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jorgoth said:
Terfs would say that they identify as "lesbian" so they can guilt women into fucking them, same reason they want to go to women's restrooms, they think it'll make it easier for them to get laid. "YOU'RE TRANSPHOBIC SUCK THE GIRLPENIS BIGOT"
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That's a good point, and it's an example of the intention vs reception double standard that exists in the SJW philosophy. If you've ever taken a sexual harassment course as part of your job, you've heard the wisdom that it's not what your intent was, it's how it was perceived, meaning that even if your playful sexual banter in the breakroom was not meant to be hurtful, it doesn't matter if it was perceived as hurtful to others.

Somehow, this is completely reversed when it comes to trans people: with them it's the intention that matters, not the perception. If your intent is to be female and I perceive you as male, then I am in the wrong somehow. Well, it just doesn't work that way. If people don't perceive you as a certain gender, they just don't, and you can't force someone to accept that against their will. To me, it's almost ridiculous to tell anyone to refer to you as a certain gender, because if you actually came across as such they would address you as that way naturally. Wouldn't anyone want to really know how they stand with others? And if you feel like a she but someone calls you a he, is that really the worst thing in the world? Everyone has to walk on eggshells for it?
 

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Not so sure about all this ... retracting trans rights is not progress, and is an imprudent course of action, IMO.

Like it or not, we have to deal with these people, and even if they are sick, they will be healthier with access to the same services the rest of us enjoy. The better course of action is probably watch and wait, under current conditions, IMO.
 
Non-Expert! said:
Not so sure about all this ... retracting trans rights is not progress, and is an imprudent course of action, IMO.

Like it or not, we have to deal with these people, and even if they are sick, they will be healthier with access to the same services the rest of us enjoy. The better course of action is probably watch and wait, under current conditions, IMO.
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Who says I give a shit about whether or not these people are "healthy"? Why is it up to me to underwrite their mental illness? What's so hard about just letting them die?
 
jorgoth said:
Who says I give a shit about whether or not these people are "healthy"? Why is it up to me to underwrite their mental illness? What's so hard about just letting them die?
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Hmmm ....
Well, considering that anything a tranny can pick up, is something that can be passed on to you, is one solid argument. Before they are transgender, they are human. So marginalizing a population on the basis of a difference is a very bad public health choice, indeed.

Also, a lot of them have paid into "the system." Not just you. It is for the same reason that they should be entitled to SSI, Medicare, Medicaid, SSD, and SS, and spouse/survivor's benefits. Because they paid into it.

And why shouldn't we just let these people die? Well unfortunately very few people just politely clean up their affairs, sell their home, donate their posessions, ask the back-hoe guys to kindly dig the trench, lay in their coffin and politely and quietly die. Or for that matter, take the bus to the coroner's office with all their papers in a satchel, wait till 4 am, sit next to the nearest drain, and pull the trigger.

So aside from crassly devaluing the lives of people of difference, there is also a cost to their mental health crises, housing instability, illness and death. It is a lot cheaper, in a lot of cases, to keep throwing people life preservers on the tax payer dollar, then to pay for:

Incarceration
court costs
Emergency room visits
Cleanup of an unidentified descedant
Identification of an unidentified
Police calls
Accidents
Violence
Hoarding
Sex workers

Your insurance rates in general will go up, if marginal people are further marginalized. So will everybody's risk for disease and violence.
 
