Formula 1 Discussion - And favourite driver?

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The good:
Tsunoda did pretty well for a rookie. A lot of good driving from many drivers. Mick can't really compete with anyone in that lemon of a car, but at least he finished his race.

The bad:
Mazepin throwing his car into the barriers after driving like 500m of the race lol. Also Hamilton winning yet again. Max gave him a decent chase, but in the end it didn't work out.

The ugly:
Trying to tuck behind a car after being overtaken, completely ignoring that this means you can't brake for shit and then rear-ending Ocon was bad enough. But Vettel then bitching about Ocon supposedly switching lines is rather shameful.
 
I think rb not pitting right after Hamilton’s first pit was the big mistake. But then again, verstappen was a couple yards off the kerbs from overtaking him at the end.
And fantastic drive by Perez. He got from the pitlane start to fifth place was quite well done. Let’s see if he will become better acquainted with the car.
 
I think rb not pitting right after Hamilton’s first pit was the big mistake. But then again, verstappen was a couple yards off the kerbs from overtaking him at the end.
And fantastic drive by Perez. He got from the pitlane start to fifth place was quite well done. Let’s see if he will become better acquainted with the car.
Going 5th from a pitstop start that wasn't even his fault. Perez seems like the kind of backup driver that RB was looking for.
This season shapes up quite nicely so far.
 
I slept through the race (because time zones).

Disappointed but not surprised Hambone won. Pretty much confirms what everyone was thinking wrt M-B sandbagging big style in testing.

Really happy for Checo and Tsunoda. I can see them adding spice to the pointy end and midfield respectively.

LOL Mazespin.
 
I slept through the race (because time zones).

Disappointed but not surprised Hambone won. Pretty much confirms what everyone was thinking wrt M-B sandbagging big style in testing.

Really happy for Checo and Tsunoda. I can see them adding spice to the pointy end and midfield respectively.

LOL Mazespin.
Their pace was very good but it looks like RBR finally have a equal machine this year. Hamilton pretty much got his victory because Max got told to give Hamilton's lead back and Max moved off the racing line to do this.

Edit: Max also complained about problems on the differential so that also impacted his pace early on in the race.
 
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Disappointed but not surprised Hambone won. Pretty much confirms what everyone was thinking wrt M-B sandbagging big style in testing.
I mean as I said before, Rbs strategy may not have been the best but Verstappen did come all the way back and he and Hamilton were battling hard in the last few laps. Verstappen seemed destined to pass him at one point but he ran out of laps. It was the situation where the redbull seemed faster but with dirty air he didn’t have as much downforce so he couldn’t pass easily.
 
Something to keep in mind: one of Bottas' pitstops was utterly gimped, he lost 7-8 seconds when they couldn't remove the right front tyre, if that hadn't happened, he could have pressured Verstappen later on in the race. It looks promising now that RB might challenge Mercs, but I'm not yet getting my hopes up.
 
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Understandable, we all crave some excitement in F1.
Worst thing about Merc dominance is that we spent half the goddamned race watching Hamilton drive effortlessly in front of the pack while Verstappen creeps up on him by a fraction of a second lap after lap after lap after lap... while there's some amazing shit going on in the midfield with overtakes, counters, wheel to wheel racing at it's finest. And we're ramshackled to watching Hamilton driving mostly unchallenged and whining about his tyres.
 
Speaking of Hambone and effortlessness, I saw a great demonstration of this just a few hours ago on the latest episode of Enforcer and The Dude (Australian motorsport YT channel made by a couple of Bathurst 1000 winning touring car drivers, Russell Ingall and Paul Morris). Ingall showed Morris two in-car videos from Monaco back to back: Senna 1990 and Hamilton 2019. The difference is night and day. Note that you'll need to watch this on YT.


Hambone may be the most successful F1 driver of all time, but he'll never be the GOAT.
 

This camera gadget is the coolest fucking thing I have ever seen. If F1 wants to draw in people, hook up every driver with a cam like that. Just imagine the kind of amazing footage you'd get in a race like last weekend. Would also be fascinating to get a new angle on certain situations, be it overtakes, lapping someone or collisions.
Hell, I think it would even spice up boring races like Socchi, cause it makes even just driving around a corner look way more intense.
 
