General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[Travis Touchdown Cumsock]

It is an illusion that the rest of us have some kind of privilege based on the fact that our biological sex corresponds with our self-image as a man or a woman. This is a bizarre mantra that some people are chanting. And it is a symptom of psychiatric disorders, I believe it is called "splitting" when you think that all of group A is black and all of group B is white. With no shades of gray, or factual basis actually. Some people might think that the grass is greener on the other side, and when they finally make it over there, they have permanently lost their penis and now have a set of sagging tits and even more difficulty fitting in.

If you are a man with problems, is living life as a chemically and surgically constructed woman going to relieve your suffering?

If you have genuine gender dysphoria, (statistically, a very rare condition) yes, these drastic measures might be what it takes.

Sometimes I think that things have to get worse before they get better.

From what men have told me and just based on human behavior, having a penis is a really important thing for a male (no judge, no hate). How is any of this possibly going to have a good outcome for a lot of people?

I know, from talking with trans people firsthand, that many trans people pass on bottom surgery because the grass may not be greener on the other side with current methods. Dysphoria can sometimes miss some parts of the brain so sometimes transgender people can accept their bottom parts, othertimes they cannot and need bottom surgery. But to be transgender, a person will always at the bare minimum want to socially pass as the gender they identify as. If a person, for example, claims to be a trans man but is okay with flaunting big honkers around with zero effort to bind them and pass as a guy, and feels no sense of wrongness when called "she", then they are full o shiz.

It is, however, always the responsibility of trans people to inform potential dates of their condition, because, newsflash, it does matter and it matters a lot to most people. You are bound to be sexually incompatible with some people and compatible with others. Literally everyone is. It's the reason why sexual orientations exist.

 

[Non-Expert!]

I know, from talking with trans people firsthand, that many trans people pass on bottom surgery because the grass may not be greener on the other side with current methods. Dysphoria can sometimes miss some parts of the brain so sometimes transgender people can accept their bottom parts, othertimes they cannot and need bottom surgery. But to be transgender, a person will always at the bare minimum want to socially pass as the gender they identify as. If a person, for example, claims to be a trans man but is okay with flaunting big honkers around with zero effort to bind them and pass as a guy, and feels no sense of wrongness when called "she", then they are full o shiz.

I guess that I am an accepting person. But if you want to pass as a dude, then look and act the role. If you want to pass as a woman then do the best you can. I would be very careful about taking hormones or doing surgeries.

I mean honestly, why can't we just accept dudes in drag and diesel dykes as whatever they want to be?

Ok you want to be one of the guys? Let me see that cock. You think you are a girl? Lift your skirt, Helga ... get outta here!

Do I need to show you my vagina, in order for you to believe you are talking to a woman?

What is insidious about most of this trans stuff, is that it is so infused with male-think. (No hate.) But this is the way men think more than women, that their crotch is the epicenter of their gender identity. (No judge ... ) Sorry I know these concepts are culturally infused with resentment, but that is not my intent. So I could see men, thinking by analogy: my cock makes me male. Her vagina makes her female. She thinks her vagina is the essence of her femaleness. Therefore to be a woman I need a vagina.

As a woman I don't feel a void between my legs. I feel like nothing belongs there that isn't there. If I woke up one day and I had narrower thighs and male genitalia hanging from my pelvis, I would feel very disoriented, and something is there that isn't supposed to be there.

I suppose that if you have that feeling about your own penis and testicles, then you might be one of these rare people who actually have this problem.

Same with women and their breasts. I am not sure if transmen feel like a penis is missing. But I do know that breasts attached to their ribcages tend to be very distressing for them.

Maybe a discernment process is called for .... rather than "when in doubt ... troon out!"

 

[Travis Touchdown Cumsock]

I guess that I am an accepting person. But if you want to pass as a dude, then look and act the role. If you want to pass as a woman then do the best you can. I would be very careful about taking hormones or doing surgeries.

I mean honestly, why can't we just accept dudes in drag and diesel dykes as whatever they want to be?

Ok you want to be one of the guys? Let me see that cock. You think you are a girl? Lift your skirt, Helga ... get outta here!

Do I need to show you my vagina, in order for you to believe you are talking to a woman?

What is insidious about most of this trans stuff, is that it is so infused with male-think. (No hate.) But this is the way men think more than women, that their crotch is the epicenter of their gender identity. (No judge ... ) Sorry I know these concepts are culturally infused with resentment, but that is not my intent. So I could see men, thinking by analogy: my cock makes me male. Her vagina makes her female. She thinks her vagina is the essence of her femaleness. Therefore to be a woman I need a vagina.

