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Henry Bemis said:
As someone who didn't really grow up with video games (and therefore, a filthy casual), my first thought as to how people are taking this was "Wait a minute, gaming journalism is a thing?" I mean, I know there's some quality writing on the subject out there, but it's never really struck me as something that was held to a similar standard as other media; it just seemed more like gamers palling around than anything. So to say the controversy is a blow to gaming journalism might ring true to some, but to me, it just seems like hyperbole.

I could be horribly wrong, though.
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Games journalism makes lots of money.

The game industry is set to hit 100 billion dollars in terms of value. GTA5 made more money than most Hollywood blockbusters last year. Right now video games are set to become the most profitable entertainment medium in the world. A big problem I have with all this is while game journalists should have a lot of responsibility, they seem like they're above "standards" and "ethics". Simple things like "don't sleep with a person you're writing about and immediately write articles about them." You know, the sort of thing that would get you fired at MSNBC but surprisingly enough gets your boss to defend you at Kotaku. That same boss at Kotaku who has a Masters in Journalism and should know full well the concept of ethics.

Unfortunately, power corrupts. And when you are suddenly shifted into the limelight and given mass amounts of attention and money for doing a relatively simple job of writing about video games, you start thinking the people who read your work cease to matter.
balcolm said:
The higher ups won't be able to wait for this to blow over if we don't ever shut the fuck up about it.
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4chan and Reddit are planning a mass protest at PAX. People are refusing to shut up about it.
 
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Jesus. The shit is going to hit the fan.
 
To continue off of @Cuddlebug if I may, with this new empire rising there needs to be checks and balances not just in it's journalism but with the people working within it like devs and publishers. One thing that irks me on this whole ordeal is how SJW's want to inject their agenda into all games. First you start small with the indie stuff, big companies see it take off and then they say "Obviously this sells now, this is what we should do". I never got the praise for stupid shit like Gone Home because as someone who has been gaming for 20 or so years, it came off to me as a preachy house walking simulator. Now imagine an entire industry saying "Clearly this is what they want let's make more" (thank fucking god it hasn't quite yet (but it's happening)) and pushing that all over.

If that's a game you like, go for it. If you want to support those devs, have at you. But the minute you think that I'm just "oppressing you" because I happen to be a white guy comfortable with their body and you need to push your stupid fucking agenda down my throat in something as innocent as Mario, get bent. This especially makes me mad when there are so many platforms to create and publish on that you could do it for your own audience but no, that isn't good enough.

Sorry, I'll stop ranting now.
 
Green Puddin said:
To continue off of @Cuddlebug if I may, with this new empire rising there needs to be checks and balances not just in it's journalism but with the people working within it like devs and publishers. One thing that irks me on this whole ordeal is how SJW's want to inject their agenda into all games. First you start small with the indie stuff, big companies see it take off and then they say "Obviously this sells now, this is what we should do". I never got the praise for stupid shit like Gone Home because as someone who has been gaming for 20 or so years, it came off to me as a preachy house walking simulator. Now imagine an entire industry saying "Clearly this is what they want let's make more" (thank fucking god it hasn't quite yet (but it's happening)) and pushing that all over.

If that's a game you like, go for it. If you want to support those devs, have at you. But the minute you think that I'm just "oppressing you" because I happen to be a white guy comfortable with their body and you need to push your stupid fucking agenda down my throat in something as innocent as Mario, get bent. This especially makes me mad when there are so many platforms to create and publish on that you could do it for your own audience but no, that isn't good enough.

Sorry, I'll stop ranting now.
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I just wanted to add that a lot guys like having fantasy characters they can play that are uber-masculine. In the same way, I sometimes like having avatars like Bayonetta. I really don't want to spend my escapism time as a frumpy 20 something psuedo-goth trans girl dragonkin...


According to some people I was brainwashed by the patriarchy.
 
Cuddlebug said:
4chan and Reddit are planning a mass protest at PAX. People are refusing to shut up about it.
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Protests are great, and they bring attention, but eventually it will all die down, and that is what "gaming journalists" are banking on, the short attention spans of their target audience.

