UN Fourth Democratic Debate: A New Dope

Starts at 5pm-8pm PST / 7pm CST-10pm CST / 8pm-11pm EST

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Welcome to fourth Democratic primary debates, tonight will feature:

Joe Biden former Vice President


Kamala Harris senator from California


Bernie "Heart Breaker" Sanders senator from Vermont


Andrew Yang businessman


Cory Booker senator from New Jersey and mutated Obama clone


Beto O'Rourke representative from Texas


Amy Klobuchar senator from Minnesota


Julian Castro former housing and urban development secretary


Pete Buttigieg mayor of South Bend


NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHES: Tom Steyer billionaire and businessman


Elizabeth Warren Massachusetts senator


RETURNING: Tulsi Gabbard Hawaii representative


The poll will be posted after the debates. I'm happy to see Tulsi return, but I hate Tom Steyer, mixed bag. I predict tonight is going to be a total mess, this is make or break time.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

You act like paying into a system that benefits other people than you is a deprivation of your "rights" yet you ALREADY do that by being taxed for things like social security and medicare.

When the majority has actually said "No, we don't want that to happen." yes, that is a deprivation of your rights. The ACA was never in the clear majority, It passed by one vote, then then the Middle class that it completely fucked over voted in a Congress and a President that had promised for years to repeal Obamacare John McCain proceeded to fuck those voters over like the piece of Neocon shit he was, and If there is an afterlife I hope he is getting railed by the devil's 12 inch dick all day every day for that bullshit move he did.

The only people the ACA benefited was the Insurance companies.

PS. The ACA was wildly unconstitutional and John Roberts is a fucking piece of shit for making a deal to let it go through.

Thats only happening if the Netflix subscription runs out lmao

It happens every Election Cycle, that is what America uses instead of having to slaughter each other.

 

[Unog]

"afford it"

it depends on what you mean by paying for it

I agree.

You can't pay for it on a federal level, with the federal budget in it's current state, without a tax hike that would cause widespread civil disruption.

I think anyone advocating for a socialized option available to the broad public should first try to get something passed on a state level rather than a federal one.

 

[Maxliam]

I had an Obamacare plan for a spell while I was a broke bitch and the subsidy covered like 90% of my premium. I got a silver plan and only had to pay a paltry sum every month. I have friends and relatives who are on Medicaid and it sucks for them that they're in that position but they at least can get care.

I don't believe people who say they can't get health insurance. It's easier now than ever before. If you have a smartphone and a car and a TV you can figure out how to get a doctor. Try harder and quit being such a nigger

Yeah and when I tried to get on that same plan, they don't take into account if you're in debt and work a shitty job (at the time I was in my early 20's and barely make 11 an hour with debt) and they wanted me to drop a big chunk of my paycheck for some crappy bottom of the barrel plan.

That shit was retarded and fuck all those fuckers who passed that trainwreck. I'm glad Trump neutered the shit out of that crap. I hope next election they get a Republican majority in both chambers so they can fully repeal that shit. Fuck it and anyone who supports that nigger crap.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

they get a Republican majority in both chambers so they can fully repeal that shit.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *takes a deep breath* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If you think the GOP is actually going to Repeal the ACA you are more optimistic than the Blue Checkmarks who think Trump is gonna get removed from office through impeachment, They had their chance to Repeal the ACA and John McCuck rode in to rescue it..shield the GOP with his Cancer and then die like the piece of fucking shit he was.

 

[The Pink Panther]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *takes a deep breath* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If you think the GOP is actually going to Repeal the ACA you are more optimistic than the Blue Checkmarks who think Trump is gonna get removed from office through impeachment, They had their chance to Repeal the ACA and John McCuck rode in to rescue it..shield the GOP with his Cancer and then die like the piece of fucking shit he was.

If they repealed it anyways, what could he have replaced it with?

It's not like he spent a year thinking of a new Healthcare plan and tbh, Trump didn't really campaign on Healthcare. He just wanted to remove most of the things Obama did and make it better, in his own words.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

If they repealed it anyways, what could he have replaced it with?

It's not like he spent a year thinking of a new Healthcare plan and tbh, Trump didn't really campaign on Healthcare. He just wanted to remove most of the things Obama did and make it better, in his own words.

The repeal would have been enough for me given that under Obamacare my premiums doubled.

 

[ZMOT]

Being taxed so pols and the insurance companies can line their pockets while doling out Soviet style healthcare isn't going to appeal to anyone from anywhere on the political spectrum.

they gonna do that either way and you'll be the one paying for it, whatever the system is. that's why the whole healthcare debate is pretty much moot anyway.

 

[pwnest injun]

I agree.

You can't pay for it on a federal level, with the federal budget in it's current state, without a tax hike that would cause widespread civil disruption.

I think anyone advocating for a socialized option available to the broad public should first try to get something passed on a state level rather than a federal one.

Normally I'm all about states experimenting with things to show if/how they work, but states don't have the option to deficit spend up front to save money later the way that it happens on the national level thanks to the Federal Reserve.

