UN Fourth Democratic Debate: A New Dope

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Welcome to fourth Democratic primary debates, tonight will feature:

Joe Biden former Vice President


Kamala Harris senator from California


Bernie "Heart Breaker" Sanders senator from Vermont


Andrew Yang businessman


Cory Booker senator from New Jersey and mutated Obama clone


Beto O'Rourke representative from Texas


Amy Klobuchar senator from Minnesota


Julian Castro former housing and urban development secretary


Pete Buttigieg mayor of South Bend


NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHES: Tom Steyer billionaire and businessman


Elizabeth Warren Massachusetts senator


RETURNING: Tulsi Gabbard Hawaii representative


The poll will be posted after the debates. I'm happy to see Tulsi return, but I hate Tom Steyer, mixed bag. I predict tonight is going to be a total mess, this is make or break time.

 

[Stoneheart]

Bud, your entire continent's financial system is falling apart at the seams currently because of moronic government spending.

Not realy. Crime is a much bigger problem than the cost of migrants.

Also if you haven't noticed, here in America the people gibbering for free healthcare are also the same people screeching about how every single person who shows up on the country's doorstep should get citizenship.

Those are 2 different problems.
I just said that its possible, not that it will work.

Another point: your country has citizenship by birthright, as opposed to in America where its handed to anyone who shits a kid out with a pinkie toe in American soil.

We are maybe stupid, but not THAT stupid. we can round up our negros and send them back to where they belong.

This socialist-lite "perfect system" that American lefties lionize and smug Europeans like to flaunt is in the process of shitting itself to death, and it's only just beginning. And yet we still have people trying to act like the European Model is the obvious way to a perfect Utopia.

thats a wrong assumption is every possible way.

1. the american left doesnt understand or wants an european style system. forcing poor people to take every possible work they can get to keep their handouts is Racist.
they want the rich to pay for everything, in europe everybody is paying high taxes. that fosters a different mindset where people dont abuse government handouts so much.

2. We arent smug, we are just still mad of you for getting involved in to 2 world wars on the wrong side.

3. the european system is much more stable and funded than the US system. Chicago and its whole state will go bankrupt in the next 5 years.
thats apretty big state and one of the richer ones, that like the netherlands going bankrupt.
the badly run poor states in europe have problems(and the french), but even greece is more solvent than CA(and alot better run).

4. Its pretty nice to know that you can just go to the doctor without fearing to go broke.
Its cheaper than for profit healthcare. americans cant understand that because every Us government agency is run by monkeys.

 

[Socrates]

Not realy. Crime is a much bigger problem than the cost of migrants.


Those are 2 different problems.
I just said that its possible, not that it will work.


We are maybe stupid, but not THAT stupid. we can round up our negros and send them back to where they belong.


thats a wrong assumption is every possible way.

1. the american left doesnt understand or wants an european style system. forcing poor people to take every possible work they can get to keep their handouts is Racist.
they want the rich to pay for everything, in europe everybody is paying high taxes. that fosters a different mindset where people dont abuse government handouts so much.

2. We arent smug, we are just still mad of you for getting involved in to 2 world wars on the wrong side.

3. the european system is much more stable and funded than the US system. Chicago and its whole state will go bankrupt in the next 5 years.
thats apretty big state and one of the richer ones, that like the netherlands going bankrupt.
the badly run poor states in europe have problems(and the french), but even greece is more solvent than CA(and alot better run).

4. Its pretty nice to know that you can just go to the doctor without fearing to go broke.
Its cheaper than for profit healthcare. americans cant understand that because every Us government agency is run by monkeys.

3 words: negative interest rates. The entire eurozone is having to actively fuck over people with savings to try and get up to even anorexic growth. I hope you enjoyed bailing out Greece and Italy because the way things are going now it looks like there's more of that to come. That's on top of the union eating itself alive with this Brexit retardation.

 

[Stoneheart]

3 words: negative interest rates. The entire eurozone is having to actively fuck over people with savings to try and get up to even anorexic growth.

thats just the most retarded propaganda you could find on the internet. debt costs are getting realy low and profits from sane savings are not effected at all.
the only inflation we have if from new taxes and the debt burden on taxpayers is lessen. just stupid money and the banks are losing from this.

I hope you enjoyed bailing out Greece and Italy because the way things are going now it looks like there's more of that to come. That's on top of the union eating itself alive with this Brexit exceptionalism.

that didnt cost any money because the loans for that have negative interest rates... the Euro is the best form of currency manipulation ever. we get payed to buy up south european assets and the banks are paying for it. my only problem with that is that there werent enough people send to the south to fix their problems.

the only better thing than that was paying turkey a super small amount to keep all the terrorists out of europe. those 5 billion for 5 million people were cheaper than any wall could be.

