General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

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Where do people stand on non-binary?

Personally I don't buy it. You're not non-binary, you're just a guy or girl that isn't in touch with conventionally male or female activities/priorities. Drag race is back and I've noticed quite a few very successful drag queens now identify as non-binary and when asked, they flat out say its because they've never felt in touch with their masculine side.

It's a pity that the gay rights movement for 50 years was all about how being into dudes doesn't make a gay person any less of a man, but now saying you inhabit some nightmare zone that is neither male nor female is met with praise.

Cheap cash-in on being trans without taking any action. I absolutely lost it when this air-for-brains lisp-forcing idiot I knew came out as "non-binary male". These labels don't mean anything anymore and it just makes the cry for attention all the more apparent. Reminds me of a forum I used as a teen on which Slipknot was trending. One dude joined in, was asked if he even knew what was on his avatar, to which he went "a Slipknot". Basically how sexuality labels are at this point. A blind pick for attention.

funny seeing a post on tumblr that's like "transfems on reddit are self hating and also transpassing is problematic" but then going on reddit and seeing them saying "trans people on 4chan, wow much self hate"

lol weird thing but is there some sort of social media hierarchy with them?

Ironically, chicks with dicks threads on /gif/ are 50% arguing for transsexuality and respecting these 'girls', to the point even the thread titles went from BIG DICK SHEMALE TRANNY to just "trans" or whatever.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

Where do people stand on non-binary?

Personally I don't buy it. You're not non-binary, you're just a guy or girl that isn't in touch with conventionally male or female activities/priorities. Drag race is back and I've noticed quite a few very successful drag queens now identify as non-binary and when asked, they flat out say its because they've never felt in touch with their masculine side.

It's a pity that the gay rights movement for 50 years was all about how being into dudes doesn't make a gay person any less of a man, but now saying you inhabit some nightmare zone that is neither male nor female is met with praise.

I think it's bullshit, but I have another perspective I thought I would share too.

There is a member of my own family who as a result of real genetic defects was born without distinct male or female genitalia; to the degree that no bottom surgery was (or could easily at the time) be performed to assign them one.

He (French is ill-suited for gender-neutral pronouns, and it's the one they continue to use legally and when speaking French) was raised as a boy and passed without issue until around 13/14 when they continued to appear very childlike, short and androgenous compared to their male peers who were going through changes. Today having moved elsewhere they tend to be addressed with female pronouns by strangers, and they make no effort to correct people one way or the other (they do have a more female-like face).

This same person almost got kicked out of university for discrimination because they refused to use non-binary pronouns to describe others and was enraged at the idea that someone who had a perfectly well functioning body would "glamorize" and try to make trendy what they consider to be a physical disability. The only reason I actually accept the idea that body dysmorphia is a thing is because I've seen this person who is very male in their mind silently struggle and continually hit a brick wall with a body that just isn't built for that; not being able to their dream job they wanted to do because they don't have the physical strength, being constantly bullied for looking very different once puberty kicked in, being frustrated and terrified of starting a relationship (thankfully they did find someone who was creeped out at first but ultimately accepted it).

Being "special" isn't always cool or fun, there are a small number of people in this world who really are neither male or female and if his experience is anything to go by it's a state of perpetual torment and anything but a quirky feel-good self-descriptor.

 

[Slap47]

Here is a weird idea:

Transpeople are becoming the late American Empire's eunuch class. They're getting preferential hiring and organizing to support eachother. Eunuch's existed in China because they couldn't have kids and weren't aggressive or respected enough to take power. People become trans for status and opportunities and they are no threat to the status quo.

Where do people stand on non-binary?

Personally I don't buy it. You're not non-binary, you're just a guy or girl that isn't in touch with conventionally male or female activities/priorities. Drag race is back and I've noticed quite a few very successful drag queens now identify as non-binary and when asked, they flat out say its because they've never felt in touch with their masculine side.

It's a pity that the gay rights movement for 50 years was all about how being into dudes doesn't make a gay person any less of a man, but now saying you inhabit some nightmare zone that is neither male nor female is met with praise.

It's weird how feminism and this gender debate has lead to the reinforcing of gendered identities. Instead of getting rid of the idea of "guy things" and "women things" we have connected the liking of these things to genetics.

A tomboy that likes rough housing with the guys? You're obviously trans.
Not obsessed with sex? Do things that fit into both gender roles? You're non-binary.