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Non-Expert! said:
Before they are transgender, they are human. So marginalizing a population on the basis of a difference is a very bad public health choice, indeed.
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they should have the same rights and curbs on rights as anyone else. So it should be no more legal to refuse someone a job they can do, or fire someone on the basis that they’re trans as it is to refuse someone because they’re black, or Jewish, or a woman, or anything else.
What shouldn’t happen is the removal of other people‘s rights on their demand. Women have a right to single sex spaces. A child has a right to a birth certificate that is a true and accurate representation of its origin.
Where health is considered, again the same rules that apply to everyone else. If a woman with PCOS is denied electrolysis for excess hair but a man gets it, that’s unfair. FtMs demanding they get ahead of women who need life saving mastectomies for cancer - nope. The same rules, the same weighing of clinical vs elective/cosmetic as everyone else.
I’ve asked the question ‘what rights do trans people lack that everyone else has?’ And the answer isn’t forthcoming, or if it is it’s about self ID and a desire to enter women’s spaces. But both those wants are not rights, they are removal of rights from others.
Nobody trans should be being fired or harmed simply for being trans. Mental health and genuine physical health issues should be treated like everyone else (a lot of them seem genuinely unwell...) but trans people cannot remove the rights of others either. Once you start trampling on the rights of others, you’re on a timer until people have had enough.
 
Duck Duck TUUURN said:
As best I remember it, years ago I made a post here wondering why Jessica Udischas can’t just be cool with being a feminine straight male and not a “trans lesbian”, and I got dogged with disagrees and someone jumped down my throat that gender dysphoria is totally real. There must be a totally different set of kiwis in this thread!
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Troons don't believe you need gender dysphoria any more to be trans, it's just something you wake up and decide to be. Ignore the fact that they're all incredibly unhappy which is literally dysphoria.

Non-Expert! said:
Not so sure about all this ... retracting trans rights is not progress, and is an imprudent course of action, IMO.
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He hasn't done anything to "LGBTQ" anyway, just troons.

And even that is stuff like not letting them in the military. If just having flat feet disqualifies you, why wouldn't severe mental illness and a condition requiring multiple invasive surgeries?
 
Otterly said:
I’ve asked the question ‘what rights do trans people lack that everyone else has?’ And the answer isn’t forthcoming, or if it is it’s about self ID and a desire to enter women’s spaces. But both those wants are not rights, they are removal of rights from others.
Nobody trans should be being fired or harmed simply for being trans. Mental health and genuine physical health issues should be treated like everyone else (a lot of them seem genuinely unwell...) but trans people cannot remove the rights of others either. Once you start trampling on the rights of others, you’re on a timer until people have had enough.
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If trans people just wanted to change discrimination laws so that they were protected in regards to employment and housing then I'd actually be okay with that.

Unfortunately, they want much more than that. Equal access to health care? I wouldn't be surprised if Planned Parenthood started doing HRT within this decade. How would that affect women for whom PP is their only OB/GYN provider? Do they care? No, of course not.

PP already has major image problems. In the emergency department you'd often have women coming in for a pregnancy test. Why? Well, they need medical documentation of their pregnancy in order to qualify for government benefits. I just told them that they could go to Planned Parenthood for this and they were always like "no I don't want an abortion."

Okay. I'm fairly sure they do other things there too.

So now PP is already synonymous with abortions and likely going to be synonymous with LGBTQIA+ health care in this decade. Who loses out? Low-SES women who can't navigate our Byzantine health care system. For all of their supposed love of leftist ideology, trans rights activists are doing an amazing job of fucking over poor people and women to fulfill their own needs.
 
One of the many things that scare me about this movement is how trans parents raise their children.
I posted a reddit message on the tranny's zoo thread that was about a "mum" being validated by their toddler touching his moobs. I want to seriously believe that they are the minority, but the more I research I find that is not true.
Trans "mums" put their identity first instead of their kiddie's needs. Thats why you see a lot of middle aged AGP men spending the child's college money on titty skittles, skanky clothes and butcheries. Maternal instict my arse. And that's without including indoctrinating their children with gender fuckery and the pedo undertones.

Not only this happens with delusional dads, but pencil mustached pregnant "men". Poisoning the baby on their wombs with dangerous hormones and breastfeeding them with toxic milk. The worst thing is that we don't know yet what's gonna happen to the child after being poisoned with synthetic hormones in the womb and with t-milk.

Now, imagine if an economic crisis comes on one of this households. Are they going to choose the hormones or feeding their kids? We already know the answer sadly.

