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cream pie said:
I don't really blame anyone because I don't give a shit. Trannies existing is just human degeneracy. It does not surprise me. I choose to be impressed, be mildly disgusted, or (mostly) just not give a shit. Get back to me once you have a plan to exterminate them I guess lol. If you do anything that matters in either the tech field or the art world (I am involved in both, for a long time, both professionally and recreationally) you encounter lots of trannies. You get used to it. I have faith that someday you dudes who chimp tf out will just get used to it, an hero, or go on an incel shooting spree. You can choose any of the three options, be my guest, doesn't matter to me.
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Option four is to pop the affirmation bubble and at least end the troon boom.
 
I can get behind that probably, since actual trannies worth fucking won't be affected by it. Problem is you're too much of a sperg to understand that the more you screech online and cry about it, the more the troons are gonna boom. You ain't popping shit, nigga.

Get smart, stop giving a fuck. I'm telling you. I'm trying to add years to your life and prevent stress ulcers forming in your ballsack when you're 50.
 
cream pie said:
Problem is you're too much of a sperg to understand that the more you screech online and cry about it, the more the troons are gonna boom. You ain't popping shit, nigga.
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So why did the troons put so much effort into silencing people that disagreed with them online?
 
thegooddoctor said:
This shit is really Gay.
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Sorry to pick one thing out of your previous long post but what do you mean when you say you know people who are "fully transitioning", because obviously, that can't happen.

I presume you mean they are getting every surgery, procedure and medication currently available while continuing to remain the sex they were born as?
 
The Silent Perjority said:
Sorry to pick one thing out of your previous long post but what do you mean when you say you know people who are "fully transitioning", because obviously, that can't happen.

I presume you mean they are getting every surgery, procedure and medication currently available while continuing to remain the sex they were born as?
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What I meant was that they are taking hormone supplements to eventually become a woman, they are not having surgeries because of how daunting and expensive gender reassignment's always are. But they're happy in their body as is. They want to transition maybe fully one day, but there fine as they are.

One thing i'm curious about is why do you seem to deny the concept of trans as if it’s entirely a mental illness when there are actual clear physical cases of people who look androgynous and don't physically appear male or female? these examples prove to some degree that intersex and non binary people exist in some capacity since there are humans who have both features of male and female. What gives you the right to say it doesn’t exist? Have kiwis here have access to some super secret truth that negates any validity of the entire trans movement? How can you be so arrogant to dismiss people are probably way more qualified and smarter than you?
 
thegooddoctor said:
What I meant was that they are taking hormone supplements to eventually become a woman, they are not having surgeries because of how daunting and expensive gender reassignment's always are. But they're happy in their body as is. They want to transition maybe fully one day, but there fine as they are.

One thing i'm curious about is why do you seem to deny the concept of trans as if it’s entirely a mental illness when there are actual clear physical cases of people who look androgynous and don't physically appear male or female? these examples prove to some degree that intersex and non binary people exist in some capacity since there are humans who have both features.
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Don't miss the short bus.
 
thegooddoctor said:
What I meant was that they are taking hormone supplements to eventually become a woman, they are not having surgeries because of how daunting and expensive gender reassignment's always are. But they're happy in their body as is. They want to transition maybe fully one day, but there fine as they are.

One thing i'm curious about is why do you seem to deny the concept of trans as if it’s entirely a mental illness when there are actual clear physical cases of people who look androgynous and don't physically appear male or female? these examples prove to some degree that intersex and non binary people exist in some capacity since there are humans who have both features of male and female. What gives you the right to say it doesn’t exist? Have kiwis here have access to some super secret truth that negates any validity of the entire trans movement? How can you be so arrogant to dismiss people are probably way more qualified and smarter than you?
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Androgynous people are not troons. Not every man with long hair and painted nails harbors a secret desire to wear his mother’s skin like a suit. Trans people are mentally ill—take a look at how many TiMs are autistic or how many TiFs have personality disorders. Trooning out is an extreme treatment option for symptoms of discomfort and should not be encouraged.
 
thegooddoctor said:
What I meant was that they are taking hormone supplements to eventually become a woman, they are not having surgeries because of how daunting and expensive gender reassignment's always are. But they're happy in their body as is. They want to transition maybe fully one day, but there fine as they are.
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Okay, but you realistically know that they will never be a woman, right? It doesn't matter how much estrogen/spiro/etc. a man takes, they will never be a woman. Likewise, a woman taking testosterone will never be a man. You can't actually change your sex and to suggest you can is absolute lunacy. Both MtFs and FtMs are simply mutilated versions of what they started as.

thegooddoctor said:
One thing i'm curious about is why do you seem to deny the concept of trans as if it’s entirely a mental illness when there are actual clear physical cases of people who look androgynous and don't physically appear male or female? these examples prove to some degree that intersex and non binary people exist in some capacity since there are humans who have both features of male and female. What gives you the right to say it doesn’t exist? Have kiwis here have access to some super secret truth that negates any validity of the entire trans movement? How can you be so arrogant to dismiss people are probably way more qualified and smarter than you?
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Androgyny is absolutely not related to being trans. See: Annie Lennox and Tilda Swinton. They're both women and can do the androgynous look without losing the fact that they're female. None of what you said has much of any bearing on the current trans community because the vast majority of them aren't intersex or androgynous. They can pretend they are, but they're grasping at whatever they can to justify why they want to play pretend. So many of them have mental health issues, many by their own admission.