You also see a weird change with the gays. Instead of emphasizing that gays are people like everybody else they try to force a gay identity. You'll find so many gays that hate the LGBT identity based on the fact that they're not flamboyant or on the left wing of the autism spectrum.

Conservatives sperg about this but it almost kindof is a religion. You need to conform to certain ideals and there is evangelizing and extremism. The religion isn't necessarily being gay or trans itself but conforming to the identity and participating in and serving the "community".

 

[Slap47]

Of course the brain can be made to match the body, it's that nobody ever tries.

Yeah... Transpeople would benefit from Buddhism.

It's all about conquering the mind to find peace. Hell, if I was ever asked to perfectly sum up the benefits of Buddhism I'd cite transpeople. Not even a Buddhist but the core idea is a healthy one.

 

[Jason Wynn]

Where do people stand on non-binary?

It's just as much bullshit as pansexual (aka bisexuality for Tumblr snowflakes)

I knew girls growing up who were kind of tomboys, dressed less girly, liked things that typically targeted guys. I knew a few effeminate guys also who would rather hang out with the girls playing house and baking than horsing around with the other guys.

The tomboy girls still crushed on guys. They still thought of themselves as girls, they just liked what they liked, and fuck anyone that tried giving them shit about it. We call that 'based' not non binary. Don't know what became of the effeminate guys, but I'd imagine a similar mindset. It's leftist millennial faggots who think that because little Jimmy bakes cookies or little Cassie likes shooting hoops, they MUST be trans/non binary/other alphabet term! Just letting people enjoy hobbies without attaching a sexual label to them? Pfft! That's alt-right fascist talk!

 

[interalia]

Cheap cash-in on being trans without taking any action. I absolutely lost it when this air-for-brains lisp-forcing idiot I knew came out as "non-binary male". These labels don't mean anything anymore and it just makes the cry for attention all the more apparent. Reminds me of a forum I used as a teen on which Slipknot was trending. One dude joined in, was asked if he even knew what was on his avatar, to which he went "a Slipknot". Basically how sexuality labels are at this point. A blind pick for attention.
Ironically, chicks with dicks threads on /gif/ are 50% arguing for transsexuality and respecting these 'girls', to the point even the thread titles went from BIG DICK SHEMALE TRANNY to just "trans" or whatever.

What do you think the odds are that some guys are doing this to maximize their odds of getting laid?

 

[World's Smallest Violin]

I wonder if troons' will change their tune when they learn being a womyn uwu isn't really wearing stockings and used panties and parading yourself around like some hussy.

 

[Slap47]

I wonder if troons' will change their tune when they learn being a womyn uwu isn't really wearing stockings and used panties and parading yourself around like some hussy.

I mean... it kinda is though. During International Women's Day thousands of women went straight to twitter to e-beg and thot it up. That was supposed to be empowering.

You could link transgenderism to a perverse view of women but you could also say that view is based on reality.

 

[World's Smallest Violin]

I mean... it kinda is though. During International Women's Day thousands of women went straight to twitter to e-beg and thot it up. That was supposed to be empowering.

You could link transgenderism to a perverse view of women but you could also say that view is based on reality.

I wouldn't doubt it though. But i also wouldn't doubt the high amount of trans piggybacking off women's day for the clout and the coochie.

 

[Rap Scallion]

Why do so many people put little to no effort into passing?

Trans, nonbinary, whatever. Maybe it's just a coincidence with what I stumble upon online and in-person but the majority of people I see or meet who fall into this category put little to no effort into being viewed as whatever gender they're trying to be.

There are plenty of resources and tutorials available for things like makeup and body language but instead it's just minimal effort throw-on-a-costume *if even that) while insisting about muh pronouns. It's not even a matter of visibly trying and not being able to pull it off (but still trying).

"Safety" seems to be cited as the primary concern for why no effort is made, but even taking that into account, there's still ways to express masculine/feminine appearances without trooning so obviously. These people who reeee on the internet about their identity just want the special titles without putting any of the effort into it and get pissed off when complete strangers call them sir/ma'am.

Throws hats my way if needed but I'm tired of looking at thinning, greasy hairlines on troons. Invest in a nice wig, FFS.

 

[Underestimated Nutria]

Yeah... Transpeople would benefit from Buddhism.

It's all about conquering the mind to find peace. Hell, if I was ever asked to perfectly sum up the benefits of Buddhism I'd cite transpeople. Not even a Buddhist but the core idea is a healthy one.

