General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[Non-Expert!]

I'm still trying to figure out why it is socially acceptable to guilt people into sex now.

When I was a teenager, it was the big anti-gay argument that "if we legalize the gays then people will expect us to have sex with them." We are ACTUALLY there now with transgenders where if you turn down sex with someone because they are trans than YOU are a bigot. Only the people at the top of the oppression hierarchy are allowed their own preference; lesbians and cismen need to get in line or be outcasts.

If I walked into a lesbian bar and demanded someone have sex with me or they're bigots; I would rightfully be called out on it. With transgender women you are brave for being the victim of someone's oppression.

Transgender "women" are still male. Although some do a great job passing as women, absolutely NOTHING is going to change the fact that every cell in their body including brain cells, are male, from conception to the grave. I am not trying to be mean, I am just stating an immutable biological fact.

This is generally a problem with men and boys. Their generally heterosexual mothers and sisters and aunts, health educators and ultimately girlfriends and wives have to remind some guys, that sex is not an entitlement. Or they have this boy scout mentality that OMG they are getting laid and they need to make the most of it because it may not happen again!

I also want to add that M2F are also screwed up men. So they might brandish the "oppression" weapon, because they know that if they shoot it in a timely manner, and at the right target, their oppression bullet might hit the right spot. So just sing the same song, and dance the same dance and somebody out there might actually listen to it.

 

[Salt_Merchant]

What I don't understand about social coercion of lesbians to have sex with troons is this: can't the lesbian in question just not be interested in the troon in question?

Were living in a post thought crime world

where your intentions are irrelevant and how the other party felt is much more important

 

[Otterly]

But I noticed that the rights that Trump wants to strip away, have little or nothing to do, with your well-stated summary of OUR issues with the Trans lobbies, and the priveliges they are pushing for.

What rights is he removing ? (Genuine question. Apologies I’m not American so don’t get the exposure to this in media here.). I thought he was banning military - is there something that’s a genuine rights violation as well?

 

[eternal dog mongler]

What rights is he removing ? (Genuine question. Apologies I’m not American so don’t get the exposure to this in media here.). I thought he was banning military - is there something that’s a genuine rights violation as well?

Banning trans in the military (which they were all mad about) and barring Medicare from paying for health care r/t transitioning (which nobody seems to...know about.) Medicaid will still pay for it in some states though.

That's basically it. Oh no, you can't serve in our fabricated military adventurism or get your dick inverted on the government's dime. Woe is you.

 

[jorgoth]

Transgender "women" are still male. Although some do a great job passing as women, absolutely NOTHING is going to change the fact that every cell in their body including brain cells, are male, from conception to the grave. I am not trying to be mean, I am just stating an immutable biological fact.

This is generally a problem with men and boys. Their generally heterosexual mothers and sisters and aunts, health educators and ultimately girlfriends and wives have to remind some guys, that sex is not an entitlement. Or they have this boy scout mentality that OMG they are getting laid and they need to make the most of it because it may not happen again!

I also want to add that M2F are also screwed up men. So they might brandish the "oppression" weapon, because they know that if they shoot it in a timely manner, and at the right target, their oppression bullet might hit the right spot. So just sing the same song, and dance the same dance and somebody out there might actually listen to it.

What can even bring these men into line? Probably not their dads, I assume a lot of dads actually encourage this kind of mentality. ("Go get 'em, son!") And they're not afraid enough of their female relatives to be brought into line by them. Is some kind of theocracy basically the only way?

 

[Duck Duck TUUURN]

What can even bring these men into line? Probably not their dads, I assume a lot of dads actually encourage this kind of mentality. And they're not afraid enough of their female relatives to be brought into line by them. Is some kind of theocracy basically the only way?

You need to bring these men to heel? Okay, Hillary.

Maybe their dads aren't around but that doesn't mean they need a fake one with a state-backed religious law in their place.

 

[jorgoth]

You need to bring these men to heel? Okay, Hillary.

Maybe their dads aren't around but that doesn't mean they need a fake one with a state-backed religious law in their place.

Man is a beast, and it is good that fear fills him.

 

[Non-Expert!]

What can even bring these men into line? Probably not their dads, I assume a lot of dads actually encourage this kind of mentality. ("Go get 'em, son!") And they're not afraid enough of their female relatives to be brought into line by them. Is some kind of theocracy basically the only way?

Nothing. Just deal with the fact that they are the freaks that they know they are. In polite parlance, they are called "outliers" ..... on the grand spectrum(s) of humanity there are extremes, in every aspect of what it takes to be human.

For example, on one end, we have performance and endurance athletes. On the other we have people who become disabled from simply never getting off the couch. One one end we have professors of neurology at HarvardMed. On the other, we have people sitting in homes, too intellectually disabled to feed themselves ... they too are outliers.

Most of the rest of us fall on a range, like it or not, of average.

Just deal with the fact that there are freaks among us, but do what you can to protect yourself and kids from extreme ideologies and behaviors. Where we are in error, is trying to incorporate what are natural outliers, into the range of average. While we don't need to go out of pur way to hurt people, folks that fall in the range of relatively normal functioning, should not be force-fed a plate of "weird and fucked up" for breakfast every morning, for the sake of inclusion.

Man is a beast, and it is good that fear fills him.

Um, eew.

 

[jorgoth]

Just deal with the fact that there are freaks among us, but do what you can to protect yourself and kids from extreme ideologies and behaviors.