As a woman I don't feel a void between my legs. I feel like nothing belongs there that isn't there. If I woke up one day and I had narrower thighs and male genitalia hanging from my pelvis, I would feel very disoriented, and something is there that isn't supposed to be there.

I suppose that if you have that feeling about your own penis and testicles, then you might be one of these rare people who actually have this problem.

Same with women and their breasts. I am not sure if transmen feel like a penis is missing. But I do know that breasts attached to their ribcages tend to be very distressing for them.

Maybe a discernment process is called for .... rather than "when in doubt ... troon out!"

You do know that I am a woman right, lol

You seem a little confused.

 

[Non-Expert!]

You do know that I am a woman right, lol

Your avatar screams "male" -

Well then I suppose you know what I am talking about ...

This is a very sensitive topic. I get afraid of speaking in bold and brazen stereotypes and people's experiences are all very different. And being that it is a public forum, others can take or leave what I or anybody else says.

Most of us can only speak candidly from personal experience.

Maybe your avatar is transgender,

 

[Travis Touchdown Cumsock]

Your avatar screams "male" -

Well then I suppose you know what I am talking about ...

I am the sock, not the travis. you misunderstand my Farms persona! lol

Anyway, I'm honestly not critical of whether or not a trans person has surgeries or not, but at the bare minimum they should be trying to present as their identified gender so other people understand. That's how one gets taken seriously. And if they don't get it, explanation is the way to deal with the issue, not throwing a hissy fit.

 

[Doug_S1]

In 20 years, fathers will say, "Why can't my son be normal? Why doesn't he jack off to trap porn and anime like the other kids?"

 

[Travis Touchdown Cumsock]

Your avatar screams "male" -

Well then I suppose you know what I am talking about ...

This is a very sensitive topic. I get afraid of speaking in bold and brazen stereotypes and people's experiences are all very different. And being that it is a public forum, others can take or leave what I or anybody else says.

Most of us can only speak candidly from personal experience.

Maybe your avatar is transgender,

To alleviate your confusion, I'm just a really manly woman.

The forums used to display a user's gender if specified, but do not anymore. It's more that it's not super obvious.

I ain't judging honestly since this is not a place where gender presentation is super obvious. Honestly my KF persona needed a bit of lore so I made a profile to go with her, lol.

 

[jorgoth]

If transgender people weren't so loud and power-hungry we'd give them as much thought as flat-earthers.

 

[Non-Expert!]

To alleviate your confusion, I'm just a really manly woman.

The forums used to display a user's gender if specified, but do not anymore. It's more that it's not super obvious.

I ain't judging honestly since this is not a place where gender presentation is super obvious. Honestly my KF persona needed a bit of lore so I made a profile to go with her, lol.

So would you say that being a "manly woman" is a state that is more or less immutable, basically from cradle to the grave?

By extension, in your opinion, is being an "effeminate male" a lifestyle choice, or is it just the way some people are?

And are these states of gender non-conformity inextricably linked to sexual orientation? By this I mean, are "butch" women consistently lesbians, and are men who are "light in the loafers" all gay?

And what is the link, in your experience, with gender dysphoria?

If transgender people weren't so loud and power-hungry we'd give them as much thought as flat-earthers.

Actually I suspect that we are only hearing from lunatics. We have (or had) someone on the line here who might clarify things.

 

[Travis Touchdown Cumsock]

So would you say that being a "manly woman" is a state that is more or less immutable, basically from cradle to the grave?

By extension, in your opinion, is being an "effeminate male" a lifestyle choice, or is it just the way some people are?

And are these states of gender non-conformity inextricably linked to sexual orientation? By this I mean, are "butch" women consistently lesbians, and are men who are "light in the loafers" all gay?

And what is the link, in your experience, with gender dysphoria?



Actually I suspect that we are only hearing from lunatics. We have (or had) someone on the line here who might clarify things.

I'm a straight butch and that's something I feel is definitely, immutably true of me.

Butch lesbians are a trend but not a hard rule, much like how most men will be attracted to women to some degree, but some men will exclusively be attracted to men. Being butch may be linked to higher than average testosterone levels.

I think being a butch woman or girly guy are sometimes innate personality traits that a person must express in order to feel correct. But other times, people get indoctrinated from receiving wrong information. And this can cause them to think they are something they are not.

Basically, sometimes people wind up with naturally unusual hormone levels and that can affect their brain. Sometimes nature just does this on its own. Trooning out is convincing yourself you are trans because you read some tumblr post about how being trans is beautiful and internalized that propaganda, or some shit like that.