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pGkXArbW34s
This camera gadget is the coolest fucking thing I have ever seen. If F1 wants to draw in people, hook up every driver with a cam like that. Just imagine the kind of amazing footage you'd get in a race like last weekend. Would also be fascinating to get a new angle on certain situations, be it overtakes, lapping someone or collisions.
Hell, I think it would even spice up boring races like Socchi, cause it makes even just driving around a corner look way more intense.
I’ve seen that style of camera on a few f1 onboard videos over the last decade. I remember one being “top 10 Monaco on boards” or something.

edit: found some footage:
To be honest I prefer the mounted onboard camera because it's more stable, but this would be a great camera if it were a kind of 360-degree video with virtual-reality.
 
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This camera gadget is the coolest fucking thing I have ever seen. If F1 wants to draw in people, hook up every driver with a cam like that. Just imagine the kind of amazing footage you'd get in a race like last weekend. Would also be fascinating to get a new angle on certain situations, be it overtakes, lapping someone or collisions.
Hell, I think it would even spice up boring races like Socchi, cause it makes even just driving around a corner look way more intense.

I’ve seen that style of camera on a few f1 onboard videos over the last decade. I remember one being “top 10 Monaco on boards” or something.

edit: found some footage:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=eWQfiTCQewsTo be honest I prefer the mounted onboard camera because it's more stable, but this would be a great camera if it were a kind of 360-degree video with virtual-reality.
(I've quoted both of you two mostly just to ping you both)

Part of the issue of the issue with implementing this is that this camera will show the drivers' dashboard on the wheel, which can and (let's be honest) probably will give away something about how the car does what, and when it's a development formula even the Honda engine at its worst must have been doing something better than the rest and was likely controlled to do that through the wheel.

These cameras work in IndyCar because it's a spec car on all fronts - engine, chassis, aero wheel, etc. - to a point I'm pretty sure you can go and research exactly what you want to know about the car and you'll find it as fairly public information. Now yes, teams and drivers may wish to protect how they're using the tools, but they can't protect what the tools do like in F1.

Another obstruction to it in F1 which I imagine to be the case (I don't this it has been explicitly stated previously, but you'll probably believe me on this and agree) is the elitism about optimising weight at all times which is also impacted by the way in which scrutineering is constantly applied. Even if it is within a kilogram, maybe two, adding or removing it during the weekend will raise questions from the FIA - even if they know what it is - and will also impact performance how, and when, it is applicable.

You see it in IndyCar practice sessions because teams don't mind burning a lap or two whilst a driver acclimatises themselves with such an unacceptable increase in weight of a few pounds for a bit of cheap content which if it's the team producing it of their own accord can be handed over to IndyCar for broadcast on the provision of 'this in-helmet view of [long driver and sponsor list off] is brought to you by McDonalds', you see it during NASCAR races in all of their top three series because what the fuck is two pounds on the drivers' visor in the overall weight of that car - it's neglible and is an opportunity to sell sponsorship so the issues balance out.
To note, Formula 1 no longer has a culture of product placement, not that if very much did, in an aggressive enough sense that the sponsorship angle will ever hold water in F1 - it won't ever be like NASCAR, I think, when if you snap to a car the broadcasters are expected to recite the car's number title sponsor, the team, the car, and then the driver ('The number 22 Pennzoil Penske Ford Mustang of Joey Logano') the commentators aren't going to say 'And Stroll in his Cognizant Aston Martin passes Antonio Giovinazzi in his Alfa Romeo Racing ORLEN'.

You also see this camera in Formula E, which similar to IndyCar is largely spec - although there's a bit more development on the team's side there, so it's less common to be used - however I think I'm right in saying that FE is the only one of the open-wheel series which uses that in-eye/visor camera setup during the race.
 
To note, Formula 1 no longer has a culture of product placement, not that if very much did, in an aggressive enough sense that the sponsorship angle will ever hold water in F1
I wouldn't count on liberty media not going that way. They have sponsorship on the safety car thos season for the first time (beyond the "safety cars supplied by" advertising). I really hope it doesn't lead to more safety cars when a vsc would do like Brundel posited it would (and for some dumb reason said that its a good thing).

Its odd enough they're alternating the safety and medical cars between Aston Martin and Mercedes this year for the sake of those companies being able to advertise their cars. Something about using the safety and medical car for advertising already doesn't sit well (I mean I never thoight Merc gave them those cars for no reason but its now explicitly why they have 2 different manufacturers) adding sponsorship just pushes it over the edge.