A much more effective strategy would be a coordinated push to notify the advertisers of this behavior. Because the people who are paying for ads on these sites may like all the clicks they get on articles, but they certainly wouldn't like to see their name tied to ethics breaches in journalism and favoritism being paid to developers who are willing to fuck journalists or live with them or PR people who used to be "journalists" giving favor to their friends.
 
teheviltwin said:
I just wanted to add that a lot guys like having fantasy characters they can play that are uber-masculine. In the same way, I sometimes like having avatars like Bayonetta. I really don't want to spend my escapism time as a frumpy 20 something psuedo-goth trans girl dragonkin...


According to some people I was brainwashed by the patriarchy.
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Well, they're idiots, of course they invoked false consciousness and said you didn't know what was good for you.

As for idealized forms: I'm of the opinion designers make games for a hypothetical male audience. The male character designs are who the player wants to be and the female designs are who the player wants to fuck.
 
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Total Dingus said:
...because I really want to be a fat, Italian plumber.
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Morbid Boredom said:
Well, they're idiots, of course they invoked false consciousness and said you didn't know what was good for you.

As for idealized forms: I'm of the opinion designers make games for a hypothetical male audience. The male character designs are who the player wants to be and the female designs are who the player wants to fuck.
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You know like I mentioned before I'm a white privileged cis scum shitlord who hasn't bothered to check it recently but I'd like to say that when I was a kid and growing up until the last say, three or four years I didn't give a fuck who the protagonist in a game was rather it be their skins, gender, ethnicity, etc because I'd just put myself into the game and it never mattered but gee I guess I've been oppressing people this whole time like my great grandfathers, clearly. It's not them making a boogeyman or anything, it's just me because I was born.

Total Dingus said:
...because I really want to be a fat, Italian plumber.
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How DARE you trigger my headmate LETSA GOOOO MOTHAFUCKA
 
Total Dingus said:
You could say the same about comics, or any kind of heroic fiction, or hell, some aspect of every form of media. An aspect of fiction is wish fulfillment.
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Indeed. And Patrick Dempsey's face sells tickets to romantic movies, but not action movies.

It's marketing.
 
Green Puddin said:
You know like I mentioned before I'm a white privileged cis scum shitlord who hasn't bothered to check it recently but I'd like to say that when I was a kid and growing up until the last say, three or four years I didn't give a fuck who the protagonist in a game was rather it be their skins, gender, ethnicity, etc because I'd just put myself into the game and it never mattered but gee I guess I've been oppressing people this whole time like my great grandfathers, clearly. It's not them making a boogeyman or anything, it's just me because I was born.
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I wasn't blaming you, I'm blaming marketing.


How DARE you trigger my headmate LETSA GOOOO MOTHAFUCKA
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Mama mia!
 
Green Puddin said:
You bring up an interesting point. If this were a guy we wouldn't hear the fucking end of this from those supposed "journalists". No I'm not MRA but this is how their brain functions. I think this might actually be a good point to get across. Start a hashtag or something and change quotes from Ms. Quinn to Mr. Quinn and just let people see how bullshit it all is.

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I haven't paid too much attention to Fish but what the fuck is his problem this time?
 
I'm guessing he's simply gone into "Spew vitriol at anybody who complains about Quinn's behavior" mode. I mean, this is the same guy who quite game development and said his fans didn't -deserve- Fez 2 because people dared to criticize him.
 
No comment. Warning: still trying to figure out if the last tweet is real or fake. Zoe's first tweet is still up and someone on twitter claimed that she deleted the second one. ATM, I'm assuming the second tweet was legit since Steve Beynon's replies to it are still up.

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Want to get into E3 and have exclusive interviews with the big heads? I'm a journalist!

Want to fuck your way to the top and accuse a dev of supposed rape without any proof beyond one person's hear-say? I'm a blogger!

btw say this today, thought it was funny. I'll stop shitting the thread up for now though.

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Also Jontron when on TotalBiscuit's stream and confirmed his position on the whole situation (ie that he's against Zoe and the whole nepotism in VG Journalism). /v/ started #IStandWithJonTron on twitter. It's trending and a whole bunch of SJW came out of the woodwork to bash him.

Here's an MP3 of the stream for those who missed it:
https://mega.co.nz/#!q89kGBLI!mRUPEUqNpupTl7fxN75t40EvhAiYIZ_cDCNlY2SwRtk
 
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