🦊 Furry Furry Fandom and Drama General

[Sigma]

I guess the real question with this guy is, does he talk about having arthritis before this. You know how furries over share about everything. There would be posts about it on his twitter.

Having not scrolled down too far, I found this.

Well, I can see that there's at least cause for suspicion based on how he reacted and how using dry ice is pretty foolish. But I'm not going to shit on somebody unless I know for sure that they deserve it. From his twitter, he just seemed like a run of the mill furry to me so I really couldn't say. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

 

[The_MmmBop_Gang]

Definitely a bondage accident gone wrong and he doesn't want to be outed as a kinkster.

I know that community far better than I wish I did and it's rife with gay BDSM enthusiasts that don't want it publically known that they're into kinky shit.

He's just another in a line of retards that injure themselves from reckless bondage play.

 

[Mikoyan]

Well, having not scrolled down too far, I found this.
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Well, I can see that there's at least cause for suspicion based on how he reacted and how using dry ice is pretty foolish. But I'm not going to shit on somebody unless I know for sure that they deserve it. From his twitter, he just seemed like a run of the mill furry to me so I really couldn't say. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

That's not an accident. That's a hesitation mark.

 

[Connectingdotsanddogs]

Well, having not scrolled down too far, I found this.
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Well, I can see that there's at least cause for suspicion based on how he reacted and how using dry ice is pretty foolish. But I'm not going to shit on somebody unless I know for sure that they deserve it. From his twitter, he just seemed like a run of the mill furry to me so I really couldn't say. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

Thinking about it he seems to be a furry that is actually trying. His job revolved around heavy machinery and objects. With arthiritis that tells me he is putting a fair amount of effort into his job (or the place that hires him if not self employ) either can't shake him or are to relaxed on someone that doesn't work

Out of context some of whay he has said can seem like he is some fetishist. Maybe he is. But I think even if he was hed wait until a natural injury that seriously needed attention rather then rig one

 

[BeepMareep]

If somebody has chronic pain, I can see somebody going to ridiculous lengths to try to get rid of the pain if they are desperate. Sure it's stupid, and hard to believe somebody would do that, but perhaps being on strong pains meds, he wasn't thinking too clearly.

 

[YayLasagna]

I think the fascinating thing in this story is how it's being received within and outside of furry Twitter. Inside furry Twitter he is stunning and brave and overcoming obstacles, outside the fandom people are seeing this for what it is. There were multiple /pol/ threads taking the piss out of him and his story, which is up there with "I was browsing the internet and my pants slipped" in terms of plausibility. Even outside of the furry community on Twitter, people took the piss out of it including even e-celebs like Mister Metokur and one search shows the contrast between furries and the rest of the world.
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Others saw his bondage photos, and took guesses that it was part of a sex act gone wrong.
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They knew that using dry ice to treat pain is even dumber than using gasoline to start campfires, and to add to this a news story from 2006 talked about amputee fetishists using dry ice to get amputated by leaving their body parts in dry ice for hours.



Furries didn't ask questions, they decided to listen and believe while yelling at 4channers saying it's not true. To them a furry amputating himself is stunning and brave, while the outside world continues to laugh at furries. In other words it's just another day in the fandom.

I'm telling you, if this guy has a Furaffinity he has amputee porn favorited.
Edit: Nevermind, guy is clean as far as I can tell. Everyone he's watching are tame as well. I think this might really just be a case of a stupid person being stupid. (Archive)

 

[Mikoyan]

I'm telling you, if this guy has a Furaffinity he has amputee porn favorited.

He seems to have several. The professed primary of Pretzelzcollie is a ghost town. However, working backwards with some searches through FA got us some fursuit and badge links that lead back to this account (archive). Some searching found some backup cross-naming on a twitter comment. Too, it shows a car with what seems to be Nevada plates off-roading, which fits with Reno-area.

