General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[eternal dog mongler]

The monetization of medicine was a mistake. If it wasn't, we wouldn't have people destroying their bodies. Doctors should get basic income so they're not motivated by greed and we need to find a real way to treat transgenderism.

I've seen the prices quoted by troons undergoing SRS. The surgeons in the US are barely making any money off of it.

That should scare you.

 

[AnOminous]

You're correct in every way. I wish I could band together with my fellow gays, but our culture has been completely subverted from the inside. None of us can band together because for every few of us that wants to oust the T, there's someone who will report you to your employer, or your professor, or to establishment owners. Theres no way to win. The only winning moves had to be made years ago. We're already in "check", it just takes one more move for the trannies to put us in "checkmate".

Just withdraw support from all the alphabet organizations. Let them run them all themselves. They only exist for the benefit of troons at this point anyway.

 

[ApatheticViewer]

The chances of you running into a trans person in the bathroom are not as high as you'd think. They are fairly rare and the odds of you ending up in the same place as one in the same moment is a long shot. I've only seen one in a bathroom once and it was over Christmas shopping and there was a lot of women in the bathroom at the time, all this person was doing was fixing their makeup in the bathroom mirror and then left. If there's lots of people around the threat grows even more unlikely.

I've found the solution. Eliminate gender specific bathrooms and just make stalls with doors that come down to the ground and with no gaps.

Everyone with that?

 

[Urist Steelthrone]

For people who don't read A&H, I found an interesting comment from this thread:

It should be up to the parents. Making it a felony only increases the power of the nanny state.

Consider this: If South Dakota can do this then California can pass a law legislating the opposite.

Context: South Dakota made it a felony to give puberty blockers to the underage.

What do you think?

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

I've found the solution. Eliminate gender specific bathrooms and just make stalls with doors that come down to the ground and with no gaps.

Everyone with that?

As that would cut away all urinals, take more space and be more expensive to build, clean and maintain, so not really. Mainly because this would result in longer lines.

 

[AnOminous]

For people who don't read A&H, I found an interesting comment from this thread:

Context: South Dakota made it a felony to give puberty blockers to the underage.

What do you think?

Here's the actual language:

26-10-37. Perception of minor's sex--Prohibited practices--Violation as a felony.

Except as provided in § 26-10-38, a medical professional who engages in any of the following practices upon a minor, including an emancipated minor, for the purpose of attempting to change or affirm the minor's perception of the minor's sex, if that perception is inconsistent with the minor's sex, is guilty of a Class 4 felony:

(1) Performing the following surgeries: castration, vasectomy, hysterectomy, oophorectomy, metoidioplasty, orchiectomy, penectomy, phalloplasty, and vaginoplasty;

(2) Performing a mastectomy;

(3) Prescribing, dispensing, administering, or otherwise supplying the following medications:

(a) Puberty-blocking medication to stop normal puberty;

(b) Supraphysiologic doses of testosterone to females; or

(c) Supraphysiologic doses of estrogen to males; or

(4) Removing any otherwise healthy or nondiseased body part or tissue.

It seems to prohibit these practices only for the purposes of trooning someone out, so it isn't blocking any legitimate medical practices.

 

[Urist Steelthrone]

It seems to prohibit these practices only for the purposes of trooning someone out, so it isn't blocking any legitimate medical practices.

Puberty blockers are highly questionable even without the context of SRS. It prevents your body from maturing, giving you a higher chance of osteoporosis and their might be other shitty effects hidden because scientists are prevented from investigating by woketards.

 

[AnOminous]

Puberty blockers are highly questionable even without the context of SRS. It prevents your body from maturing, giving you a higher chance of osteoporosis and their might be other shitty effects hidden because scientists are prevented from investigating by woketards.

They're sometimes used for cancer, though, so you're looking at straight up dying without them in that case.

 

[Urist Steelthrone]

They're sometimes used for cancer, though, so you're looking at straight up dying without them in that case.

They should use these drugs for actually curing people instead of being greedy like what you said here. The reason why they are using these drugs on trans people is for money and/or eugenics.

 

[Jack O'Lantern]

A truly devious mind would ponder this: what if transgender mtfs are agents of the patriarchy? Their intent being to insert themselves, ever so gradually and with raucous applause from "woke" social networks, into women's spaces, until women have no other options than to return to the pre-liberation era? Transgenders increasingly flooding women's sports, women's careers, until the percentages place them with majority rule? They're "real" women, after all. Without a viable career, or a viable sport, "cis" women would have no choice but to reclaim the spaces they occupied in the 50s: staying at home, cooking, cleaning, and making children.

But that's silly. Surely.

It's not silly.