 

[Socrates]

I'm not just speaking out my ass. I have connections to a scandinavian country. People are actively incentivized to be as useless as possible. There is no reason to get off the dole because in a lot of cases you will actually be worse off getting a job. Rent control and other centralist policies are turning the housing situation in cities into a total dumpster fire where you basically have to use the black market if you don't want to be on an apartment wait list for 10 years. Mark my words, the bill is coming due soon. You can only fuck over the healthy and productive in favor of the rest for so long before the number of contributors vs subtracters hits a negative ratio and fucks the whole thing. Good luck.

 

[Stoneheart]

I have connections to a scandinavian country. People are actively incentivized to be as useless as possible.

Sweden is a hellhole, denmark is wierd and Norway just has to much oil money.
Those arent good examples for europe.

here is no reason to get off the dole because in a lot of cases you will actually be worse off getting a job.

thats just the case for low paying jobs most of the time. there are reforms needed. but those reforms are already working in other parts of europe and the status quo is better than the system in the US.

Rent control and other centralist policies are turning the housing situation in cities into a total dumpster fire where you basically have to use the black market if you don't want to be on an apartment wait list for 10 years.

that sounds more like NYC. the biggest problem in europe are to high cost because of stupid environmental or asthetic regulations.

Mark my words, the bill is coming due soon. You can only fuck over the healthy and productive in favor of the rest for so long before the number of contributors vs subtracters hits a negative ratio and fucks the whole thing. Good luck.

im for deporting Nigger and Muslims, but they are the main problem. the average european wants to work.
there arent many white wellfare queens...
more old people to care for is not that problematic and people are okay with paying a bit more in taxes to keep grandpa from starving.

 

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more old people to care for is not that problematic and people are okay with paying a bit more in taxes to keep grandpa from starving.

I hope you aren't suggesting that elder care, like other areas of society such as the harvesting of crops, can have technology applied to the problem, rather than just importing infinite Hindus (or Filipinnos, or whoever is in vogue as cheap labor in a particular country)?

That's some racist shit right there.

thats just the case for low paying jobs most of the time. there are reforms needed. but those reforms are already working in other parts of europe and the status quo is better than the system in the US.

There is a need for revolutionary change in that regard. To quote the Leader:

One of the issues regarding laborers is the relationships that exist between them and their employers.... Capitalism, one of these materialistic schools, fully supports the capitalist and regards the laborer as a tool. Communism, another materialistic school, considered itself as the supporter of laborers and claimed that it would build a paradise in this world for laborers. But its performance showed that it could only fuel the fire of the hell that dominated the lives of not only laborers, but also the lives of other people in communist societies. In both systems - both capitalism and communism - the relationship between the laborer and the employer is a hostile relationship.

In capitalism, this relationship is based on exploitation and exerting pressures. In communism, the employer has been pictured as the manifestation of satan and as a monster. The reason was that the leaders of this school wanted to give the control of all production resources and factories to the government. They wanted to be the big employer. They implemented this plan, but the same plan destroyed them. It completely destroyed themselves and their people.

This is not the same in Islam. In Islam, the relationship between the laborer and the employer is not like the relationship between two enemies. It is like the relationship between two colleagues. The relationship is not based on exploitation. That is to say, the employer is not the sultan of the laborer. In western capitalism, the employer is the owner of everything. He may grant the laborer some concessions so that he does not lose his labor. But the relationship is based on exploitation. The laborer is like a tool. The employer does not regard the laborer as a human being. He regards him as a machine.

Islam vigorously condemns this. The laborer and the employer are two vital elements. In the absence of either of them, no work will be carried out. The laborer is the person who directly makes a product. The employer is the person who prepares the ground for production. The laborer is the one who makes the product and the employer is the one who provides the resources. The employer is the entrepreneur. In the absence of the laborer or the employer, there will be problems in production. They are like two partners and two soldiers who are in the same trench. This is the viewpoint of Islam.

 

[Traummaschine]

I'm not just speaking out my ass. I have connections to a scandinavian country.

Very convincing

 

[qu_rahn]

I had an Obamacare plan for a spell while I was a broke bitch and the subsidy covered like 90% of my premium. I got a silver plan and only had to pay a paltry sum every month. I have friends and relatives who are on Medicaid and it sucks for them that they're in that position but they at least can get care.

I don't believe people who say they can't get health insurance. It's easier now than ever before. If you have a smartphone and a car and a TV you can figure out how to get a doctor. Try harder and quit being such a nigger

 

[BR55]

Bud, your entire continent's financial system is falling apart at the seams currently because of moronic government spending.
Also if you haven't noticed, here in America the people gibbering for free healthcare are also the same people screeching about how every single person who shows up on the country's doorstep should get citizenship.
Another point: your country has citizenship by birthright, as opposed to in America where its handed to anyone who shits a kid out with a pinkie toe in American soil.