So, taking it that this is likely his account, what does it tell us? Not too much. The treasure trove of amputee fetish porn isn't there - in fact it's a clean profile, it seems like. There seems to be no hallmarks of recent redaction, so maybe there's an AD account somewhere else, a cursory search didn't find it. He seems to like to go to the Bay Area (and from the pictures there seems to pal around with our friend Dogpatch), which would be common.

Favorites and faves-of-friends show some propensity towards bondage. Directly, though, they have a lot of faves showing off paws. It's not super paw fetishy but it's leaning that way. Also he almost never seems to be without a ball in his mouth in suit. This is perhaps an obvious and expected thing for a dog 'suiter, but it's not IMO terribly common. Hmm. Nothing conclusive, but definitely not leaning towards the innocent explanation.

No journals so no knowledge of previous arthritis mentions.

 

[Layne Staley]

Though the whole 'feel asleep on dry ice for six hours treating arthritis' thing sounds like bullshit to me, the more I check back the more I suspect he did some something stupid to cause that and is too embarrassed to tell the truth rather than intentionally done to get amputated. Though the paws comments are eyebrow raising, nothing else I've seen from him really indicates that he had a thing for amputees and it doesn't make sense to have them amputated for fake paws when he can just literally wear paw hands over his real ones (including one of those fetishy ones that render them useless while worn). Seeing as he has a thing for bondage, I find it far more believable that a kink game went horribly wrong. Especially considering he was a mechanic who owns his own business and has hobbies like kayaking. Takes someone who is absolutely mental to suddenly throw all that away for a fetish he can't even jerk off too.

 

[Dr. Dingo DVM]

Agreeing with the above, an active guy that works with his hands with no sign of amputee LARPing or porn just doesn't sound like a staged accident. It was probably something dumb and embarrassing.

Either way I don't think he is stunning and brave but I do feel kinda bad for him. That's a huge change in how he lives his life and now he is out of work probably for good. In a fandom of Gofundme and Kofi beggars it's at least something that he had a skilled and respectable job.

 

[Sigma]

Since we have pictures of his hands, would there be a way to tell whether it was frostbite or a circulation problem definitively just by looking at it? I'm not super familiar with that kind of thing but I'd imagine it would be possible.

 

[Connectingdotsanddogs]

Agreeing with the above, an active guy that works with his hands with no sign of amputee LARPing or porn just doesn't sound like a staged accident. It was probably something dumb and embarrassing.

Either way I don't think he is stunning and brave but I do feel kinda bad for him. That's a huge change in how he lives his life and now he is out of work probably for good. In a fandom of Gofundme and Kofi beggars it's at least something that he had a skilled and respectable job.

You say that

Today will bring some spoilt troon with 10 fursuits and NEEDS to get to a con to convert more eggs

And they will get the money still

 

[camopattern]

Since we have pictures of his hands, would there be a way to tell whether it was frostbite or a circulation problem definitively just by looking at it? I'm not super familiar with that kind of thing but I'd imagine it would be possible.

I did a quick google search because I know shit about anything medical other than a high school diploma, but the hands do indeed go blue and swell up from frostbite.

Frostbite - Hand - Orthobullets

www.orthobullets.com

The thing that bothers me is in his video

https://twitter.com/PretzelzCollie/status/1164213798485413888?s=19

His hands are red and he's in the hospital. When you get frostbite your hands turn blue to black, the cells literally die. For them to be red AFTER blue it means there's must be some circulation.

So I'm not buying it myself until a medical farmer comes in

 

[CIA Nigger]

Agreeing with the above, an active guy that works with his hands with no sign of amputee LARPing or porn just doesn't sound like a staged accident. It was probably something dumb and embarrassing.

Either way I don't think he is stunning and brave but I do feel kinda bad for him. That's a huge change in how he lives his life and now he is out of work probably for good. In a fandom of Gofundme and Kofi beggars it's at least something that he had a skilled and respectable job.

