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God you are fucking autistic.
General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.
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I thought that was kinda a requirement for this website?
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It’s just like…you seem sincere with your arguments. There is nothing inherently wrong with that, but you seem unable to comprehend that people can dislike transgender ideology but not want to genocide transgender people. It’s like black and white with you: either you have to be completely okay with trannies or you have to be actively coordinating a political front to destroy all traces of transgenderism.
A lot of people just come here to vent, you know? And there are a lot of people who are concerned by the politics that TRAs push but trust that society will see the error in this and are perfectly fine to just vote and talk to their friends and family.
I still don’t understand what your goals are here.
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Im sorry, I do comprehend the subtleties of this issue, I know most people here are just venting their frustrations about this world and how batshit its people have become, I doubt many kiwis here are going to literally start burning Trans men and women at the stake for having an unsightly sagging post op trans come through airport customs and give a 2 min explanation on their pronouns to the local security. I imagine most just roll their eyes and go about their business, but its just the huge amount of venting and the fact that people have given such genuinely detailed and good cases for anti-trans viewpoints, that i have to wonder? why isn't this stuff more widely known or thought by normal society. It can't even say Its because they are stupid, I think you can still be intelligent and support trans, there is still a huge amount that isn't understood by either side. If we have had the answers all along and trans people are objectively false and damaging themselves and the rest of society than why don't we see more obvious criticisms anywhere in even more obscure news outlets?
Is it possible a lot of modern society don't really understand Trans rights in general and actually just feign acceptance as an extension of gay rights? Is it even possible that many of these so called supporters secretly do hate trans people but simply never speak out because doing so would be social suicide and lead to them losing clout in their respective social circles and ruining their public image? How many of them secretly think deep down all of this is bullshit?
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Obviously this is the case.
Political and societal issues issues like this are inordinately complex and affect countless different classes of people in different ways. Trans rights activists, even if they aren't consciously aware of this, exploit it to their benefit. Typically by oversimplifying the issues into pithy, but false, slogans: "Trans women are women", etc. Similarly if you can paint your detractors as hateful bigots, people will mostly gloss past their arguments and go with whatever you say. This is also exploited by TRAs by reflexively calling any and all criticism as "transphobia".
Most people will see TRAs as a group who claim to be discriminated against, take them on face value, and move on. They don't have an especially deep understanding of the actual issues.
As you pointed out, they piggybacked of the LGB rights fought for and mostly won (at least in the west). On its face, the comparison is apt. Both homosexuals and transexuals are not in the hetrosexual majority - surely it makes sense to group them together? This is as far as the normie understanding goes. Of course, in reality, homosexuals are same sex attracted, whereas transexuals are people affected by various mental illnesses, autism, grooming, etc. Some even may have legitimate "gender dysphoria".
Again, yes. Obviously.
Much of transgenderism is bullshit. The entirely of gender ideology is bullshit. But sadly it's so much easier to passively go with the flow. The TRAs can endlessly spout "TWAW" and "Transphobe!" without engaging with the actual issues, but I have to base my arguments in reality. That is much harder work, and to a normie watching this, they're going to think I'm protesting too much, and isn't it just easier to be nice to the troons?
Outside of the farms, I don't publicly support troons. But I also don't speak up against them either. I don't have much of a personal interest in the issue, other than a respect for women and a disgust for misogynistic men pretending they're women by LARPing offensive and outdated gender stereotypes. If I stuck my neck out, it would get me kicked out of some circles I exist in.
This is itself, bullshit. Truth is truth. It doesn't matter who is saying "a man is not a woman and cannot become one", it's just a fact. But if I were a female athlete losing to troons, or a woman assaulted by some disgusting tampon fetishist, or a victim of grooming, it would be easier to make the case even if the arguments aren't any different. That is politics unfortunately.
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The prevailing view on the farms seems to be that the trans movement is a source of degeneracy. If you hold that view in a general sense, I'm genuinely curious why you think the way you do. I'll ask my question first and then elaborate on my own view to hopefully make what I'm asking more clear.
Why do you see the modern trans movement as more of a source of problems in society instead of a symptom of other underlying problems?