This socialist-lite "perfect system" that American lefties lionize and smug Europeans like to flaunt is in the process of shitting itself to death, and it's only just beginning. And yet we still have people trying to act like the European Model is the obvious way to a perfect Utopia.

Isn't the Nordic Model essentially dead now because of demographic stagnation/decline and, in a twist no one could have saw coming, low skill third world immigrants who themselves consume social services are a terrible replacement for middle class tax payers?

 

[Socrates]

Isn't the Nordic Model essentially dead now because of demographic stagnation/decline and, in a twist no one could have saw coming, low skill third world immigrants who themselves consume social services are a terrible replacement for middle class tax payers?

It's a small part of a long string of terrible monetary policy choices that string back to the 2008 recession. Take a look at stonehearts posts, I don't he realizes that he's subtly making my arguement for me. You notice the way he speaks so gleefully about fucking over his countries creditors? That's the crux of the problem.

 

[Ashy the Angel]

It's so fascinating to see the "rational" left clinging to absolute dichotomies: either you buy into the first "solution" that comes along, or you don't give a shit and like to watch poor people die.

Like it or don't, there are certain fundamental rights that the government has to respect when it takes action, and contrary to leftfeels, they extend far beyond gay sex and talking about how you want Republicans to be executed. Those include the right to keep what you earn, own what you make, and make contracts for services without the government second-guessing you at every turn. It doesn't matter why those rights exist; they exist, they are guaranteed, and if you want to take things from people, you have to prove they did something that is a crime as defined under existing law.

So if you're going to take things away from some people to give it to others, you had best be able to prove it's not really theirs to begin with, or that there is no other real way to do the things that makes taking stuff so necessary. Some of us are not satisfied that there is no other way, and we are too respectful of others' rights (and our own) to jump straight to taking money at gunpoint to give to others.

You can act more slowly, carefully, working to invade the rights of others as little as possible (ideally not at all), and craft a solution that will resolve the issue as completely as possible the first time...or you could just ignore the entire rule of law in the United States and hope that they don't write a law that says it's okay to shoot people with furry avatars on Thursdays because without rights to hold them back, they could.

Everything in this rant could be simplified as "WAHHH TAXATION IS THEFT", and no amount of flowery rhetoric will change that. You act like paying into a system that benefits other people than you is a deprivation of your "rights" yet you ALREADY do that by being taxed for things like social security and medicare. If your taxes are raised slightly to pay for healthcare YOU PERSONALLY would benefit from how is that a fucking issue to start a civil war over? I'm beginning to think that libertarians are genuinely insane, if not just willfully ignorant.

Also, "Die of treatable illnesses or be enshrined in eternal debt" is not a right. Its nowhere in the Constitution. I know it might be tempting to pull rights out of your ass because you see the left harp on about human rights, but being taxed is not an infringement of anything but your ability to not contribute to society. Being taxed only breaks laws you invented in your head.

If public healthcare in enshrined into law you're gonna suck it up and pay taxes on it just like every other libertard that threatens to go Rambo over having to give a fuck about other people. There will be no epic last stand or Clint Eastwood style showdown. I'm sure typing all that was cathartic though, gonna be a hoot hearing more of that over the next decade.

 

[Stoneheart]

I hope you aren't suggesting that elder care, like other areas of society such as the harvesting of crops, can have technology applied to the problem, rather than just importing infinite Hindus (or Filipinnos, or whoever is in vogue as cheap labor in a particular country)?

Hot eastern european ladies....

It's a small part of a long string of terrible monetary policy choices that string back to the 2008 recession. Take a look at stonehearts posts, I don't he realizes that he's subtly making my arguement for me. You notice the way he speaks so gleefully about fucking over his countries creditors? That's the crux of the problem.

Yeah, if we fuck over the tribe its evil...

2008 was different, that was about giving out high loans to minorities and idiots who wanted a home bigger than they could pay for.
the government decided to pressure banks to give out loans to everybody, thats socialism.

Greece isnt totaly broke, and they have partners with pretty much infinite pockets.

You act like paying into a system that benefits other people than you is a deprivation of your "rights" yet you ALREADY do that by being taxed for things like social security and medicare. If your taxes are raised slightly to pay for healthcare YOU PERSONALLY would benefit from how is that a fucking issue to start a civil war over? I'm beginning to think that libertarians are genuinely insane, if not just willfully ignorant.

He is abit hysterical, but for very good reasons! why should he trust in a government that isnt working and a political cast that is outright evil?