The fetish theories probably gained traction too because so many furries tend to have secrets that they want to hide and have a tendency for never telling the full story. Plus googling dry ice and limbs brings up stories about people doing that in an attempt to get amputated, and as troons show plenty of fetishists will doctor shop or game the system to get what they want.

 

[Nile]

Medfag in training here, so take my sperging with a grain of salt:

Spoiler: Sperging

The photo of his hands was posted on the 20th. The photo of the amputation on the 23rd. I want to assume the photo of his hands was taken weeks ago and wasn’t uploaded until days of the amputation? Because they should not have amputated his hands that fast. He should have been kept in hospital for atleast 4 weeks, with physical therapy and close monitoring to see what tissue is, if any, recovering. If they really did amputate in 3 days then that facility needs to be shut down.
In hospital, the affected area needs to be quickly rewarmed with water. There’s a lot more to the process than just “put that shit in warm water” but I’ve gone on long enough without detailing each step. But if done right, even areas with blackened eschar can slough away and some or all function can be restored to the tissue. If the area becomes mummified eschar, which looks black and shiny like a lump of coal, then it will autoamputate.

The photo of his hands look salvageable. If thats what they looked like before being treated by the ER, then there was hope for his hands. If that photo was after treatment, I would still say there is hope. Based on that fb video, I say his hands should have never been amputated. The tips of his fingers appear necrotic. Worst case scenario they should have removed his distal and maybe middle phalanges. If you watch closely during the first 30 seconds of the video, he is able to twitch his right thumb and right index finger. I mention this because in the photo his right hand was the most concerning to me. The huge blister on his wrist had potential to drain and turn into eschar, killing the connection to his hand and making his hand useless.

Like I said, I’m in training and I have little information to go off of, so what do I know? But I think more could have been done for him. I think taking both hands was unnecessary.

 

[Sigma]

Medfag in training here, so take my sperging with a grain of salt:

Spoiler: Sperging

The photo of his hands was posted on the 20th. The photo of the amputation on the 23rd. I want to assume the photo of his hands was taken weeks ago and wasn’t uploaded until days of the amputation? Because they should not have amputated his hands that fast. He should have been kept in hospital for atleast 4 weeks, with physical therapy and close monitoring to see what tissue is, if any, recovering. If they really did amputate in 3 days then that facility needs to be shut down.
In hospital, the affected area needs to be quickly rewarmed with water. There’s a lot more to the process than just “put that shit in warm water” but I’ve gone on long enough without detailing each step. But if done right, even areas with blackened eschar can slough away and some or all function can be restored to the tissue. If the area becomes mummified eschar, which looks black and shiny like a lump of coal, then it will autoamputate.

The photo of his hands look salvageable. If thats what they looked like before being treated by the ER, then there was hope for his hands. If that photo was after treatment, I would still say there is hope. Based on that fb video, I say his hands should have never been amputated. The tips of his fingers appear necrotic. Worst case scenario they should have removed his distal and maybe middle phalanges. If you watch closely during the first 30 seconds of the video, he is able to twitch his right thumb and right index finger. I mention this because in the photo his right hand was the most concerning to me. The huge blister on his wrist had potential to drain and turn into eschar, killing the connection to his hand and making his hand useless.

Like I said, I’m in training and I have little information to go off of, so what do I know? But I think more could have been done for him. I think taking both hands was unnecessary.

Do you have an opinion of whether it looks like frostbite or not? Some things I've noticed from his photo is that it seems like both of his hands were affected evenly across it whereas other photos of frostbite I've seen typically aren't spread so evenly. And it seems like he has fairly distinct markings near both of his wrists. What would you say?

 

[Not an NSA Plant 69]

I did a quick google search because I know shit about anything medical other than a high school diploma, but the hands do indeed go blue and swell up from frostbite.

Frostbite - Hand - Orthobullets

www.orthobullets.com

The thing that bothers me is in his video

https://twitter.com/PretzelzCollie/status/1164213798485413888?s=19

His hands are red and he's in the hospital. When you get frostbite your hands turn blue to black, the cells literally die. For them to be red AFTER blue it means there's must be some circulation.

