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TheSaintEaon said:
They can't just say "We're against Child Grooming" they gotta come out and make it a big deal that they're gay while doing it.
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How autistic are you? Can't you grasp that someone might be a faggot and might not molest children and might be tired of it being assumed they molest children because they're a faggot and want to distance themselves, specifically, from the child molesters who have appropriated their identity?
 
thegooddoctor said:
I don’t think it’s possible, the trans community has burrowed too deep into the LGB community, they have a huge amount of clout and are catered to from every possible angle, how would they go about doing this without being labelled shit flingers or ‘bigots’ and losing huge amounts of respect for rejecting sexual immorality.
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In the US, you're probably right. There's very few gender critical or even just troon critical gays in the US.

They're not entirely unheard of though, like Buck Angel, Blaire White and Fred Sargeant. And yeah, people screech at them calling them bigots.

I think troon critical gays are more common / accepted in the UK.
Absurdist Laughter said:
What's funny to me is the T in LGBT, never stood for transgender to begin with. It was specifically transexual, folks who like to do the horizontal monster mash bash dressed as the opposite sex; it didn't necessarily mean they wanted to be the opposite sex full time.
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I think you're thinking of transvestites.

Transvestism is just cross dressing, usually with sexual overtones.

The T did used to stand for transsexuals, which are basically like transgender, except they believed that you must undergo the chop to qualify as one.

It wasn't a great solution. Transsexuals are still dudes. And even castration doesn't 100% eliminate the risks females are exposed to from dudes. Still, it's more respectable that old school transsexuals maintained some standards for who could call themselves a "transwoman". They also generally tried to fit into society and didn't go walking around dressed like 19 year old strippers.

I bet if you required dudes nowadays to get the chop before they would be considered "legally women" (which is a nonsense concept), it'd cut down on a whole lot of this fuckery. Maybe not entirely, but probably a good 70-80% of it.
 
Marvin said:
I think you're thinking of transvestites.

Transvestism is just cross dressing, usually with sexual overtones.

The T did used to stand for transsexuals, which are basically like transgender, except they believed that you must undergo the chop to qualify as one.

It wasn't a great solution. Transsexuals are still dudes. And even castration doesn't 100% eliminate the risks females are exposed to from dudes. Still, it's more respectable that old school transsexuals maintained some standards for who could call themselves a "transwoman". They also generally tried to fit into society and didn't go walking around dressed like 19 year old strippers.

I bet if you required dudes nowadays to get the chop before they would be considered "legally women" (which is a nonsense concept), it'd cut down on a whole lot of this fuckery. Maybe not entirely, but probably a good 70-80% of it.
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You're absolutely correct. Doesn't Japan have similar requirements to transition genders? They won't let you change genders without doing some surgical alterations? Either way, I think I would be more on board with calling a transwoman a woman if they took the chop. It would solve one problem that has been popping up, ie, diddling children and sexually assaulting women/indecent exposure. It might also have the added benefit of cutting back some of the bush of gender identities that seem to be created faster than the global population produces people.
 
Absurdist Laughter said:
Either way, I think I would be more on board with calling a transwoman a woman if they took the chop.
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I think doing so is a mistake because it encourages people to pursue those surgeries. An orchiotomy or hysterectomy, sure - they're probably going to be necessary because of the hormones. But vaginoplasty/phalloplasty is the stuff of nightmares.
 
Absurdist Laughter said:
You're absolutely correct. Doesn't Japan have similar requirements to transition genders? They won't let you change genders without doing some surgical alterations? Either way, I think I would be more on board with calling a transwoman a woman if they took the chop. It would solve one problem that has been popping up, ie, diddling children and sexually assaulting women/indecent exposure. It might also have the added benefit of cutting back some of the bush of gender identities that seem to be created faster than the global population produces people.
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Yes.

Trans People Required to Be Sterilized Before Changing Gender After Court Upholds Controversial Law in Japan​

According to Human Rights Watch, which has called the law "abusive" and "discriminatory," to qualify for a gender change on official documents in Japan, applicants must not only be sterilized but must also be single, have no children under the age of 20 and must undergo a psychiatric evaluation to be diagnosed with Gender Identity Disorder.
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AnOminous said:
This used to be nearly the universal position of LGB activists (not including T). Even with more than a bit of questionable behavior in the community, activists understood that marching with fucking NAMBLA was going to get you nowhere.
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Yeah it's pretty fucked up that a couple of decades ago the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) actually did weasel their way into some form of legitimate activism via the gays in the UK.

