Often when taking flat back bumps, you are still going to bang the back of your head, even if it's just a bit, and the back of the head is the worst spot to get hit as the back of your skull isn't as thick as the forehead. It wouldn't surprise me, if years of taking those almost exclusive flat back bumps didn't in some way, contribute to Bob's current condition.
 
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I understand and respect his family on why they didn’t, but genuinely think Terry Funk’s brain could have had some valuable insight into CTE.

God love him, but that Beyond The Mat documentary showed he was already experiencing what seemed to be CTE in the early 2000’s and he kept going.

Boxing is one way to look at it, another is bare knuckle fighting, football, wrestling.

The uniting factor is being hit in the head over and over whether it’s in a hard or soft manner.

Antonio Brown is a fantastic example of still living CTE caused by pro football, he’s hilarious but insane now after taking too many vicious hits.
He has a thread in lolcow general but it’s not a huge or super active one.
He’s another one that doesn’t believe CTE exists.
 
He looks even smaller and weaker than before. Like dude, just because you couldn't use your feet doesn't mean you couldn't work the arms.
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MJF from the top rope
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Is it just me or is MJF the babyface in this one?

Right but Bret is 99% wrong.
He had a rare W when he said nothing political about Trump and kept it all to wrestling.
Bret would be anti Trump if Trump fucked over his wrestling career, however Trump didn't fuck his career and Bret couldn't think of why he should hate him so he went to somewhere where he'd know him by.

Boxing is one way to look at it, another is bare knuckle fighting, football, wrestling.

The uniting factor is being hit in the head over and over whether it’s in a hard or soft manner.
Honestly I wonder how much of a comparable rate of CTE diagnosis within Football, MMA, and Wrestling. Like which sport carries the most risk of CTE?
 
Punch drunk syndrome is essentially CTE, idk what else being repeatedly hit in the head and experiencing madness could be.
I wanted to follow up on this as I forgot to mention it in my original post. I believe CTE is simply a "rediscovery" of what was always known as Punch-Drunk Syndrome. It's nothing new, just a different name for it.

To answer the question directly above, I'd say Boxing would be first, MMA/Football second and wrestling last out of those choices. Hockey is another one worth keeping an eye on. I don't follow the sport, but those checks players regularly take have to be very head jarring.
 
@ElHijodeDeficienciaCogni said...
There is a reason that punch drunkness wasn't really a thing in the days of bareknuckle boxing but immediately became a massive issue once gloves where introduced. In bareknuckles boxing if you catch one decent blow to the right place on the head or face you are out, match over. With gloves you have boxers taking dozens of softened blows to the head each fight. Yes the people getting punched aren't getting knocked out in a single hit, but their brain is getting bounced around their skull over and over again.

Not to mention, in bare knuckle fighting you can't punch as hard without the risk of breaking your hands.

Wrestlers traditionally worked several nights a week most of a year. Even if they are responsible, avoiding dangerous spots, and aren't getting potatoed they still end up with their head getting violently bounced every night they work for their entire career.

Bringing it back to my favorite wrestler, Bob Backlund... it's come out recently that he's suffering from dementia. A guy like that did not do risky spots, he was a mat wrestler, but, he was adamant about taking most of his bumps flat back. to save wear and tear on his hips knees and ankles...to diminish the force of the bump by taking it across his back...per his book. Often when taking flat back bumps, you are still going to bang the back of your head, even if it's just a bit, and the back of the head is the worst spot to get hit as the back of your skull isn't as thick as the forehead. It wouldn't surprise me, if years of taking those almost exclusive flat back bumps didn't in some way, contribute to Bob's current condition.
heard about Backlund, its unfortunate, my older cousin often texts me 80s wrestling clips (I started watching in 2007 so I am moreso a typical Gen Z Cena fan, though ive seen plenty of 90s and early 2000s matches via YouTube and other sites), 80s definitely seemed safer given the fact , but yeah taking even minor bumps can add up over time, I was discussing Hogans back problems, and even the leg drop can be risky if you are doing it hundreds of times a year at weekly tv,house shows,ppvs,etc. its just not a life most people could handle especially as they age
 
iirc part of how people get CTE in football isn't just a knock to the noggin, but the massive impacts of body on body also cause the brain to slosh around in the skull a bit each time
which obviously doesn't eliminate wrasslin either
 
You actually wear a MAGA hat? :story:

But anyone denying CTE is real is a legit moron. Taker, Austin, etc. are all really stupid if they believe that
I think it's less they literally don't believe in it and more they won't say anything that could implicate Vince because they had a positive relationship with him and he made them incredibly rich. It was pretty telling when they were interviewing Jimmy Hart in that documentary, and he said something like, "I'm not sure if they'd want me to talk about that." Anyone who got filthy rich working for Vince probably isn't going to trash him too badly outside someone like Bret, Punk or Warrior who felt Vince dicked them over at some point.
 
Often when taking flat back bumps, you are still going to bang the back of your head, even if it's just a bit, and the back of the head is the worst spot to get hit as the back of your skull isn't as thick as the forehead. It wouldn't surprise me, if years of taking those almost exclusive flat back bumps didn't in some way, contribute to Bob's current condition.
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As Gorilla Monson said,
Right in the occipital protuberance
I think it's less they literally don't believe in it and more they won't say anything that could implicate Vince because they had a positive relationship with him and he made them incredibly rich. It was pretty telling when they were interviewing Jimmy Hart in that documentary, and he said something like, "I'm not sure if they'd want me to talk about that." Anyone who got filthy rich working for Vince probably isn't going to trash him too badly outside someone like Bret, Punk or Warrior who felt Vince dicked them over at some point.
Legends deals are the closest thing to a retirement some of these guy have, and burning a bridge with TKO is probably not the best idea.
 
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As Gorilla Monson said,


Legends deals are the closest thing to a retirement some of these guy have, and burning a bridge with TKO is probably not the best idea.
Lol, that pic is from the late 80s when Backlund did a brief stint with one of Japan's "worked shoot" promotions. He took a real battering in a couple of those matches. Taking stiff kicks to the skull, I'm sure, did him no favors.
 
I'm sure the last thing TKO wants is a NFL concussion style lawsuit from both past wrestlers and ufc fighters.
 
I'm sure the last thing TKO wants is a NFL concussion style lawsuit from both past wrestlers and ufc fighters.
A lawsuit like that, especially by UFC fighters, seems inevitable. During the recent settlement negotiations for their antitrust suit, something like 150 fighters sent in statements of support for the new deal. They all alleged a bunch of physical/mental issues suffered by the fighters (the argument being the settlement money would help them deal with that shit), and a lot alleged they were showing signs of TBI/CTE. Once the antitrust settlement money runs out a health issue lawsuit seems likely IMO.
 
I'm sure the last thing TKO wants is a NFL concussion style lawsuit from both past wrestlers and ufc fighters.
The WWE already had a class action lawsuit regarding CTE. The entire suit got dismissed. They tried to appeal to a higher court and worked it all the way up to the Supreme Court where it was declined. I posted Maven's video about the lawsuit a couple of days ago. The whole suit was really sketchy from what I recall and the lawyer was such a fuckup that he ended up having to pay his clients. I think he even pulled some Ty Beard tier retardation and failed to file basic paperwork on time.
 
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