MRAs and other misogynistic fales have discussed, on their forums and blogs etc., about posing as troons in order to dismantle womens' rights. I have, at times, wondered if that's the reason the police and governments are giving preferential treatment to troons when it's fairly obvious that most of them are mentally ill perverts in bad drag. However, I truthfully think the (targeted) depopulation programme is at the root of troonism and that's why it's being pushed as the next "civil rights" frontier. Troons are predominantly White.

 

[Terrorist]

You're correct in every way. I wish I could band together with my fellow gays, but our culture has been completely subverted from the inside. None of us can band together because for every few of us that wants to oust the T, there's someone who will report you to your employer, or your professor, or to establishment owners. Theres no way to win. The only winning moves had to be made years ago. We're already in "check", it just takes one more move for the trannies to put us in "checkmate".

Is it really a subversion when literally almost all of the gay community has backed and is backing the trans movement, aside from a few token BASED FAGGOT grifters? They did since there even was a gay movement. A tranny started the Stonewall riots iirc. It's just only now the overton window has moved to where they can do it openly.

The reality is you fuckers were about this stuff since the beginning.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Is it really a subversion when literally almost all of the gay community has backed and is backing the trans movement, aside from a few token BASED FAGGOT grifters? They did since there even was a gay movement. A tranny started the Stonewall riots iirc. It's just only now the overton window has moved to where they can do it openly.

The reality is you fuckers were about this stuff since the beginning.

The LGB community didn't really back the trans movement all that much until the 2010's, they just sort of accepted them at best or begrudgingly tolerated them at worst. The trans community didn't even really exist all that much until the post-Stonewall years, and despite what woke troons will tell you, the Stonewall riots were not started by a tranny, but a drag queen who pretty much identified as male, but had a female stage name for when he would perform in bars.

The reason why the trannies attached themselves to the LGB community was because they needed strength and protection in numbers, and since gender dysphoria is a rare mental illness, there weren't that many trannies in the pre-Tumblr era. Since a lot of the laws that criminalized homosexuality were also used against trannies, the gays accepted them into the movement since they had a common goal in repealing those laws, and the trannies had "won" their part of the fight when homosexuality was either legalized or decriminalized in the majority of states after the DSM-III removed homosexuality and bisexuality from the lists of mental illnesses.

Since there were so few trannies pre-2008, the LGB allowed the T to hang around since they were few in number and a lot more quiet back then. Ever notice that the troon shit got really big after same sex marriage was federally legalized? It ain't because we abandoned traditionalist morality (and adopted a different moral dogma that was equally despotic and antithetical to human nature)

It's because the activist industrial complex wants to keep making money and the LGB won their last major battle in 2015. Marriage equality was the last big battle, like the LGB equivalent of Berlin or the Siege of Petersburg. The majority of gays and bisexuals that didn't troon out have quietly gone ghost from the LGBT community and are living their lives in peace, as are most normie lesbians. The lesbians have the issue of having to deal with an internal struggle between all the SJW radfems and the TERF's while the more apolitical or moderate lesbians are taking a page from the gays and bisexuals and stepping away while they try to live their own lives in the hopes of it all blowing over, and that's entirely because of the trannies taking over everything in the LGBT community.

Thanks to the trannies being utterly unhinged and left unchecked along with "non-profit" activist groups using them to keep the money coming in, a lot of ordinary LGB people are going to be hurt.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

I think it’s worse than that. They’re actively setting gay rights back. I’m seeing more and more kickback against the general LGB because they are being lumped in with the T. And also not cleaning house for stuff like pup play at pride aimed at kids.
The best thing the LGB could do is to distance themselves from all of the gender madness, set their position firmly as ‘we have our rights and are now living dull suburban lives just like everyone else’ and jettison the T, the drag queen kid parents, and the arse-out pride ‘family days’ into the sun. We are seeing the T used as propaganda in countries where gay rights don’t exist to further crack down on the LGB. The backlash is going to hurt a lot of people who don’t deserve to be hurt.

That's true. And the whole idea of LGBTQ2A' as a ''community'' is incorrect. Most even don't get a long. Transgenders are out on the fringe and the Asexuals for example see themselves as total black sheeps. It's no community. It's more of an unrelated spectrum of sexualities and identities.

Trans people are having their ''media darling'' moment right now and taking advantage of it. They are building resentment from both the heterosexual cisgender public and homosexuals and Lesbians alike.

 

[queerape]

They're sometimes used for cancer, though, so you're looking at straight up dying without them in that case.

Puberty blocks are already used in kids undergoing very early puberty so they can hold puberty off until their peers catch up.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

It seems to prohibit these practices only for the purposes of trooning someone out, so it isn't blocking any legitimate medical practices.