You'd think after such a disaster they'd all be more diligent about distancing themselves from the trans bullshit, but plenty of gays are still happy to facilitate the troons while throwing the lesbians (who were often the ones looking after the AIDS-riddled gays in the 80s when no one else would) under the bus.

They fucked up by facilitating this bullshit way back in the 70s and they haven't done nearly enough to stamp it out. They should be overcorrecting but too many of them are fine with the troons. Weird, really, when you consider that the whole transing kids thing is usually about transing the gay away.
 
frap said:
You'd think after such a disaster they'd all be more diligent about distancing themselves from the trans bullshit, but plenty of gays are still happy to facilitate the troons while throwing the lesbians (who were often the ones looking after the AIDS-riddled gays in the 80s when no one else would) under the bus.
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It gets even more blatant with shit like the "drag queen story hours" where even after multiple scandals involving convicted, registered sex offenders, where a simple Google search would have turned up that the "drag queen" (usually actually just a troon) was a criminal pervert, they don't even bother to do cursory background checks before sending out perverts in demon garb to molest children.

The fact is that pedophilia isn't a bug to troons, it's a feature. They do it because they want to. They have zero interest in not molesting children and are increasingly arrogant about openly flaunting their attraction to children.

It literally shocks them when they do something like appoint an open pedophile to the board of some "children's charity" and people dare to question it.
 
Super-Chevy454 said:
Not surprising to see a democrap,... I mean a democrat from Virginia who support the trans kid by an extreme way.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=d1z6sdxqn08
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Remember the Satanic Ritual Abuse panic in the 80s? It too was promulgated by psychiatrists and journalists looking to gain some quick status while armed with questionable methods and a complete lack of evidence. Their rallying cry was "Believe The Children". Even when their arguments made no sense or were physically impossible, Believe The Children. Even when thy had to be coerced or manipulated into giving the correct answers for the witch hunt, Believe The Children.

This game was never about solving the problem of Satanic child abuse, otherwise they would have quickly lost because they would have realized that Satanic child abuse wasn't real. This game was a virtue game. They weave a story about how their striving is motivated by the solving of some immediate moral dilemma. The people making the allegations were high-status figures who spoke at conferences and wrote for newspapers and authored academic papers and were interviewed by Oprah. Everyone knew child abuse was the most urgent moral crisis facing America, and that all those poor suffering children had, for so long, been ignored. Who could be against Believing The Children? Who could be against fighting abuse?
 
No need how big the "RReeee" will be once they read that article about transgenderism.
www.americanthinker.com

Transgenderism, the left’s offensive against Western Civilization

Who among us could have guessed a few years back that today gender ideology would be the clearest, most divisive matter of contention separating the American left from the right? To those reasonably grounded in reality, the notion that gen...
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October 16, 2022

Transgenderism, the left’s offensive against Western Civilization​

By Patricia McCarthy


Who among us could have guessed a few years back that today gender ideology would be the clearest, most divisive matter of contention separating the American left from the right? To those reasonably grounded in reality, the notion that gender is fluid, that a Supreme Court Justice would be unable to define the word “woman,” that men can give birth, and that children can and should be mutilated if they are confused about their own gender identity is not only sheer lunacy, it is barbaric.
But the left’s commitment to those ideas is total; it’s the hill on which they are willing to die. Those who disagree with them are vilified as transphobic, haters or terrorists. Trans activists may well be the least tolerant “community” in the country.
Recently, a young trans girl/boy posted a video of what five years of testosterone have done to her; she regrets her transition. The comments posted below her video are vicious. There are probably hundreds of similar regret videos but there are many more videos that promote gender transitions, even for the very young. Planned Parenthood promotes cross sex transition and has become a giant of the industry.

Matt Walsh, who made the film that asks “What is a Woman,” began taking the film to college campuses this past week, and shockingly, is filling auditoriums. But the events draw angry protesters, some of them Antifa, who scream and chant their profanities in their attempt to disrupt the screenings. They have not been successful.

The film is a must-see; the damage done to young people by the doctors and psychologists who see themselves as advocates for those suffering from gender dysphoria, a mental condition, is catastrophic and irreversible. People who submit to the “top surgeries” (breast removal) or bottom surgeries (genital reconstruction) become patients for life. They will live with pain the rest of their lives.