Being trans is to live in a fantasy world. It relies so heavily on outside validation and they fall apart each time someone puts a pin in their bubble. Tell me again how sane they are.
 
thegooddoctor said:
One thing i'm curious about is why do you seem to deny the concept of trans as if it’s entirely a mental illness when there are actual clear physical cases of people who look androgynous and don't physically appear male or female? these examples prove to some degree that intersex and non binary people exist in some capacity since there are humans who have both features of male and female. What gives you the right to say it doesn’t exist? Have kiwis here have access to some super secret truth that negates any validity of the entire trans movement? How can you be so arrogant to dismiss people are probably way more qualified and smarter than you?
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If it's not a treatment for a mental health condition, why are doctors prescribing hormones to people with perfectly healthy bodies? If it's not causing severe dysphoria, why is insurance paying for 30 year old fetishists to grow tits but not hair replacement for men with dysphoria over male pattern baldness?
 
chickenTendiemerchant said:
Androgynous people are not troons. Not every man with long hair and painted nails harbors a secret desire to wear his mother’s skin like a suit. Trans people are mentally ill—take a look at how many TiMs are autistic or how many TiFs have personality disorders. Trooning out is an extreme treatment option for symptoms of discomfort and should not be encouraged.
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Perhaps but there is nothing inherently ‘wrong’ with just taking hormone replacements and wearing feminine clothing is there? I’m actually curious as to what your issue would be if we were to remove the gender reassignment options, If Trans people instead opted to simply dress like their desired sex, like all of them were just men cross dressing in drag and women dressing in more male clothing would that preferable? We would have a society filled with drag queens and it would be odd at first, but would that be preferable than having people damaging their lives apparently through operation?
 
thegooddoctor said:
One thing i'm curious about is why do you seem to deny the concept of trans as if it’s entirely a mental illness when there are actual clear physical cases of people who look androgynous and don't physically appear male or female? these examples prove to some degree that intersex and non binary people exist in some capacity since there are humans who have both features of male and female. What gives you the right to say it doesn’t exist? Have kiwis here have access to some super secret truth that negates any validity of the entire trans movement? How can you be so arrogant to dismiss people are probably way more qualified and smarter than you?
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Sex in mammals is strictly a binary feature. There are only males or females and there is no such thing as in between.

I don't want to get into this too deeply, but it's pretty dehumanizing when people bring up intersex people in these contexts. "Intersex" people (more accurately: people with DSDs) are still either male or female, just with medical issues. They're not "in between". In fact, all DSDs are sex specific. Some DSDs only males get and other only females get (or the "sex" related aspects are highly sex specific, like CAH.)

While sex is strictly binary, sex can influence various biological characteristics. But "influence" doesn't mean it's the sole influence for them. Genetics and diet and personal decisions affect these characteristics too.

Men and women are still ultimately human and humans of both sexes still share a lot of common biology, obviously. A tall woman isn't "less female" than a short woman, even if height is a sex influenced characteristic.

Like I've said before "trans" isn't just androgyny. For years and years society has been liberalizing to accept broader gender roles for men and women. It's old hat to say that society should tolerate and accept men being stereotypically feminine and women being stereotypically masculine.

Trans takes this to an unhealthy (and unscientific) level by adding on another level of literalism here. They're saying that a feminine man is literally a woman, that biological sex is unimportant and there's a goofy level of arrogance here to think we've got the technology to erase the important parts of sex.

If this was just a cultural belief, that'd be one thing. People believe in all kinds of stupid shit, like wicca or astrology or whatever. But this is wicca or astrology with the full (deceptive) support of media, the medical establishment and the federal government.

I can believe that some troons out there are sane and functional in the world. Like the ones who just call themselves non-binary but otherwise don't fuck with their body. To use my astrology analogy, it's like someone who checks their horoscope in the newspaper sometimes.

But the more risktaking troons get like with the drugs and surgeries, we're getting closer to someone who read in their horoscope that they've got a giant windfall of cash coming, so they mortgaged their house and bought a bunch of NFTs and dogecoin.
 