The vinaya (rules for monks) explicitly forbid a pandaka, which is traditionally thought to mean something like a eunuch/someone with deformed genitals/hermaphrodite, or even, some think, some sort of prototroon.

The vinaya has an interesting history in that initially, the buddhist community was sufficiently small and well behaved (the idea, I suppose, is that they were all enlightened) that no rules were necessary, and that rules were only made on an ad hoc basis as required over the next forty odd years. There's always an interesting story behind each one, and the pandaka rule involves a prototroon who was, unsurprisingly, considered excessively dissolute (animal fucking was involved, as I recall), necessitating a permanent prohibition on their kind.

 

[Consider Lizärds]

Whilst we can all chuckle at the buffoonery off those trapped in the wrong gender, it's generally a given that their decisions in that regard, however ridiculous, are theres to make.

Now imagine, if you will, a conjoined pair of biological men. Two heads, but one penis. What if the left head (Steve) is convinced he/they are woman, and their body should reflect that. Steve B (right head) strongly denies any gender dissatisfaction and is, at most, gay. And the penis must stay.

How can this be resolved? Can it be resolved? Is there a controlling interest in shared body parts? Is there any legal remedy for the Steves?

It's most likely the law, and society at large, would say no penis removal without joint consent. But I want to go deeper. This might happen one day.

Maybe the bigger head should decide. I just don't know.

 

[mr.moon1488]

I mean, I'd say just cut off the head that has an obvious mental defect so the other one can live a normal life.

 

[Chan the Wizard]

Can the both feel it? Do one penis conjoined twins both orgasm?

I think the fair solution is to split it down the middle like a hotdog that has been microwaved too long.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Aren't twins on record for being similar in not just in appearance, but in personality and interests? I don't think it's out of the possibility that if one twin felt they were trans, the other would as well.

I'd assume the HRT wouldn't be pleasant for the other person, though. Imagine having double the anxiety and psychological issues that come from the shock of feeling your body change, especially if sharing the same body.

 

[Underestimated Nutria]

I love these conjoined twin dilemmas.

What if one head consents and the other is yelling, "stop"? What if one commits a crime? etc I've never heard convincing answers, really.

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

Aren't twins on record for being similar in not just in appearance, but in personality and interests? I don't think it's out of the possibility that if one twin felt they were trans, the other would as well.

I'd assume the HRT wouldn't be pleasant for the other person, though. Imagine having double the anxiety and psychological issues that come from the shock of feeling your body change, especially if sharing the same body.

We discussed this in one of the trans insanity threads, where one member of a pair of conjoined twins decided she was a man and made the other twin suffer for it. Also, scientifically if identical twins grow up near each other, they become different. It's only raised apart that they grow up to basically mirror one another.

ETA: are there conjoined twins who "share" genitalia? Even inseparable ones like Abby and Brittany Hensel reportedly have two vaginas.

I love these conjoined twin dilemmas.

What if one head consents and the other is yelling, "stop"? What if one commits a crime? etc I've never heard convincing answers, really.

I'd wonder how much they could theoretically commit. Imagine trying to rob a bank with 120-160lbs of limp person impeding your movement because they don't want to be a crook, and also they're completely attached to you. I'd imagine you couldn't even make it out the door. As far as the sex goes I've no idea.

 

[Orion Balls]

Aren't twins on record for being similar in not just in appearance, but in personality and interests? I don't think it's out of the possibility that if one twin felt they were trans, the other would as well.

I'd assume the HRT wouldn't be pleasant for the other person, though. Imagine having double the anxiety and psychological issues that come from the shock of feeling your body change, especially if sharing the same body.

I have only known three sets of identical twins in my life. Two of the sets were both heterosexual and in one case one was homo and his brother was hetero. All accepted their birth gender. Hooray for anecdotal evidence!

E- I have known one hermaphrodite, chosen to be male at birth (because that's how they did stuff back when). Once she found out as an adult that she wasn't crazy for experiencing period cramps throughout her puberty, she had the doctors open her natural vaginal cavity back up. I lost track soon after that. But I know she shoots blanks but can get a stiffy, and can produce viable eggs.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

ETA: are there conjoined twins who "share" genitalia? Even inseparable ones like Abby and Brittany Hensel reportedly have two vaginas.

Yes, they're known as Ischiopagus Tripus (NSFL picture in link). If they survive the birth, they get surgery. Far as I know, no one's been recorded surviving to adulthood like this.

 

[Syaoran Li]

I don't think of these types of things and neither should OP.