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I wouldn't count on liberty media not going that way.
Oh no, absolutely, I expect that it will (I had phrased it a bit poorly in my post), but it's a constant through European racing when compared against the American way in which we just don't think of the sponsors that much whereas in America part of your job description is an ability to list of three different companies names every time you're being interviewed because that's what pays for the racing. It's a cultural difference that will have to be eroded away and replaced over time, it isn't just going to change overnight and I don't see it happening during my lifetime because it is so deeply entrenched with series focusing on manufacturer rather than privateer entries more often than not which means that the Ferrari's on track are the Ferrari's and sponsorship is just people paying for their logo to be seen on the Ferrari's.

They have sponsorship on the safety car thos season for the first time (beyond the "safety cars supplied by" advertising). I really hope it doesn't lead to more safety cars when a vsc would do like Brundel posited it would (and for some dumb reason said that its a good thing).
Being as my main thing the last couple of years has been NASCAR I can really see the racing benefit of a safety car being deployed if the procedure surrounding it is done properly - and within F1 as it stands I don't think it's possible. Let me explain, Lewis complaining the safety car needs to go faster, he's not wrong when you consider the equipment he's in, that SC is going as fast as possible and yet the super technology behind it is struggling to not stall. I think commercialising a safety car is a bad move anyway, it's there for the safety of the drivers and marshals, not the entertainment of the audience.
For sure, have primary series sponsors on there - put Heineken's don't drink and drive campaign on there because it makes sense in the context of it being a safety car, but I think it's ethically unsound to just put any old shit there because it makes money, the car in an ideal world shouldn't have to appear so to have any amount of money put on the cars appearance I think is a bad move.

Its odd enough they're alternating the safety and medical cars between Aston Martin and Mercedes this year for the sake of those companies being able to advertise their cars. Something about using the safety and medical car for advertising already doesn't sit well (I mean I never thoight Merc gave them those cars for no reason but its now explicitly why they have 2 different manufacturers) adding sponsorship just pushes it over the edge.
I'm sort of split on the point of having split duties for manufacturers when it comes to safety and medical car, on the one hand I don't care enough because I do have faith in the continuity of the people in those cars having their high standard both for themselves and within the FIA of what's expected in terms of performance and function (especially the MC on this one) and if both Aston and Merc produce cars capable of it then all power to them to bid to provide the car.
But is there not a case, no matter how insignificant it might be, that Bernd Maylander who has driven a Merc safety car, not the same model of car throughout I accept, exclusively since it became his full time job, there will be nuanced differences between a Merc and an Aston which surely may have an impact in some way on his performance - thereby possibly giving more weight behind Lewis' complaint, I can just imagine him complaining that the safety car is driving in a different manner week on week, which is the one thing through his complaints he never says.
The same must be said, and potentially more significantly, for Alan Van der Merwe who drives the medical car - if he is actually required to push that car, he needs to know it without reproach and swapping cars surely jeopardises that without reproach I've just characterised, and it extends to Dr Ian Roberts who is the medical part of that car, he needs to know exactly where everything is, how to get to it quickest, how to fully pack and unpack it on a moments notice when he arrives on the scene of an accident without reproach, because it is in theory always a bad one when they're on site.
 
...is there any hope for Ferrari this year?
In terms of a title? Hell no.
In terms of being better than their awful last season? They already are.

The car is significantly better and more powerful than last year's, both drivers are capable of taking advantage of its setup.
I wonder if they might have issues with long-time durability given that they shrunk down parts of the drive shaft (iirc) to make it lighter, that might become an issue where they have to change stuff more often and eat penalties for that, but if the car is reliable, they have a decent shot at fighting for a place amongst the top teams and podiums are not out of reach entirely.
 
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Well I think I sufficiently recovered from the letdown of Round 1 enough to post now. When Gasly's race was not going to produce a good result, that was big downer for me. And of course the end result sucked balls. But at least there were good signs of some tight competition all over the place, save for Haas and Williams, although they look better. Hopefully with the skewed development scale now in place, as the season goes on it will just get tighter.

I don't think we are going to have a cakewalk to the championships this year, will definitely be closer throughout unless Merc sorts out their issues. I liked what I was seeing during the race and as teams start getting more dialed in, the racing and competition is looking promising for future races.

As a side note, I don't see how they are going to be able to come to Canada. Both Ontario and Quebec are having high daily numbers of new Covid cases. I think Ontario is averaging over 2000 a day over the last week. By comparison, my province's avg over a week is maybe 3 or 4 cases per day. Its only 10 weeks away or so and I don't think things are going to be eased enough with the Covid shit to allow them to come, or they may not want to risk it. We shall see I guess.

Congrats to @Rod Dangerous who won the round and is current leader in the F1 Kiwi League.
 
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