I only take some solace in knowing that as more research gets done, more obvious patterns emerge

www.spectrumnews.org

Largest study to date confirms overlap between autism and gender diversity

People who do not identify with the sex they were assigned at birth are three to six times as likely to be autistic as cisgender people are.
www.spectrumnews.org www.spectrumnews.org

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The low empathy skills really stood out to me. For context, empathy doesn't refer to the degree that a person cares about the feelings of others. Empathy is the ability to accurately gague what other people are thinking, feeling, and perceiving. A sociopath can have high empathy skills and use them to play on people's feelings like a harp, solely for his own benefit, as he sees them as tools and objects to manipulate. Whereas a mother can genuinely love her kids more than anything in the world, but because she's a sperg with low empathy skills, becomes unberable to be around. Because she doesn't have an accurate idea of what her kids are feeling.


And transpeople, specifically transwomen are among some of the least-empathetic people I've seen. Most aren't malicious, just oblivious to what others think and feel.
 
thegooddoctor said:
If Trans people instead opted to simply dress like their desired sex, like all of them were just men cross dressing in drag and women dressing in more male clothing would that preferable? We would have a society filled with drag queens and it would be odd at first, but would that be preferable than having people damaging their lives apparently through operation?
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Nigga that's literally just gender non conformity, AKA the abolition of gender roles AKA everything troonery inherently stands against
 
Like what was said earlier, noone would give a shit about troons save the trooning out of kids and erasing women's rights.

We're at the point where, shit may suck, people may think that troons are harming themselves and will be permanently medicated, but each to their own if they're adults and I wish them well in their shortened, miserable lives (because permanent injections, dilating, regular surgeries, weakened bones and muscles, and horrid aging are going to be miserable).

If people just wanted to wear pants and dresses, noone would care. To highlight otherwise is a strawman.

But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about trooning teens and kids, and rapists being housed with women in prison due to gender identity.
 
H3LLH4MM3R666 said:
I only take some solace in knowing that as more research gets done, more obvious patterns emerge

www.spectrumnews.org

Largest study to date confirms overlap between autism and gender diversity

People who do not identify with the sex they were assigned at birth are three to six times as likely to be autistic as cisgender people are.
www.spectrumnews.org www.spectrumnews.org

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The low empathy skills really stood out to me. For context, empathy doesn't refer to the degree that a person cares about the feelings of others. Empathy is the ability to accurately gague what other people are thinking, feeling, and perceiving. A sociopath can have high empathy skills and use them to play on people's feelings like a harp, solely for his own benefit, as he sees them as tools and objects to manipulate. Whereas a mother can genuinely love her kids more than anything in the world, but because she's a sperg with low empathy skills, becomes unberable to be around. Because she doesn't have an accurate idea of what her kids are feeling.


And transpeople, specifically transwomen are among some of the least-empathetic people I've seen. Most aren't malicious, just oblivious to what others think and feel.
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Honest to God this cant just be attributed to trans people, I think society in general this decade is at an all time low for empathy and giving a shit about each other, COVID - 19 has definitely made people far more odious and distrustful of one another. Its too broad a statement to make to assume its due to phycological factors due to being unable to gauge how another person perceives, that description could fit almost anyone. Some Trans individuals are nice and grounded such as the ones I've met, others im sure can be condescending and cruel, Absolutism gets us nowhere.
 
H3LLH4MM3R666 said:
I only take some solace in knowing that as more research gets done, more obvious patterns emerge

www.spectrumnews.org

Largest study to date confirms overlap between autism and gender diversity

People who do not identify with the sex they were assigned at birth are three to six times as likely to be autistic as cisgender people are.
www.spectrumnews.org www.spectrumnews.org

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The low empathy skills really stood out to me. For context, empathy doesn't refer to the degree that a person cares about the feelings of others. Empathy is the ability to accurately gague what other people are thinking, feeling, and perceiving. A sociopath can have high empathy skills and use them to play on people's feelings like a harp, solely for his own benefit, as he sees them as tools and objects to manipulate. Whereas a mother can genuinely love her kids more than anything in the world, but because she's a sperg with low empathy skills, becomes unberable to be around. Because she doesn't have an accurate idea of what her kids are feeling.


And transpeople, specifically transwomen are among some of the least-empathetic people I've seen. Most aren't malicious, just oblivious to what others think and feel.
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Autistic trannies having low empathy is news to you?
 
thegooddoctor said:
Perhaps but there is nothing inherently ‘wrong’ with just taking hormone replacements and wearing feminine clothing is there? I’m actually curious as to what your issue would be if we were to remove the gender reassignment options, If Trans people instead opted to simply dress like their desired sex, like all of them were just men cross dressing in drag and women dressing in more male clothing would that preferable? We would have a society filled with drag queens and it would be odd at first, but would that be preferable than having people damaging their lives apparently through operation?
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Hormone replacement isn’t on the same level as dressing differently. People can dress however they want for all I care, but just because Ayden is wearing suspenders and a binder that barely flattens her DD chest doesn’t mean I have to believe she’s a man.

Hormone replacement is not like taking a multi vitamin…you cant start or stop whenever you want. I can take centrum without a second thought. But HRT?? That is not to be treated lightly. There is no going back, even detransitioners get stuck with weak bones and froggy voices.
 
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