🦊 Furry Furry Convention Drama - Because you can't have a couple thousand dog fucking enthusiasts under the same roof without shit hitting the fan

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Tennis-Ball-Tony said:
Furry was literally built on all the weirdo fetish subsects coming together under one umbrella of "no shaming". Early furry web 1.0 was chock full of people's pages with normal furry links, and then ones to zoophile pages. It was all intermingled together.
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I do wonder how close furry and zoophilia were in the early days of the internet. I know people claim the zoos came to the fandom, but i know zoos were around longer (at least the 80s, whilst furries came about in the 90s).
I've seen a lot of old zoo sites featuring furry writers, normally with a little statement of "yeah, they're a furry but they write good smut" normally attached. That or zoos calling furries stupid animal abusers, which is also interesting (i suspect this was on images of early zoosuiter content, although nothing was archived beyond comments).
 
Elderly beef taco said:
I do wonder how close furry and zoophilia were in the early days of the internet. I know people claim the zoos came to the fandom, but i know zoos were around longer (at least the 80s, whilst furries came about in the 90s).
I've seen a lot of old zoo sites featuring furry writers, normally with a little statement of "yeah, they're a furry but they write good smut" normally attached. That or zoos calling furries stupid animal abusers, which is also interesting (i suspect this was on images of early zoosuiter content, although nothing was archived beyond comments).
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Theres a disconnect between zoos and furs but also folk who overlap into both communities. Zoos back in the day seemed to hate furry stuff and seen it as weird in the same sense people who aren't into drawn porn think hentai is weird. "how can you find a cartoon drawing attractive?"
It probably also fits in with the fact that with such content like beast pics and vids, they run similar to cp rings where content and exclusives are currency and fame. Drawings don't really get held with the same reverence. Anyone can draw a scene, but people who actually act out are "living the dream" to them.

Then there's folk like Aradd who run old school style furry sites that have been active forever, still uploading content in 2024, an ancient gallery both full of real animal mating footage and furry stuff alongside it, and dedicated 'animals and humans' sections. It's very clear people like that are into both, and with such tiny niche webrings they probably just kept to themselves realising they were outliers.
 
Elderly beef taco said:
I do wonder how close furry and zoophilia were in the early days of the internet.
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It was always entwined. The only times it wasn't was for larger, more popular furry pages, then it wasn't necessarily banned because it was bad, just wasn't a good look. You could easily find zoo links in a lot of furry webrings and link pages.

The only thing not out in the open back then was the CSAM, however I hear and read that it was mostly a word of mouth thing. Everyone knew who was into that.

When Kage came onto the scene, with his "family friendly" schtick, it was primarily in response to other furry conventions having this stuff available and open for attendees. Even then it wasn't a response that "no, this stuff is bad", it was more "just keep it under wraps".
 
Beastie said:
Sounds like a normal day on the internet to me. Dislike someone? Disagree with someone? Accuse them of being any number of awful things with zero evidence. Same goes for rival events now too I guess.
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You showed up to a gossip forum and you're mad that people are gossiping. Log off, lose your password, and don't come back. No one here is going to support you, not even the KF furries who come to dish about other fluffy assholes.

In convention related news, give it a week, tops, for dish about assaults and other bad experiences at MFF to manifest onto X and Bluesky. As soon as the first person brings it up, the flood gates will open.
 
Tennis-Ball-Tony said:
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It was always entwined. The only times it wasn't was for larger, more popular furry pages, then it wasn't necessarily banned because it was bad, just wasn't a good look. You could easily find zoo links in a lot of furry webrings and link pages.

The only thing not out in the open back then was the CSAM, however I hear and read that it was mostly a word of mouth thing. Everyone knew who was into that.

When Kage came onto the scene, with his "family friendly" schtick, it was primarily in response to other furry conventions having this stuff available and open for attendees. Even then it wasn't a response that "no, this stuff is bad", it was more "just keep it under wraps".
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Facinating. Also, weird seeing an ad for furbuy from back then, although that site never did really look modern.
I never understood why the family friendly thing is still pushed. The reality is that a lot of furries are in it for sex. The fact all age fur cons are so common actually kinda bugs me, since it's just not safe. They don't have have to flaunt the zoo aspects or anything at an adult con, but at least there's fewer concerns of groomed kids showing up to meet their groomers.
 
Elderly beef taco said:
Facinating. Also, weird seeing an ad for furbuy from back then, although that site never did really look modern.
I never understood why the family friendly thing is still pushed. The reality is that a lot of furries are in it for sex. The fact all age fur cons are so common actually kinda bugs me, since it's just not safe. They don't have have to flaunt the zoo aspects or anything at an adult con, but at least there's fewer concerns of groomed kids showing up to meet their groomers.
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I totally believe in keeping cons 18+, kids are susceptible to idolism over the silliest shit like thinking someone is a pure angel because of having a cute suit. It brings peoples guards down, and they forget the person inside the suit is a grown adult who may or may not have ulterior motives in mind.

I think at this point, yeah, nobody is surprised what happens behind con hotel closed doors, just keep it respectful to the venue and don't pester people who aren't interested in joining in. The venues deserve to know that this stuff does happen, and to be prepared. Furries are people, people are often sexual, but furries tend to have a lack of social barriers that keeps sex to more contained levels of social norms. Expecting them not to be sexual and acting like the fandom is a sfw haven is why kids get involved and meet creeps so easily. It is a completely false image they're trying to push.