Also, honestly I think dysphoria can occur in mild, incomplete forms, where only some parts of the brain get affected. This may result in gender nonconformity that is genuine and not just to be contrarian to social pressures. And yes, in extremely rare circumstances, the dysphoria can be almost 50/50 split and create someone who is actually, mentally, non binary. However, this is so rare, it's even rarer than having transgender dysphoria because it's such a specific balance that needs to be struck to not go over the edge of going full trans. This is why 99.999% of "non binary" people are full of shit and have no idea what partial dysphoria is, they either want to feel special, or are very confused and have lost themselves in the wild west of misinformation. Unless partial dysphoria is more common than current medical science suggests...which would require more research. But realistically, this sudden wave of "non binary" kids are definitely riding the coattails of a trend that's not really a fun trend to ride in the first place. So, predictably, they get lured into hell, all because they conflate stereotypes with psychology.

For me, the line is drawn whether the person is the way they are to feel correct, or if they are doing it just to piss others off and be edgy. The latter makes you a tool, not a rebel. Because you are still giving into social pressure, just in the opposite direction.

 

[Otterly]

Re manly women/feminine men. Humans are just individuals with personalities. Some women are girly, some aren’t. Ditto men. That’s just a normal spread of personality types.
There’s certainly an ongoing debate about how personality is formed, nature or nurture and it’s probably a mix of both.
The only way it becomes a problem is when society forces men and women into little boxes where a woman MUST dress and act a certain way or she's considered ‘wrong.’ We we getting past that, I think, twenty or so years back.
Where it’s gotten supremely fucked up is the change from one sex being told they must act a certain way or they’re odd to being told that if they don’t act a certain way they are actually the opposite sex. That’s just pants on head crazy.
I’m sure there have been butch women and feminine men since we have been human. Not a single human has ever changed sex.

 

[Baloney Face]

If transgender people weren't so loud and power-hungry ...

Really it's a few transgender people and a helluva lot of leftists using transgender people as ideological human shields.

 

[SilkGnut]

Suppose there was a magic pill that made all your thoughts of wanting to be the opposite gender disappear. Like, Conversion therapy in a pill.
How many trannies do you think would actually take it?

If I were a man who wanted to become a transwoman, I'd much rather take the pill than transition tbh.

What if they are people who just wish to have the social advantages that appearing to be a female entails?

 

[PBJ Sucks]

I would say that like any appearance or personality thing there are unchangeable traits, traits that could be masked but not necessarily well enough to justify the effort, and some that are just superficial habit that you never noticed you had that could absolutely be changed.

Personality... Isn't what I'd call a very changeable thing. Controllable to a degree but not so changeable. I think it largely arises from things that you are and that happen to you- which is something you have only limited control over. So it's nice in theory to say that men and women are all the same because we're all people who can choose what we do, but in practice our experiences based on life events and biology have divides based on sex, creating significant trends and once set in it's hard to break patterns of thinking or behavior. Sex isn't the only one certainly, but it's pretty big.

Also, depending on the sort of personality trait there is something to be said for actively suppressing your expression of a trait but still feeling driven to act on it. So it's still there and worth accounting for, even if they've been largely successful at controlling it. A recovered alcoholic comes to mind.

 

[jorgoth]

Really it's a few transgender people and a helluva lot of leftists using transgender people as ideological human shields.

As usual the "core problem" is white/(((white))) middle class dropouts trying to get back at their parents. A look at mugshots of antifa more or less proves my point.

 

[Travis Touchdown Cumsock]

Re manly women/feminine men. Humans are just individuals with personalities. Some women are girly, some aren’t. Ditto men. That’s just a normal spread of personality types.
There’s certainly an ongoing debate about how personality is formed, nature or nurture and it’s probably a mix of both.
The only way it becomes a problem is when society forces men and women into little boxes where a woman MUST dress and act a certain way or she's considered ‘wrong.’ We we getting past that, I think, twenty or so years back.
Where it’s gotten supremely fucked up is the change from one sex being told they must act a certain way or they’re odd to being told that if they don’t act a certain way they are actually the opposite sex. That’s just pants on head crazy.
I’m sure there have been butch women and feminine men since we have been human. Not a single human has ever changed sex.

Ohhh yeah. The new SJW lunacy of "if you don't conform you might be trans!!!!11!" is extremely toxic and needs to stop. Gender nonconforming people who are not transgender have existed since the dawn of humanity and are not going away any time soon.

Honestly they are so much more common than the actual medical condition known as gender dysphoria, it's painfully obvious that most of tumblr's transtrenders who block people for disagreeing with them over their favorite Animal Jam character...they are confused and refuse to accept that they are mistaken.