If public healthcare in enshrined into law you're gonna suck it up and pay taxes on it just like every other libertard that threatens to go Rambo over having to give a fuck about other people. There will be no epic last stand or Clint Eastwood style showdown. I'm sure typing all that was cathartic though, gonna be a hoot hearing more of that over the next decade.

the middle class will start the civil war, they will be sick of paying of illegals, niggers and other do nothing minorities 6 months after all those socialist programs are implemented.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Everything in this rant could be simplified as "WAHHH TAXATION IS THEFT", and no amount of flowery rhetoric will change that. You act like paying into a system that benefits other people than you is a deprivation of your "rights" yet you ALREADY do that by being taxed for things like social security and medicare. If your taxes are raised slightly to pay for healthcare YOU PERSONALLY would benefit from how is that a fucking issue to start a civil war over? I'm beginning to think that libertarians are genuinely insane, if not just willfully ignorant.

Also, "Die of treatable illnesses or be enshrined in eternal debt" is not a right. Its nowhere in the Constitution. I know it might be tempting to pull rights out of your ass because you see the left harp on about human rights, but being taxed is not an infringement of anything but your ability to not contribute to society. Being taxed only breaks laws you invented in your head.

If public healthcare in enshrined into law you're gonna suck it up and pay taxes on it just like every other libertard that threatens to go Rambo over having to give a fuck about other people. There will be no epic last stand or Clint Eastwood style showdown. I'm sure typing all that was cathartic though, gonna be a hoot hearing more of that over the next decade.

Do you even remember the rallying cry that kicked off 1776? "No taxation without representation!"

Being taxed so pols and the insurance companies can line their pockets while doling out Soviet style healthcare isn't going to appeal to anyone from anywhere on the political spectrum.

 

[Man of the Sea]

If public healthcare in enshrined into law you're gonna suck it up and pay taxes on it just like every other libertard that threatens to go Rambo over having to give a fuck about other people. There will be no epic last stand or Clint Eastwood style showdown. I'm sure typing all that was cathartic though, gonna be a hoot hearing more of that over the next decade.

Ah yes, American history is often full of people who just suck it up and accept laws for what they are and do as they are told. Look at alcohol prohibition and the war on drugs and people totally just suck it up.

 

[CharlesBarkley]

people totally just suck it up.

I would suck up anything Tulsi discharged.

But all joking aside, public health and obesity/fen overdose cases would be interesting to see handled. Ya know even the toughest paper pushers in Gov would just want to burn the whole thing down on day one.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

No amount of emotional bullshit is going to change the fact that the U.S. can't afford it. Sorry.

"afford it"

it depends on what you mean by paying for it

 

[Ashy the Angel]

Ah yes, American history is often full of people who just suck it up and accept laws for what they are and do as they are told. Look at alcohol prohibition and the war on drugs and people totally just suck it up

My bad, I completely forgot about the Obamacare Civil War, where working-class people took up guns, stormed washington and took over the white house. It was almost as bloody as the New Deal War of the thirties but not quite as horrifying as the Medicare Civil War of 1966.

Can I ask you something? What's it like being so completely drunk on corporate propaganda that you literally compare public healthcare to the American Revolution?

Ah yes, American history is often full of people who just suck it up and accept laws for what they are and do as they are told. Look at alcohol prohibition and the war on drugs and people totally just suck it up.

Why are you comparing the government restricting something to the government providing healthcare to people? A better comparison would be if the government took over those industries instead of criminalizing them and used taxes to fund it. Btw drugs should totally be decriminalized, just as an aside.

Of course, you don't have to suck it up! You're a red-blooded American, a true patriot! Commit tax fraud like the hero you are!

the middle class will start the civil war, they will be sick of paying of illegals, niggers and other do nothing minorities 6 months after all those socialist programs are implemented.

Thats only happening if the Netflix subscription runs out lmao

 

[Man of the Sea]

My bad, I completely forgot about the Obamacare Civil War, where working-class people took up guns, stormed washington and took over the white house. It was almost as bloody as the New Deal War of the thirties but not quite as horrifying as the Medicare Civil War of 1966.

Can I ask you something? What's it like being so completely drunk on corporate propaganda that you literally compare public healthcare to the American Revolution?

Ah yes, build that straw man. I didn't say anything about people being violent. Instead, people find ways around this shit all the time or they protest against it. And insulting me with the same straw man does little to nothing in actually making your point strong or actually offending me. Do better.

 

[pwnest injun]

If he wants to undermine the Dems on healthcare, a good first step for Trump to do, in addition to what he's already done re: drug reimportation, would be to disband the VA hospitals and extend Medicare benefits to veterans. Would help recruitment numbers as well.

 

[XYZpdq]

If he wants to undermine the Dems on healthcare, a good first step for Trump to do, in addition to what he's already done re: drug reimportation, would be to disband the VA hospitals and extend Medicare benefits to veterans. Would help recruitment numbers as well.

ehh, I've known disabled people on medicare or whatever it is and their opinions of how well it worked went from generally positive to sounding a lot more like the opinions I hear about the VA by the time Obemecare was in full effect.