So I'm not buying it myself until a medical farmer comes in

I have some experience with frostbite from time spent working in a hospital and in the military (cold weather unit).

Frostbite is measured in degrees like a burn according to the depth of the frostbite: First degree is surface damage (frost nip) and affected areas look red, like a sunburn with reddening of the skin. Second degree has some depth down into the muscle tissue (superficial frostbite) and affected areas look white/light blue to blue. Third is has full depth into the muscular tissues down to the bone (deep or severe frostbite), it looks dark blue to black depending on how long the affected area is frozen, longer time frozen means darker color.

Spoiler: spoiler tag for the squeamish

The pictures of his injuries and the various colors shown are indicative of frostbite in the post thaw stages, not a from loss of circulation.

In the above photo from his twitter you can clearly see bullae (lesions/blisters) on the right wrist forming a "cuff" and one on the area on left wrist. That is what superficial frostbite injuries after thawing look like, big lesions/blisters (bullae) which form when the area is thawed (freezing breaks the cell walls and "blisters" form when thawed).

Deep frostbite looks dark blue to black depending on how long it occurred (hours to days), after thawed affected areas swell up and go through a cycle of colors (that depend on the initial coloration of the area) and can vary from blackish, dark blue, purple, dark red, or red. Tissue is generally removed after thawing as soon as it's apparent that it is in an unrecoverable state to reduce the chance of further tissue damage from necrosis and gangrene.

My guess is that they thawed his hands, then bandaged them in the hopes that it was not as severe as it appeared (that some tissue would be able to recover due to relatively short term exposure of hours not days), but this was not the case and thus they had to amputate.

I can't speak on his state of mind, he may have done it on purpose or it could be a stupid accident, but it was definitely frostbite injuries which resulted in his amputations.

 

[Stielhandgranate]

Someone is calling Stixil transphobic because he told them not to cut their dick off with a scalpel.

Judging by some of the replies he wrote, I was honestly convinced that this was a pathetic troll attempt until he actually spent time and effort making this video:

Spoiler

Now I just think it's someone with a severe mental disorder.
Can't forget this either. "he hacked muh discord to fake screenshots" after you sent those screenshots of yourself, tried to justify your side of the argument, and had 200 people tell you you were wrong.

ok.

 

[CIA Nigger]

Someone is calling Stixil transphobic because he told them not to cut their dick off with a scalpel.

The replies are great:



Shit like this is exactly why the trans community is seen as such a joke among internet communities that won't ban you for saying that. Here's a clearly mentally ill furry talking about cutting their dick off in a literal sense and describing it as "self care" while using the trans flag banner as a shield. He enjoys the trans community because they usually will never tell him that he's doing the wrong thing or that he's delusional, and he flips out the second allies or the community tell him "no don't do this".

 

[Stielhandgranate]

The replies are great:
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Shit like this is exactly why the trans community is seen as such a joke among internet communities that won't ban you for saying that. Here's a clearly mentally ill furry talking about cutting their dick off in a literal sense and describing it as "self care" while using the trans flag banner as a shield. He enjoys the trans community because they usually will never tell him that he's doing the wrong thing or that he's delusional, and he flips out the second allies or the community tell him "no don't do this".

I wonder how many responses you would get for him if you searched his name with "says the transphobe." Gotta be a phone number by now.

 

[Cool kitties club]

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Shit like this is exactly why the trans community is seen as such a joke among internet communities that won't ban you for saying that. Here's a clearly mentally ill furry talking about cutting their dick off in a literal sense and describing it as "self care" while using the trans flag banner as a shield. He enjoys the trans community because they usually will never tell him that he's doing the wrong thing or that he's delusional, and he flips out the second allies or the community tell him "no don't do this".

I wanted to say that was a troll but theres way too much effort.