In the meantime, leftists are busy stocking school libraries and classroom bookshelves with all manner of pornography, especially promoting homosexuality and normalizing transgenderism. As parents across the country have become aware of this subterfuge, they are fighting back, showing up at school board meetings to complain. According to AG Garland, these parents are to be designated as “domestic terrorists.” If reported, he will sick the FBI on them.
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AnOminous said:
It gets even more blatant with shit like the "drag queen story hours" where even after multiple scandals involving convicted, registered sex offenders, where a simple Google search would have turned up that the "drag queen" (usually actually just a troon) was a criminal pervert, they don't even bother to do cursory background checks before sending out perverts in demon garb to molest children.

The fact is that pedophilia isn't a bug to troons, it's a feature. They do it because they want to. They have zero interest in not molesting children and are increasingly arrogant about openly flaunting their attraction to children.

It literally shocks them when they do something like appoint an open pedophile to the board of some "children's charity" and people dare to question it.
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See it's not a simple as that. Drag Queen story Hour was started by a 'queer' cis woman who seemed to get the impression that drag was part of gay 'culture'. And even in it's proper setting, which would be adult places at the absolute least, drag queens dress up properly as fruit salad women. They're rarely meant to be seen in broad daylight, let alone in fetish gear or in educational spaces.

And unfortunately, the primary reason it's very hard to seperate the LGB from the T is it would be very easy to characterise us as hypocrites. Pedophilia generalisations have followed gays over the years, continue to do so and unfortunately it's not entirely unjustified - but defensiveness over that issue is co-opted by trans defenders to dismiss increasingly brazen predatory behaviour as right-wing fear-mongering and concern trolling. The irony is its characterised as homophobia. But then Gays Against Groomers comes along to make the distinction about gender transitioning and then they get banned for transphobia., because they have sub-catagories of oppression. Within LGBTWTF spaces that should have long become redundant, it is permissible to be a homophobic transwoman but unacceptable to be a gender-critical homosexual. It's almost clever.

The only way it would work is if gays, lesbians and bisexuals just renounced the movement completely. Disavow the hideous flag and the stupid acronym that only a handful of people actually care about and let's see how long this gender crap stands up on its own.
 
A major reason you can't separate the T from the LGB is homosexuals made public fetish display part of the goal at some point. If we're not going to tell leather daddies dancing around with their pup pals at Pride march to take it inside, why can't the cross-dressers come out to play, too?

The other thing is that gays successfully politicized medicine back in the 1980s or 1990s. There's the rather infamous changes to the DSM, but another one I am oddly familiar with is the change to proctology. Used to be that when a homosexual went to a proctologist with a raft of problems in the lower digestive tract, the doc would tell you, "It's because you have a lot of anal sex, and the anus isn't a sex organ. You need to stop that for your health." Same with rampant spread of HIV. But then came the push for "gay men's health," which meant that state medical boards and universities started coming down on doctors who told you the simple truth about what that does to your body, and now they have to pretend that the problem isn't your sexual activities; it's insufficient effort on the part of the medical industry.

Both the troons and the HAES movement have leveraged this same tactic. They use the same networks of lobbyists and power structures to get medical definitions and techniques changed based on political-moral interests rather than science. The gays led the way here. It was your team that did this.
 
Trawling through my LinkedIn before I have to go into work and I see.....this.
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I've heard of the five-o-clock shadow troon before, but I've never seen one so....blatant like this before. Worst part?
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This guy is in charge of recruiting for cloud engineers.
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Vyse Inglebard said:
Trawling through my LinkedIn before I have to go into work and I see.....this.
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I've heard of the five-o-clock shadow troon before, but I've never seen one so....blatant like this before. Worst part?
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This guy is in charge of recruiting for cloud engineers.
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The economic and political empowerment of pornsick nerds has been a disaster for the human race.
 
I wonder, is transgenderism pushed to make way for people accepting cybernetic implantation? It's obvious with the World Economic Forum and Elon Musk that the glownigger-technology-plutocracy complex wants to implant people with brain chips and much worse. It stands to reason, IMO, that if you can convince somebody to chop off their dick or tits, you can convince them to put a chip in their brain, and that creating public acceptance for trannies is almost a prerequisite to getting large numbers of people to wire up their heads.
 
