Formula 1 Discussion - And favourite driver?

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I don't get these comments from Ross Brawn.

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Doesn't he basically confirm it's a gimmick with we're just doing it for specific weekends (where we think it will work)? Either do it or don't.

Plus the comment about it not being meant to impact the GP but it is setting the starting grid and removing the tyre from Q2 strategy decisions.
 
737 MAX Stan Account said:
I'd like them to return to Watkins Glen, personally. Thing is, we got plenty of good road courses here in the states, they're just not in "destination" areas where Liberty can make the big bucks.
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The problem with this is that Glen would have to get a Tilkefication. Though, the main reason there's not good road courses near destinations is because eventually when the properties around the track become desireable, various NIMBY types move into those properties and then proceed to complain about the noise every weekend that also just happens to be the only thing preventing the property value being higher. Long story short, the track usually is the loser in all this and ends up becoming abandoned if not outright demolished because local government put up fuck-you tier sanctions and rules over what, when and how you behave on the track.
 
The Grognard said:
Though, the main reason there's not good road courses near destinations is because eventually when the properties around the track become desireable, various NIMBY types move into those properties and then proceed to complain about the noise every weekend that also just happens to be the only thing preventing the property value being higher.
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It's been a long standing thing in the UK with dipshits moving near to tracks then complaining, unfortunately successfully, about the noise.

Moving next to a race track gives you no right to complain about noise​

Mildenhall race track has been told to reign in the noise, even though it's been holding licensed race meetings since 1975

Another noise case against a race track was in court last month. This time it was against the operators of Mildenhall Stadium, a speedway, banger racing and motocross stadium in Suffolk and, this time, heard in the Supreme Court (having already been through the High Court and Appeal Court).

It’s the ruling’s principles – rather than the specifics of the case – that are most noteworthy here. Couple moves into house, apparently unaware it’s within half a mile of a racetrack where they’ve held meetings, with planning permission, since 1975, and don’t like it.

You and I would check first, I suspect, but there you go; the house is also two miles from RAF Mildenhall. Maybe they didn’t know that, either.

Anyhoo, they first complain a few months in, before starting legal proceedings in 2008. At first they win, then they lose on appeal. On 26 February they win again in the Supreme Court.

Here’s where the principles come in. First, a venue might argue it has a prescriptive right to make noise because it has done for so long. And “it is possible to obtain… a right to commit what would otherwise be a nuisance by noise”, reads the judgement. However, “what has to be established is that the relevant activity has created a nuisance for over 20 years without interruption”. In other words, if you’re a bad neighbour for long enough, you could argue you’re entitled to be forever. The stadium didn’t manage it.

The character of the locality comes into it, too – this is a rural area – as does planning permission, with which the stadium complies. But “it is wrong in principle that, through grant of planning permission, 
a planning authority should 
be able to deprive a property owner of a right to object to 
what would otherwise be a nuisance, without providing 
her with compensation”.

But here’s the bit that will boil the blood of those who support the stadium and think that if an activity will bother you, you shouldn’t move next door. That the speedway was already there, and that the claimants “came to the nuisance”, is irrelevant.

“It is not a defence to a claim in nuisance to show that the claimant acquired or moved into a property after the nuisance had started,” reads the ruling. If the house was new, or modified so that the noise became more noticeable, or if its land had changed use, those factors could matter, but here, they didn’t; the house was already there, even if those who lived in it weren’t.

There are sound reasons for all these principles, of course, but the short of it is that you can move somewhere, uncaring about what might be nearby, because you can set about having it shut down when you get there. That makes me cross.
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Here it's those annoying middle class climber types who do it. Buy a nice big house somewhere right next to a track then go crying about it. It's absolutely ridiculous.
 
We had a similar thing over here in Finland regards to a firing range that's been in use for over a century, while also being next to an air force base. It got to such a point that they had to build a 20 meter high berm just for noise prevention but they still got screwed because they had to conduct noise measurements but were not allowed by the courts to conduct such measurements. It did get resolved eventually and so it got some use but fuck if these morons who move next to an air base and a firing range are some of the whiniest, most useless people in the world.
 