And now for something completely different, a lot of kiwis wondered why LGB people don't try to expel these freaks out of our groups. As another user said, our movement is beyond fucked, and I want to add that we are trying already. LGB alliancr exists, but they are marked as a hate group by the TQ+ and misguided LGBs. For every group we create, they screech and fuck it over. That's why I think that not only we need to withdrawl donations to LGBTQWERTY groups but stop going to these spaces that accept this fuckery, like pride parades for example. I know that we funded them and all of that, but it's been years that they aren't ours. No longer can we express our same sex attraction without being shouted how we are genital fetishists (umm, you can have a horse dick shitting nipples diaper fetish and being included in the alphabet soup but you can't suck a cock or munch a carpet...)
Maybe I'm a little optimistic, but despite the madness that is happening right now, I see that maybe in a couple of years, normies dykes, fags and bis will wake up and proclaim themselves free from these delusions. It will take time of course, but the tide is already turning.
 
jorgoth said:
I say bring it. I CCW, I'd love to "stand my ground" against a degenerate faggot.
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I did not mention borderline terrorist threats, nor did I make them.

Please be rational and stay within the boundaries of the law, if you wish to address me.

AnOminous said:
Troons don't believe you need gender dysphoria any more to be trans, it's just something y0ou wake up and decide to be. Ignore the fact that they're all incredibly unhappy which is literally dysphoria.

He hasn't done anything to "LGBTQ" anyway, just troons.

And even that is stuff like not letting them in the military. If just having flat feet disqualifies you, why wouldn't severe mental illness and a condition requiring multiple invasive surgeries?
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I am aware of the complexities of the issues. I am just not so sure about pulling back the rights. I think it is best to let things stand and allow some of this to take its natural course. And refine things as they go along, such as narrowing the diagnostic criteria, etc. Making life harder for these people also stifles research.

Otterly said:
they should have the same rights and curbs on rights as anyone else. So it should be no more legal to .
I’ve asked the question ‘what rights do trans people lack that everyone else has?’ And the answer isn’t forthcoming [...]
Nobody trans should be being fired or harmed simply for being trans. Mental health and genuine physical health issues should be treated like everyone else [...] Once you start trampling on the rights of others, you’re on a timer until people have had enough.
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And I agree with you 100 percent. But I noticed that the rights that Trump wants to strip away, have little or nothing to do, with your well-stated summary of OUR issues with the Trans lobbies, and the priveliges they are pushing for.
 
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Non-Expert! said:
I did not mention borderline terrorist threats, nor did I make them.

Please be rational and stay within the boundaries of the law, if you wish to address me.
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You mentioned that there'd be incarceration costs, IOW pay for my sex change operations or we'll start committing crimes. And to that I say bring it.

And I am staying within the bounds of the law, self-defense is legal. In fact if I shoot to maim in self defense I'm more likely to get charged with something than if I shoot to kill.
 
jorgoth said:
You mentioned that there'd be incarceration costs, IOW pay for my sex change operations or we'll start committing crimes. And to that I say bring it.

And I am staying within the bounds of the law, self-defense is legal.
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Nobody has said that M2Fs have given an ultimatum: carve me a vagina on the tax payer dollar, or I will commit crimes.

It is more like it is an unintended result. When people are allowed to be fired or kicked out of their housing for being different, out of necessity they might resort to committing crimes that they otherwise wouldn't commit.

By the way, marginalized men do more than just kill themselves.

Does a dude need to be wearing a skirt, in order for you to "stand your ground," anyway? What are we even talking about?
 
Kalishnakov said:
Pimozide seems to be effective to some degree.
The successful treatment of a gender dysphoric patient with pimozide.

Black Pigeon on Normalizing Mental Illness

Looks like Youtube pulled that video.

Transgender is mental illness. Normalizing this idiocy is nothing but pure stupidity.
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This was posted in the "tranny sideshows in social media" thread a year or so ago. It's fascinating because pimozide (Orap), an old drug, is well known as an antipsychotic with unique efficacy in treating somatic delusions (delusions about your body, hmmm, classically, e.g. the classic idea in psychotic depression that your insides are rotting.) Nobody knows why Orap is uniquely good at this but it has been known to be for decades. It's a commonplace bit of knowledge in psychiatry and probably one of the reasons they still make the stuff, although these days it's not so popular. The takeaway of this is obvious. Delusions about your body. Hmmmmmmmmm.
 