I'm just a staunch, but polite, transmedicalist. Being trans is a medical condition some people have and need to treat. Being legitimately non-binary (not what tumblr thinks non binary means) is an incomplete form of the same medical condition. If you don't have these super rare medical conditions, transitioning is not right for you; you may be gender nonconforming but if you have no actual dysphoria which requires modifying your features from birth to feel comfortable in your own skin, then nah you ain't trans.

Saying "you don't need dysphoria to be trans" is like saying "you don't need metabolic disorder to be diabetic" it's fucking idiotic.

That said, dysphoria comes in different shapes and sizes and no two people experience dysphoria in exactly the same way. I think it's possible for, example, dysphoria to miss a trans man's chest programming so he's fine with his booobs and just binds them to pass. This is not the kind of thing I criticize, because he still has dysphoria, it's just not 100% complete. Tucutes make the argument that a person with ZERO DYSPHORIA WHATSOEVER can be transgender which is like, next level dumb. And they have a knee jerk reaction to the very word dysphoria, they are so thin skinned because they can't come to peace with being wrong. lol

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

The whole trans pandemic is almost an oxymoron. It's people not wanting to fit into labels, then transition and do everything that a label tells them to. Butch lesbians practically always get side/undercut, the Bieber hairstyle, or wear snapbacks and wifebeaters. Because that's manly and that's what appeals to their desire to look manly. Same with those horrid polka dotted/floral dresses fat troons wear to AGDQ. It's like they give up any sense of what they've become in life so far to revert to what "society considers" being (x) gender age 4 to 15. Unruly boytoy hair for women and stockings for men.

Saying "you don't need dysphoria to be trans" is like saying "you don't need metabolic disorder to be diabetic" it's fucking idiotic.

At this point I hear people on HRT and shit straight up say they wanna be a hot dickgirl cus of porn. I don't think you need anything but the desire to become that to consider yourself trans at this point. I mean fuck, even /gif/ is now calling shemale threads 'trans girls'. It has become a thin veil of being "considerate" to use instead of "man who wants to be a hot dickgirl" like futa, shemale, or dickgirl.

 

[Travis Touchdown Cumsock]

The whole trans pandemic is almost an oxymoron. It's people not wanting to fit into labels, then transition and do everything that a label tells them to. Butch lesbians practically always get side/undercut, the Bieber hairstyle, or wear snapbacks and wifebeaters. Because that's manly and that's what appeals to their desire to look manly. Same with those horrid polka dotted/floral dresses fat troons wear to AGDQ. It's like they give up any sense of what they've become in life so far to revert to what "society considers" being (x) gender age 4 to 15. Unruly boytoy hair for women and stockings for men.
At this point I hear people on HRT and shit straight up say they wanna be a hot dickgirl cus of porn. I don't think you need anything but the desire to become that to consider yourself trans at this point. I mean fuck, even /gif/ is now calling shemale threads 'trans girls'. It has become a thin veil of being "considerate" to use instead of "man who wants to be a hot dickgirl" like futa, shemale, or dickgirl.

Honestly.

People being tools of social pressure at the end of the day anyway, while calling themselves "progressive rebels", is just embarrassing.

Praise for coming out is reserved for people who did it against social stigma because it's who they are in their true nature, not people who were given asspats by some strangers online, and because they aren't sure of who they really are yet, they believe the shit they are fed because they are addicted to that high of getting validation from those people. And they fear losing that approval.

This is why SJWs are a disease, because they stalk and harass people who leave their cult like Scientologists, only they manage to be even more insane than that somehow. They aren't just morons, they are dangerous, cultist morons.

 

[Michellandin']

This is why SJWs are a disease, because they stalk and harass people who leave their cult like Scientologists, only they manage to be even more insane than that somehow. They aren't just morons, they are dangerous, cultist morons.

Careful, these are just the followers, any intellectual person who is labeled SJW isn't nearly as insane, simply sympathetic. Very much in vein of someone like Carl Benjamin and his Neo Nazi and ethnostate followers.

 

[Travis Touchdown Cumsock]

Careful, these are just the followers, any intellectual person who is labeled SJW isn't nearly as insane, simply sympathetic. Very much in vein of someone like Carl Benjamin and his Neo Nazi and ethnostate followers.

The extreme SJWs are generally beyond any sort of viewing their "cishet oppressors" as human. There are both followers, and feeders who contribute to the rise of the social justice extremism issue.

The leaders are good at bombarding followers with fake positivity in order to groom them.