The more our governing institutions get captured by these freaks the harder this gets. Don't minimize their cabalistic efforts to rule over everybody else.

 

[Non-Expert!]

The more our governing institutions get captured by these freaks the harder this gets. Don't minimize their cabalistic efforts to rule over everybody else.

And this is precisely what we are talking about.
But regardless of their attempts at social engineering, they are still pushing against the weight of "non-outliers" with their lipstick and sequin-adorned tranny bulldozer.

 

[jorgoth]

But regardless of their attempts at social engineering, they are still pushing against the weight of "non-outliers" with their lipstick and sequin-adorned tranny bulldozer.

I think you overestimate the "non-outliers," most of them are lemmings and will accept whatever is given to them with indifference. In fact a lot of people will join in in promoting the new "consensus." I mean look at how many "refugees and LGBT welcome" churches there are now that were "conservative" just 10 years ago, if they can turn Joe Six Pack can, too.

 

[Non-Expert!]

I think you overestimate the "non-outliers," most of them are lemmings and will accept whatever is given to them with indifference. In fact a lot of people will join in in promoting the new "consensus."

What new consensus? That chopping off your dick is normal? Here is some food for thought....

On a scale of 0 - 10, just how badly do you want to grow breasts, and get an operation inverting your penis into a smelly, semi-functional hole between your legs?

And if you were to wake up one day, with such a hole, how likely are you to want it thoroughly and regularly pounded by your choice of male?

0 (absolutely unlikely) ------ 10 (absolutely likely)

Now ask every male you know, gay and straight, the same question,

There is the real answer to the question. And where the "consensus" is.

 

[jorgoth]

I'm not talking about older people getting transitioned, I'm talking them pulling a James Younger once public vigilance fades. How many people are really going to fight back against that?

 

[Duck Duck TUUURN]

Troons don't believe you need gender dysphoria any more to be trans

That's a factor in the point I'm trying to make, that what does or does not qualify someone as definitively a true and honest "transgender" is totally up in the air so it's meaningless in terms of whether or not anybody accepts them as they want to identify. It didn't work for Rachel Dolezal on the racial front.

My point is that the goal of a transgender movement should be to normalize that someone who may act or even appear entirely female for instance, could be simply seen as a "he" if he's biolgically male. The idea is that whatever a person pursues or experiences in their life is part of what they are. Buck Angel's lifting weights and having a shaved head should be acknowledged a female experience. Blaire White's career should be known as a male experience. It should be that simple and respected and accepted as such. From an egalitarian point of view, what's the big deal, if the goal is ultimately full acceptance?

Instead, all of this is a battle over this word and it's definitions and counter-definitions. edited for spelling

 

[Neozeonian]

Trans people don't even exist. Fight me.

 

[Vajze Shqiptare]

Science proves transgender people are valid. Transwomen are women. It's a bigoted TERF belief that they're fetishists!

Got you.

We used a random sample of 2,450 18–60 year-olds in the general population of Sweden to study the prevalence as well as the social, sexual, and health correlates of transvestic fetishism (sexual arousal from cross-dressing). Almost three percent (2.8%) of men and 0.4% of women reported at least one episode of transvestic fetishism. Separation from parents, same-sex sexual experiences, being easily sexually aroused, pornography use, and higher masturbation frequency were significantly associated with transvestic fetishism. A positive attitude to this sexual practice and paraphilia indicators—sexual arousal from using pain, exposing genitals to a stranger, and spying on others having sex—were particularly strong correlates to the dependent variable.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00926230590477934

They're literally scientifically degenerates.

 

[averagejane]

Suppose there was a magic pill that made all your thoughts of wanting to be the opposite gender disappear. Like, Conversion therapy in a pill.
How many trannies do you think would actually take it?

If I were a man who wanted to become a transwoman, I'd much rather take the pill than transition tbh.

 

[Cheesetoast]

Zach made a complain out of nowhere, saying that cis people claim PTSD at the sight of troons.

Something I've noticed about troons is that they claim that no one but other troons understand their feels and experiences so we normies have no right to opinions about them. But at the same time, they claim to know what we feel and experience.

Oh - and troons? You can never know what it's like to be a woman because you have never been a woman and you'll never be a woman. So sit down and shut up.

 

[PBJ Sucks]

Something I've noticed about troons is that they claim that no one but other troons understand their feels and experiences so we normies have no right to opinions about them. But at the same time, they claim to know what we feel and experience.

Oh - and troons? You can never know what it's like to be a woman because you have never been a woman and you'll never be a woman. So sit down and shut up.

Yeah, because something as vague as dysphoria is exclusive to trannies. They are the only people ever who suffer. Oh wait, when other people feel dysphoric they treat it like a brain problem or like a personal problem they are responsible for dealing with. But for some reason it's different when it's about their bodies.

Wait, no. It's still treated like a brain or a personal problem. Except if you claim your body is a sex it is not. Somehow, the description it being a head problem encompasses it all until that arbitrary line, at which point you are encouraged to irreparably harm your body, go on a lifetime of expensive medical maintenance, and given permission to impose socially and financially on everybody else. Because of course they don't use any of that medical maintenance to treat their heads so they can work to become reliable contributing adults.

 

[Baloney Face]

My impression is the trans party line (if it may be called that) is that autogynephilia does not exist?