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Spooky Bones said:
This was posted in the "tranny sideshows in social media" thread a year or so ago. It's fascinating because pimozide (Orap), an old drug, is well known as an antipsychotic with unique efficacy in treating somatic delusions (delusions about your body, hmmm, classically, e.g. the classic idea in psychotic depression that your insides are rotting.) Nobody knows why Orap is uniquely good at this but it has been known to be for decades. It's a commonplace bit of knowledge in psychiatry and probably one of the reasons they still make the stuff, although these days it's not so popular. The takeaway of this is obvious. Delusions about your body. Hmmmmmmmmm.
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also clomipramine

Pimozide and clomipramine are hardcore drugs though. Nobody really likes prescribing them. Even though, y'know, they could end AGP ideation.
 
eternal dog mongler said:
also clomipramine

Pimozide and clomipramine are hardcore drugs though. Nobody really likes prescribing them. Even though, y'know, they could end AGP ideation.
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People are too afraid to prescribe the oldies and goodies IMO. Sometimes nothing but Thorazine will do, for instance, in agitation in people with developmental issues it's way better than the OLZ some people are inclined to use today. Same with tricyclics in refractory depression and a million other things. Sometimes this shit is given sadly little exposure even to residents. It's a shame. I once had a very psychotic little old lady who had been on a certain rather obscure med for around thirty years. They stopped making it, a year in the system and 30+ rounds of ECT for her. There are too many such cases and even more infuriating are those where some doctor just feels the need to muddy the waters with a new drug where an old one will do in someone for whom its proven to work. Expensive too to top it off.
 
jorgoth said:
Terfs would say that they identify as "lesbian" so they can guilt women into fucking them, same reason they want to go to women's restrooms, they think it'll make it easier for them to get laid. "YOU'RE TRANSPHOBIC SUCK THE GIRLPENIS BIGOT"
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I'm still trying to figure out why it is socially acceptable to guilt people into sex now.

When I was a teenager, it was the big anti-gay argument that "if we legalize the gays then people will expect us to have sex with them." We are ACTUALLY there now with transgenders where if you turn down sex with someone because they are trans than YOU are a bigot. Only the people at the top of the oppression hierarchy are allowed their own preference; lesbians and cismen need to get in line or be outcasts.

If I walked into a lesbian bar and demanded someone have sex with me or they're bigots; I would rightfully be called out on it. With transgender women you are brave for being the victim of someone's oppression.
 
Salubrious said:
I'm still trying to figure out why it is socially acceptable to guilt people into sex now.

When I was a teenager, it was the big anti-gay argument that "if we legalize the gays then people will expect us to have sex with them." We are ACTUALLY there now with transgenders where if you turn down sex with someone because they are trans than YOU are a bigot. Only the people at the top of the oppression hierarchy are allowed their own preference; lesbians and cismen need to get in line or be outcasts.

If I walked into a lesbian bar and demanded someone have sex with me or they're bigots; I would rightfully be called out on it. With transgender women you are brave for being the victim of someone's oppression.
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What I don't understand about social coercion of lesbians to have sex with troons is this: can't the lesbian in question just not be interested in the troon in question? Do they, without even mentioning the fact that they're a troon, get this "bigot" label just because they won't sleep with them? Because that's the sense I'm getting from reading about this on social media. I've never observed it IRL but a lot of people who's posts I read who spend a lot of time in "queer spaces" where there are a lot of young woke people like college LGBTQFML clubs or whatever seem to imply that this is the case. I can't even understand it. Woke young people probably won't say "I don't want to date you because you have a dick" and yet they still incur implications of bigotry just for not wanting to fuck some specific (and probably disgusting) individual. The level to which people's minds have been poisoned by this shit is disturbing and must be infuriating to deal with.
 
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