To be transparent about my personal stance, I do believe there are legitimately trans people who have some innate cross-wiring that gives them dysphoria in their body and take their claims about their identity seriously, but I'm not going to pretend that this is true for all or even, perhaps, the majority of the cases. I also admit that there are some fetish cases where people can't contain their sissy kink to the bedroom. I don't want to quibble over the exact share of trans people falling into dysphoric, fetish, or the other category, but I believe the majority fall into that 'other' group. They are not afflicted by a medical condition but they aren't simply perverts. Feel free to disagree, but I wanted to state my beliefs because that's where my question comes from.
Focusing on this middle category, why do you think it's more cause than effect, if you believe that? Why more disease than symptom? I see these people choosing to undergo a radical change which seems likely to only make their life more difficult, all other things the same, and I have to assume their starting place must be sufficiently unpleasant if they think transitioning will improve it. For all of the low-effort transitions highlighted on the farms, there are many others who do entirely reinvent their identity; they even use the language of death and rebirth. Modern society is extremely alienating for a wide variety of reasons and I see transitioning as a response to that. Fewer and fewer people can successfully build their identity around traditional roles in their community and need to search for a niche elsewhere.
I could go on and on about how we're simultaneously all hyper-surveilled and analyzed while also being more anonymous and disconnected than ever across many facets of our lives but I won't rant or ramble more than I already am. In short, I see the trans movement and other ways of generally acting 'weird' in public, (furries, certain kink groups, etc.) as a more-or-less-rational response to conditions and empathize with them, (although I know they wouldn't describe it that way themselves.) Of course, I understand that being sad and lonely isn't a carte-blanche pass to do whatever you want in public but I think that's a separate debate from what I'm describing.
If you disagree, I'm interested to know where our thoughts diverge, whether it be with my assumptions or where I go from there.
Why do you see the modern trans movement as more of a source of problems in society instead of a symptom of other underlying problems?
To be transparent about my personal stance, I do believe there are legitimately trans people who have some innate cross-wiring that gives them dysphoria in their body and take their claims about their identity seriously, but I'm not going to pretend that this is true for all or even, perhaps, the majority of the cases. I also admit that there are some fetish cases where people can't contain their sissy kink to the bedroom. I don't want to quibble over the exact share of trans people falling into dysphoric, fetish, or the other category, but I believe the majority fall into that 'other' group. They are not afflicted by a medical condition but they aren't simply perverts. Feel free to disagree, but I wanted to state my beliefs because that's where my question comes from.
Focusing on this middle category, why do you think it's more cause than effect, if you believe that? Why more disease than symptom? I see these people choosing to undergo a radical change which seems likely to only make their life more difficult, all other things the same, and I have to assume their starting place must be sufficiently unpleasant if they think transitioning will improve it. For all of the low-effort transitions highlighted on the farms, there are many others who do entirely reinvent their identity; they even use the language of death and rebirth. Modern society is extremely alienating for a wide variety of reasons and I see transitioning as a response to that. Fewer and fewer people can successfully build their identity around traditional roles in their community and need to search for a niche elsewhere.
I could go on and on about how we're simultaneously all hyper-surveilled and analyzed while also being more anonymous and disconnected than ever across many facets of our lives but I won't rant or ramble more than I already am. In short, I see the trans movement and other ways of generally acting 'weird' in public, (furries, certain kink groups, etc.) as a more-or-less-rational response to conditions and empathize with them, (although I know they wouldn't describe it that way themselves.) Of course, I understand that being sad and lonely isn't a carte-blanche pass to do whatever you want in public but I think that's a separate debate from what I'm describing.
If you disagree, I'm interested to know where our thoughts diverge, whether it be with my assumptions or where I go from there.
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It's because the guys that aren't sexually aggressive simply don't interest women, and don't get laid as a result, meaning they can't pass on their genes and behaviours. It's not rocket science. Women love the idea of an extremely hot and/or wealthy guy who's sexually aggressive towards them, it's essentially what 99% of the erotic stuff that women read boils down to.
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I doubt that's a universal thing. The idea of some handsy, hyper aggressive man makes me sick to my stomach.
Of course, erotica exists in it's own bubble. Porn has a rather nasty effect on people's standards and ideals from what I've heard.
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The difference is the socially aware "Chad" can deduce whether his advances are being reciprocated, while the autist is blind to all social cues and therefore way more likely to end up with a sex pest rap.