Shit like that happens in Germany a lot, too. People move to a rural town and then complain about cow noises and church bells.
How any courtroom can ever decide to ban a church from sounding their bells when that church has been built 600 years ago and the bell has been installed like 250 years ago and rung throughout its entire existence is beyond me. That's the point where I, as an inhabitant, would pay off a local farmer to borrow his tractor and about 4 tons of premium quality slurry and spray that stuff all across the yuppie-scums garden, front lawn and car in the middle of the night.
 
This sort of shit happens on a weekly basis in Australia. Only over here it's either people moving into newly constructed apartments next door to bars/pubs/live music venues that have been going for decades complaining about music, or it's people moving near an airport that's been there since before they were born and then complaining about aircraft noise.

Some people reckon that one of the reasons Adelaide lost the Australian F1 GP to Melbourne is because it happened to be on the side of Adelaide where the rich people live, and that they didn't like the noise. Slightly different circumstances, as many of these people had lived there for years... but the F1 GP was only for three or four days a year, and it was only during the day.
 
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Funny, that doesn't seem to happen in Brazil. Well, except on the rare occasions that street courses are used.
Remember that one Indycar track in São Paulo that used the Sambadrome as its main straight? People were livid over giving up half of an important road to it for a week or so. It made the daily traffic jams in the area even fucking worse. And to top it off, they realized most of the track's area was bumpy as hell, and the Sambadrome itself was ill-fit to receive speeding cars.

Obviously, that doesn't happen in the surroundings of the Interlagos track. And mind you, it's in the middle of the city, surrounded by working-class neighborhoods and even a favela. You guys must have heard several stories of team crew members getting mugged in the area. Almost every single time they race there, it happens. But damn, the track is so fun to race at, those situations end up as afterthoughts.
 
So, let's see how today shakes out. Track/weather is supposed to be cool and if it is, we still won't get a true representative normal conditions Q. It still looks quite tight between top 2, but I wonder what team is going to shine as best of the rest. AT looks nowhere at moment and I hope they turn that around today.

There are also two Indy races at Texas this weekend, so that is an added bonus. Speaking of Indycar, I watched the first 2 races and both were pretty good. I can't find a higher res shot of Pagenaud's car, but that has to be one of the most eye-catching liveries I have ever seen. I paused a vid from last weekend and took a cap of a great shot that shows how cool the livery is. Have a look at that gleaming!
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Yuuichirou Kumada said:
Obviously, that doesn't happen in the surroundings of the Interlagos track. And mind you, it's in the middle of the city, surrounded by working-class neighborhoods and even a favela. You guys must have heard several stories of team crew members getting mugged in the area. Almost every single time they race there, it happens. But damn, the track is so fun to race at, those situations end up as afterthoughts.
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I didn't know that Interlagos was in such a sketchy location. All I really know about it (other than it being in Sâo Paolo) is that Rubens Barichello's grandparents used to live right next to the circuit, and that's how he ended up becoming obsessed with motor racing.
 
737 MAX Stan Account said:
Good Lord, anyone catch the silence in the Mercedes garage after Bottas secured the pole?
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No kidding, they look like both their cars got stuck in a gravel pit in Q1.
Timestamped to see in full motion, check out Toto...

inb4 teamradio during formation lap: "Valtteri, it's James. Let Lewis pass, let Lewis pass."

I'm not a huge fan of Bottas and ever since Russel drove circles around him, I consider him a mid-tier driver in a stupidly overpowered car at best, but ffs Mercedes. You secured a double pole, at least pretend you give a shit about Bottas, this is disheartening. No driver deserves to get this much of obvious "inconsequential second fiddle" vibes.
I bet Hamilton is pretty salty, too. Bottas cockblocked his 100th pole.
 
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Oh for fuck sake can we please stop going on about Vestappen and Hamilton being the best ever and this being the greatest battle ever in the sport. Sky F1 currently comparing both to senna and how they're both so much like him.
 
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