I don't know if that article might fit this thread but I got to agree with Breitbart on this one.
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Pharma Co. Creates Feminizing Drugs, Sponsors Pro-Trans Film for Children

A pro-trans film for children called “Mama has a Mustache” was sponsored by Bayer, a pharmaceutical company that produces feminizing drugs.
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A pro-transgender propaganda film for children called Mama has a Mustache was sponsored by Bayer, a pharmaceutical company that produces drugs that are used to feminize men who identify as transgender.
Mama has a Mustache is all about normalizing transgenderism, particularly in the minds of one group of people: young children.
The film’s website bears the phrase “Kids talk gender,” directly above the trailer, which starts with a child being asked “Can you be a girl and have a boy body, or be a boy and have a girl body?” A young child answers “yes, that’s transgender.”
“I feel like I’m not really a boy or a girl,” one child says in the trailer.
The synopsis of Mama has a Mustache leaves no room for doubt about the film’s intentions to mold the minds of young children. The film is “driven completely by audio interviews of kids ages 5-10” and explores “how children are able to experience a world outside of the traditional gender binary.”
“How do kids, many of whom embrace this gender nonbinary, perceive their own and their parents’ gender? What are the ways in which children of nonbinary people are freed up to express themselves in a whole new range of forms?” the director, Sally Rubin, a tenured professor at Chapman University, asks in a statement.
“Parents, teachers, and kids are now in a place where they are ready to begin talking about these issues, ready to bring these conversations into the home, and into the classroom,” Rubin notes.
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The trailer of that movie in question. They are on their way to outdone Cuties.
 
Stochastic Terrorist said:
Correct, the typical "woman detected, opinion ignored" misogyny is not even close to the "death and misery on all cis women" misogyny of trannies.
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What's funny is that male trannies still do the 'woman detected, opinion ignored' thing, because they know they are different than real women and they can differentiate themselves from women when they decide it appeals to them.

FtMs also do that, but I think it's more because they don't wanna get sucked into the crab-bucket of women who convince themselves that they're happy with a mediocre life and/or a shitty spouse who treats them like shit. I think they just end up convincing themselves that this applies to 'all women who don't transition', rather than only some individuals. Then they often end up falling into their own unique tranny crab-buckets. Irony, and all that.

Oilspill Battery said:
Something I've been thinking about in regards to detransitioners, you have women coming out going "I lost my hair, my voice, my chest, my fertility, my health, my ability to have sex, and my face, I'm ruined." and you have hugboxes going "Oh no grill you aren't ruined you're perfect just the way you are <333."

While (some) of these people are probably in need of serious therapy, is it really productive, both for them and for future victims to basically lie to their faces about reality (yet another time)? And its not like a white lie, its literally going "2+2=5/There are five lights".

Sending out the idea that there's nothing wrong with you regardless of how much you end up irreversibly fucking yourself seems like it only encourages people to try it out since the side effects are "no big deal".
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Yeah, I agree. One of my close friends transitioned years ago, and recently came back into my life after she quit the hormones. She's told me that it kind of pisses her off how a lot of people seem to just want to say that she's "bootiful just da way she is nowwwww, afterwards", when she really used to be so much more beautiful. I can still see the spark of who she used to be, but things are different.

I don't tell her that she's ugly or anything; but if she wants to vent about how much she regrets taking hormones, I just let her. I don't fucking lie to her.
She knows how pretty she was before. Telling her she would still be 'just as pretty' if you hadn't known her beforehand would be kind of retarded.

I can't imagine how someone would feel looking in the mirror every day and seeing a different face from the one they grew up seeing.

Pizza Time said:
I don't think it's especially helpful to coddle them, but I really don't think shaming them for the mistakes they already feel miserable about making (and often times very loudly defending) is going to make things better. Even just agreeing with them saying "I ruined my life and I'm a hideous and unlovable freak" is going to only do more harm than good. These women need support and encouragement, not reminders of how badly they fucked up.
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Sometimes someone just needs to be able to admit and tell someone else that they fucked up, and that they feel like shit about it... without someone trying to 'force a positive outlook'.

It's like, "hurr burr, you broke your legs and you'll never walk the same again... but at least you aren't totally crippled!"

Like yeah, it could be so much worse, but they still remember what it was like when it was better. Especially if it was the person's own choice, they probably feel fucking retarded. Being angry or upset is natural.
Some situations are worth being angry and sad about. Maybe someone shouldn't be encouraged to wallow in it, but some people have to be able to admit things before they can move on.
 
How do you stand up to this whole phenomenon without getting ostracized by the entire community? I mean, in a community where things like cringing when someone parrots LGBTQ stuff, or disagrees even a little with the tranny agenda, will not get you ostricized instantly?

Say, if a tranny janny is outright disgusting and vile to other people, but they take it because they're trannies, what do you do? If you stand up to them they can claim innocent and cry about being harassed by whatever higher authorities, and they will take their side no matter what.

Feels like doing anything other than saying "wow you are so brave for being a disgusting sex pervert and being vile to women" will have everyone pile up on you.
 
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