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Recently I've come to notice that FtMs have XBOX HUGE lips and it's fucking disgusting. I'm not sure if it's because normal women sized lips look weird on a boyish face, or if there's an overlap with women who get lip injections and women that are insecure enough about their body image to troon out; but whatever the case is it makes me angry looking at these uncanny bobble-headed fat-lipped "man"lets flailing around with their female body language and facial expressions. I wonder if this is how women feel when they see fat fridge-bodied men try to imitate them.
This is political because ugly people don't deserve rights and both their opinions & identity are invalid.
This is political because ugly people don't deserve rights and both their opinions & identity are invalid.
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I’m sorry but despite everything people have said here, I say I still stand firmly on the the side of transgenderism, I have too many friends that are trans or are in the process of taking hormones to truly transition, and despite everything you have said I regards to them being dangerous to themselves and others and all the supposed crimes and inherent lunacy of the very concept itself. I still feel I need to stand by them, I’d feel too guilty otherwise.
I feel a lot of the degeneracy you describe seems to be a more predominantly American issue, because honestly all the trans people and autogynephile here In my homeland of England I’ve ever met completely knock all of the degenerate stereotypes you describe. They are all really charming, accomplished and even intelligent people that have good jobs and some are even wealthy. Yes, they may have somewhat odd views in certain regards and were pretty militant in their trans beliefs and extremely defensive and protective of their identity. But honestly if you were in the sexual minority of even the LGBT community, wouldn’t you be?
Not to shit on your country think a lot of issues stem from general from other pervading social and class issues stemming from America being so atomised in general due to geographical reasons with so many living in isolated lots so they don’t get educated about the different walks of life living in their states. Here In the UK aside the divide and hideous historic racism we’ve had with Ireland most of the different cities are pretty well connected and amicable with one another. We generally fit in well with the rest of the other cities and even when we have opposing political viewpoints between different cultures we ‘generally’ don’t want to immolate one another.
This lack of contention doesn’t seem to exist there, it seems a very American-based issue and perhaps the huge trans issues you are experiencing today are the result with ingrained social/class Dichotomies that cause dissent against anyone who isn’t straight middle- class respected white Bois. Leading to Honophobia and various other issues related to class differences. A lot of the transphobia is probably due to ableist viewpoints considering how most people even now have trouble dealing with the mentally ill or those with disabilities as we’ve seen from this very site (irony haha).
Honestly I’m sure there are absolutely Trans people who are shitheads I’m not denying that, the SJW trans Wojack memes exist for a reason, but to label all of them like this seems ridiculously facile and ignorant that all trans persons identity is not all that defines them. It’s the same with any gay man or women, they can be an intelligent, well respected and successful members of society that are homosexuals, and they can be shitheads and gay too. The same applies for Trans, don’t focus on that one aspect to discredit them, they’re still people and are just as intelligent and capable as doing as much intellectual wise as anyone else.
I feel a lot of the degeneracy you describe seems to be a more predominantly American issue, because honestly all the trans people and autogynephile here In my homeland of England I’ve ever met completely knock all of the degenerate stereotypes you describe. They are all really charming, accomplished and even intelligent people that have good jobs and some are even wealthy. Yes, they may have somewhat odd views in certain regards and were pretty militant in their trans beliefs and extremely defensive and protective of their identity. But honestly if you were in the sexual minority of even the LGBT community, wouldn’t you be?
Not to shit on your country think a lot of issues stem from general from other pervading social and class issues stemming from America being so atomised in general due to geographical reasons with so many living in isolated lots so they don’t get educated about the different walks of life living in their states. Here In the UK aside the divide and hideous historic racism we’ve had with Ireland most of the different cities are pretty well connected and amicable with one another. We generally fit in well with the rest of the other cities and even when we have opposing political viewpoints between different cultures we ‘generally’ don’t want to immolate one another.
This lack of contention doesn’t seem to exist there, it seems a very American-based issue and perhaps the huge trans issues you are experiencing today are the result with ingrained social/class Dichotomies that cause dissent against anyone who isn’t straight middle- class respected white Bois. Leading to Honophobia and various other issues related to class differences. A lot of the transphobia is probably due to ableist viewpoints considering how most people even now have trouble dealing with the mentally ill or those with disabilities as we’ve seen from this very site (irony haha).