It feels like two completely different cultures sometimes. You have the chilled out attendees who aren't into the wild party sex, just come to hang out with friends, maybe do some dealing, checking out panels. Then the overly sexual side, who aren't really all that into the panels and just hide away in their rooms recording things together. A lot of the folk hardcore into the sexual side are all interconnected, to the point some cons have staff who are all open/poly with each other. That kind of thing in a normal workplace environment would be grounds for immediate firing.
 
Vault said:
It feels like two completely different cultures sometimes. You have the chilled out attendees who aren't into the wild party sex, just come to hang out with friends, maybe do some dealing, checking out panels. Then the overly sexual side, who aren't really all that into the panels and just hide away in their rooms recording things together. A lot of the folk hardcore into the sexual side are all interconnected, to the point some cons have staff who are all open/poly with each other.
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Exactly.
I know at least one convention did 18+ hours at night and apparently the "night market" made a small fortune since people there are, in reality, more interested in the adult stuff for sale than the t-shirts and such.
It's weirdly refreshing to be able to state "furry conventions should not allow children" on a webspace without being dogpiled...
 
Elderly beef taco said:
It's weirdly refreshing to be able to state "furry conventions should not allow children" on a webspace without being dogpiled...
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I fully agree with conventions being adult only. If you haven't hit the age of majority? You shouldn't be there imo. I also hold the same opinion for local furmeets and other events.

There's clearly a demand for adult only cons given the success of LVFC's policy (21+) and other conventions having success with adult only hours/events.

The best way to protect children and adults at furcons is for kids not to be there to begin with.
 
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Elderly beef taco said:
I know at least one convention did 18+ hours at night and apparently the "night market" made a small fortune since people there are, in reality, more interested in the adult stuff for sale than the t-shirts and such.
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Beastie said:
There's clearly a demand for adult only cons given the success of LVFC's policy (21+) and other conventions having success with adult only hours/events.
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21+ events of all kinds are much more chill and have been happening across the board. It turns out "family friendly" doesn't draw a crowd when there's alcohol and any kind of remotely mature activities involved. I've noticed it with normal events for normal people, under 21s are a buzzkill and a liability. Probably helps that everyone is single now and no one has kids except for single moms, family events still exist but other stuff has definitely moved away from it.
 
Piggle-o said:
21+ events of all kinds are much more chill and have been happening across the board. It turns out "family friendly" doesn't draw a crowd when there's alcohol and any kind of remotely mature activities involved. I've noticed it with normal events for normal people, under 21s are a buzzkill and a liability. Probably helps that everyone is single now and no one has kids except for single moms, family events still exist but other stuff has definitely moved away from it.
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Minors are a buzzkill for everyone who isn't "interested" in them. It's annoying to have them around and having to moderate yourself for fear of saying something inappropriate around them, having them see you drinking, etc.

I think most adult furs realize how much of a liability and frankly outright nuisance having kids around is. Those advocating for having kids around? They're either kids themselves or nonces.
 
Beastie said:
Minors are a buzzkill for everyone who isn't "interested" in them. It's annoying to have them around and having to moderate yourself for fear of saying something inappropriate around them, having them see you drinking, etc.

I think most adult furs realize how much of a liability and frankly outright nuisance having kids around is. Those advocating for having kids around? They're either kids themselves or nonces.
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Parental Furries should know better than to bring their children to a Furcon or do they just bring them to save on babysitting fees so they can spend more money on furry art?
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86831 said:
The grandmother is well aware of the degeneracy her daughter gets up to.

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You'll be shocked to learn there's no grandpa in the picture.
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Flame War Vet said:
Furries shoud not be allowed to have chilren.
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Grandpa's probably passed on and those poor children are being exposed to the Furry degeneracy by their mom and dad. You have to feel sorry for the kids, it's like they're being brainwashed into thinking the Furry lifestyle is a normal way of life. Grandma probably has no idea on how deranged her daughter Sciggles truly is, and is just being nice to her grandkids by saying that she wants a sticker.

Hopefully once the court battle for child custody gets started, the Family Court Judge will see that both the parents are lunatics and place the children in Foster Care with a "Normie" family.
 
Piggle-o said:
21+ events of all kinds are much more chill and have been happening across the board. It turns out "family friendly" doesn't draw a crowd when there's alcohol and any kind of remotely mature activities involved. I've noticed it with normal events for normal people, under 21s are a buzzkill and a liability. Probably helps that everyone is single now and no one has kids except for single moms, family events still exist but other stuff has definitely moved away from it.
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Beastie said:
Minors are a buzzkill for everyone who isn't "interested" in them. It's annoying to have them around and having to moderate yourself for fear of saying something inappropriate around them, having them see you drinking, etc.

I think most adult furs realize how much of a liability and frankly outright nuisance having kids around is. Those advocating for having kids around? They're either kids themselves or nonces.
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You really don’t see minors much at cons anyways. At least in my experience.
Though I imagine its more so dependent on the con venue like BLFC (A casino) vs FC (A convention center).
An interesting note about FC that people might not know: It takes place at the same time as a large woman/girls volleyball tournament or whatever.
 
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