 

[Sheryl Nome]

The real hot take is that Republicans actually secretly love the ACA since its big money for the insurance companies and under the surface 90% of them are big government corporate cronyist neo-cons. and so are like 90% of the democrats

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

I dont get the Opioid angle... EVERYBODY KNEW that they are highly addicting.
The problem are Hospitals and Doctors, they give out that stuff like candy, and not just in cases where other Painkiler arent strong enough.

What fucking hospitals are you going to? The only time I've ever had an opiate painkiller is when I was literally dying. Otherwise even if you're in agony they only give you extra strength tylenol because they're so terrified of being seen as drug pushers, and pain is just a subjective symptom anyway.

Not that it helps them when the "crisis" is manufactured by the media to give politicians something to condemn in the first place.

The USSR existed over 30 years ago. It's 2019 and I live in the wealthiest and most powerful country in the world and yet I have to beg for my father's life. I have to pay exorbitant medication prices that are essentially extortion. All while America fights a never-ending series of fool hardy regime change wars, causing untold numbers of atrocities, to the tune of $700 billion dollars. The same socialized medicine that everyone wants to implement in America has existed in countries like Canada, Australia, and the whole of Scandinavia for decades. The current system is incredibly cruel and broken so the talking point that it's just not viable, nothing can ever get better, and we have to sit and suffer isn't going to cut it. The only thing standing in the way are the insurance companies and the corrupt politicians that lobby to protect their corporate interests because the industry makes billions of dollars by making Americans choose between their lives, the lives of their loved ones, and complete and total financial ruin.

vote Bernie Sanders you worms

Your father has stage 4 cancer. He's a lost cause and Bernie Sanders would do even less to keep him alive than the current system does.

I know you're upset and you want to save his life, but random chance or God or just nasty oncogenes are in the process of murdering him and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. Mortality is monstrously unjust.

The whole system is useless and should be destroyed and remade.

Now you're getting it! The problem is the whole current system is set up in a way that sucks and all the easy ways to change it make it suck even worse.

This is because of the (largely accidental, thanks FDR you fascist gimp) dominance of employer provided health insurance and the AMA's monopoly. Something no politician wants to address except by generously offering to take all their income for themselves instead.

 

[Maxliam]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *takes a deep breath* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If you think the GOP is actually going to Repeal the ACA you are more optimistic than the Blue Checkmarks who think Trump is gonna get removed from office through impeachment, They had their chance to Repeal the ACA and John McCuck rode in to rescue it..shield the GOP with his Cancer and then die like the piece of fucking shit he was.

I know it's a long shot hope that it gets repealed. Honestly at this point just to troll the left. That and for Obama to see his flagship legislation destroyed would be satisfying. I legit hate that nigger.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Just legalize fucking everything and if you overdose on something not even meant to treat your malady that's your business, retard.

 

[Maxliam]

Just legalize fucking everything and if you overdose on something not even meant to treat your malady that's your business, exceptional individual.

I agree but big pharma wants to be the Walmart of opioids and people using a safe and natural thing like pot would kill their profit margin.

 

[Unog]

Normally I'm all about states experimenting with things to show if/how they work, but states don't have the option to deficit spend up front to save money later the way that it happens on the national level thanks to the Federal Reserve.

Then maybe we shouldn't be pursuing this as an option if it's so expensive?

 

[Ashy the Angel]

I know it's a long shot hope that it gets repealed. Honestly at this point just to troll the left. That and for Obama to see his flagship legislation destroyed would be satisfying. I legit hate that nigger.

Obamacare is shit. It should be completely undone. Because its a half-measure that really doesn't solve anything. Replace it with universal healthcare.

 

[Maxliam]

Obamacare is shit. It should be completely undone. Because its a half-measure that really doesn't solve anything. Replace it with universal healthcare.

Yup, god he was such a pussy pres.

 

[AnotherPleb]

Obamacare is shit. It should be completely undone. Because its a half-measure that really doesn't solve anything. Replace it with universal healthcare.

If we can fix the issue with illegal immigration then we can start working towards UHC and a lot of our wage issues, but I do have to agree with Obamacare being an absolute clusterfuck. How people couldn't see the trainwreck coming when the insurance companies only raised a mild stink about it still baffles me to this day.

 

[Unog]

Obamacare is shit. It should be completely undone. Because its a half-measure that really doesn't solve anything. Replace it with universal healthcare.

Bankrupting America overnight doesn't help anything either.

 

[Absolutego]

Obamacare is shit. It should be completely undone. Because its a half-measure that really doesn't solve anything. Replace it with universal healthcare.

We could just finally implement the public option and use that as a trial run to see whether the government can actually negotiate lower prices, but I suppose nothing other than a massive overhaul in the hands of a few select political celebrities is acceptable to you.

 

[Ashy the Angel]

Bankrupting America overnight doesn't help anything either.

It wouldn't bankrupt America. It would literally be cheaper than what we're doing right now. Wipe the private insurer cum out of your ears and please try to keep up, yeah?

We could just finally implement the public option and use that as a trial run to see whether the government can actually negotiate lower prices, but I suppose nothing other than a massive overhaul in the hands of a few select political celebrities is acceptable to you.

I'm for that too. Like, either or you know? I don't think we even disagree on this point. I don't care who the fuck does it. The people who wanna do it just so happen to be """""communists"""""