Honestly I’m sure there are absolutely Trans people who are shitheads I’m not denying that, the SJW trans Wojack memes exist for a reason, but to label all of them like this seems ridiculously facile and ignorant that all trans persons identity is not all that defines them. It’s the same with any gay man or women, they can be an intelligent, well respected and successful members of society that are homosexuals, and they can be shitheads and gay too. The same applies for Trans, don’t focus on that one aspect to discredit them, they’re still people and are just as intelligent and capable as doing as much intellectual wise as anyone else.
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Let me guess, you're an autistic troll? You need to settle down buddy.
Who gives a fuck about trannies. In fact it seems like some of you need to just go out and fuck one, get it over with, not sure why it affects you so much unless you have some serious homosexual issues. Just make sure you try not to strangle them to death after you blow your load. I would suspect that anyone who has a job and has been exposed to actual populations of people in their adult life would have gotten used to trannies by now, they are all over the place in most major cities and they have been for a good two decades or more. Most of you faggots probably are too scared to even walk around in Lower Manhattan or Los Angeles.
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"the side of"
Ironically such a binary way of thinking
Explains why it's all or nothing to you, and you don't seem to understand that the majority of people here just want troons to fuck off and away from women's rights and trooning out kids, but could otherwise do whatever they want in their own bedrooms and most people don't give a fuck unless those two things are under attack specifically.
Ironically such a binary way of thinking
Explains why it's all or nothing to you, and you don't seem to understand that the majority of people here just want troons to fuck off and away from women's rights and trooning out kids, but could otherwise do whatever they want in their own bedrooms and most people don't give a fuck unless those two things are under attack specifically.
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I think most of you will find that if you don't go online for a week, you'll have extremely minimal contact with the stuff you're raging out about, if any contact at all. Unless you're extremely unlucky or have a super fucked up job/social sphere, you'll never have to actually deal with these Narcissa-type or Chris Chan troons. Like maybe you'll see some 17 year old trannies on the subway or something, but they're just teenagers. Actual trannies are either unrecognizable because they fit in like responsible adults, or they're just rich people walking down the street in NYC or LA on a Saturday or Sunday. Shit is normal as fuck there.
When a Chris Chan is around, its clearly a "oh god there's a crazy person" type vibe that fills the entire area. They are indeed dangerous and volatile, but they aren't actually trannies, they're crazy deranged psychos about to bear mace someone. Narcissa types are wearing hoodies and earbuds and covid masks, hiding in a corner somewhere or trying to get out of the public view as fast as possible. Maybe cosplaying in their own little social world at a hotel on a rare good day.
Be honest, show of hands, how many of you posting actually know anyone personally (or even indirectly, ie. friend of a friend) who is trooning their kid out lol? I am actually curious, please share your stories if you have them. No online articles. You have to actually know them or know of them IRL.
The non-binary language police shit needs to stop though thats for sure. I don't mind white knighting for trannies but I will only do so for the ones who take it seriously and are actually transitioning, minding their own business and maintaining the very important two-genders-only (aka "The Binary" ) world policy that makes everything keep spinning.
When a Chris Chan is around, its clearly a "oh god there's a crazy person" type vibe that fills the entire area. They are indeed dangerous and volatile, but they aren't actually trannies, they're crazy deranged psychos about to bear mace someone. Narcissa types are wearing hoodies and earbuds and covid masks, hiding in a corner somewhere or trying to get out of the public view as fast as possible. Maybe cosplaying in their own little social world at a hotel on a rare good day.
Be honest, show of hands, how many of you posting actually know anyone personally (or even indirectly, ie. friend of a friend) who is trooning their kid out lol? I am actually curious, please share your stories if you have them. No online articles. You have to actually know them or know of them IRL.
The non-binary language police shit needs to stop though thats for sure. I don't mind white knighting for trannies but I will only do so for the ones who take it seriously and are actually transitioning, minding their own business and maintaining the very important two-genders-only (aka "The Binary" ) world policy that makes everything keep spinning.
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Does a grandmother count? Because I've had a good, long whinge about my brother's mother in law and her shenanigans with his kid, in the support thingy thread.
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Learn to read.
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Jesus Christ, your starting to sound as cringe as me, chill tf out sperg.