Yeah, but the problem is our duty to refer. Your license can be sanctioned if you don't refer out patients you don't want to treat or if you think the treatment is immoral.

So I'm gonna refer you this little ticking time bomb where you'll catch a felony trying to treat them. Literally in accordance with AAP standards so there's not a whole lot of room to maneuver. Then you're wedged in this rock between the state medical board and the legislature.

I don't support transitioning kids but I don't support this bill either.

 

[Non-Expert!]

I think that it is a misperception that gays and lesbians have anything to do with trannies except for being people who are not heterosexual in the normative sense of the word. They banded together to gain the basic civil rights enjoyed by heterosexual couples, such as domestic partnership and marriage. They also attached themselves to other minorities, upping the ante, from assault and battery, to a hate crime, if queer bashing was the motive.

As far as transgender goes, the majority of people are rather ignorant of these issues, for the simple reason that it is not particularly polite conversation. They don't realize that gays are NOT "secretly women" and lesbians are not "secretly men" but are generally happy being gay men or lesbian women. Truth is, a lot of gays and lesbians are horrified by all of this, but their voices barely rise clearly above the din.

So some folks might think that they are being progressive and accepting, when really they are enabling perverts and fetishists. And some think that gays and lesbians are kinksters and that is their main issue and trannies are also kinksters, so fine whatever kinksters are gonna kink and now they have the right to do so and we just need to obey the law.

They also generally don't "get" that heterosexual males are transitioning. They think that they were all a bunch of queers to begin with. But being generally decent people they stay out of it. So the whole movement has become like a snake biting its own tail.

 

[AnOminous]

Yeah, but the problem is our duty to refer. Your license can be sanctioned if you don't refer out patients you don't want to treat or if you think the treatment is immoral.

This is why I'm generally suspicious of legislators making specific medical judgments where there's even a chance of some legitimate medical purpose being thwarted. Legislators don't understand medicine and are often stupid as fuck on top of that. This is the same issue with legislating guns, when legislators don't understand those either.

You always end up with a situation where a medical professional might end up copping a felony for literally doing his job, no matter how carefully they think they worded the law. If a general practice doctor doesn't think he can do his job without breaking the law, he's just going to leave the state or stop being a doctor at all. And any general practice doctor could conceivably run into some freak situation where conventional medical wisdom says you use this or that drug, and some creative prosecutor could decide it's for the purpose of trooning.

 

[Non-Expert!]

Yeah, but the problem is our duty to refer. Your license can be sanctioned if you don't refer out patients you don't want to treat or if you think the treatment is immoral.

So I'm gonna refer you this little ticking time bomb where you'll catch a felony trying to treat them. Literally in accordance with AAP standards so there's not a whole lot of room to maneuver. Then you're wedged in this rock between the state medical board and the legislature.

I don't support transitioning kids but I don't support this bill either.

So basically legislators are thinking that doctors will act like administrators, and refer patients to empty rooms, or agencies that they know are impossibly crowded and understaffed, right?

Do you have to refer your patient to a genuine chopper? Or can you do what government administrators do, and refer them to somebody who meets the technical qualifications, (could prescribe puberty blockers, operate, etc.) but you know won't.

Aren't they simply making it illegal for anybody to treat them?

Can you refer them out of state?

I kind of get what you are saying, "let doctors be doctors, mind your own business"... more or less?

Pro-Life legislators try to force doctor's hands in states like Texas, not sure what they do about it there.

 

[Piss Bear]

You're correct in every way. I wish I could band together with my fellow gays, but our culture has been completely subverted from the inside. None of us can band together because for every few of us that wants to oust the T, there's someone who will report you to your employer, or your professor, or to establishment owners. Theres no way to win. The only winning moves had to be made years ago. We're already in "check", it just takes one more move for the trannies to put us in "checkmate".

I don’t think so. Trannies have their own eventual “checkmate” looming over their heads in their near future when all the years of taking HRT finally takes its toll and people start developing diseases and serious side effects. They may have the social high ground right now (they don’t.*) but nothing can stop that from happening.

*They are rampant and fight like pack animals all over the internet yes, and they are an extreme vocal minority but in real life? They are the outcasts. They always have been. They are IRL losers and overly sensitive. A lot of people don’t have a filter and won’t put up with sensitive troon feelings. Thus why most of them don’t have jobs and spend all their time circlejerking themselves all over the internet. They assert their authority all over the internet because that’s the only place they feel superior.

I do agree the LGBT community is in shambles at the moment with troons all over trying to hijack every single community. I hope there comes a day where enough is enough and people start standing up against them.

 

[Quantum Diabetes]

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It lives with Lindsywood, a former Twitch camgirl and now Fortshite streamer and Canklequeen.