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They most certainly had the top speed and acceleration comparable to modern F1 cars
They do? Frankly I was assuming that the cars used heavier components and maybe less optimized engines, but then again, they didn't have to haul around some clusterfuck hybrid engine and car batteries either, so maybe it all evens out.
 
They do? Frankly I was assuming that the cars used heavier components and maybe less optimized engines, but then again, they didn't have to haul around some clusterfuck hybrid engine and car batteries either, so maybe it all evens out.
F1 has been capable of doing 300+ KPH top speeds since the 1950's, acceleration in turn was mainly thanks to having very fat rear tires and those engines still made a shitload of horses especially when turbo'd. The main limit with acceleration was your ability to maintain rear traction and how fast you could shift up since they used manual boxes until the 90's.
 
F1 has been capable of doing 300+ KPH top speeds since the 1950's, acceleration in turn was mainly thanks to having very fat rear tires and those engines still made a shitload of horses especially when turbo'd. The main limit with acceleration was your ability to maintain rear traction and how fast you could shift up since they used manual boxes until the 90's.
That, quite frankly, makes watching this old footage even more disturbing, knowing how dangerous it is, not just to the drivers but pretty much everyone within 50 metres of the track.
 
Acceleration wise there has been a lot of evolution since "classic" F1.

Hunt's 1976 mclaren (3.0 L Cosworth V8 ) did 0-60 mph in approximately 3.5 seconds and had a maximum speed of 195 mph.

Schumacher's 2004 Ferrari (3.0 L V10) had a 0-60 mph time recorded at 2.2 s. The fastest speed recorded that season was 229.8 mph.

Then the various engine cylinder and capacity reductions began to bite, there was a small lift in acceleration but that has since neutralised out along with the top speeds not really changing.

The 2015 RBR is the fastest 0-60 mph time recorded in F1 at 1.7 s. The 2020 cars are all around 2.1-2.5 s. The highest recoded speed in 2020 was 223 mph by Bottas.
 
That, quite frankly, makes watching this old footage even more disturbing, knowing how dangerous it is, not just to the drivers but pretty much everyone within 50 metres of the track.


A good analogy I saw for 50's era motorsport was that of WW2 fighters. Young men sent to battle other nations in incredibly fast and technologically advanced machines, with the possibility of death or serious injury just part of the job.

Modern F1 cars might be utterly hideous compared to their 50's or 90's counterparts, but at least the chances of surviving a crash are now extremely high.
 
Some future ideas. More DRS type flappy bits, active suspension and 4 wheel drive/energy recovery. I get downforce=drag=more fuel burnt but this just seems to be flailing around trying to come up with anything they can sell as green rather than what will make racing more entertaining.

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Some future ideas. More DRS type flappy bits, active suspension and 4 wheel drive/energy recovery. I get downforce=drag=more fuel burnt but this just seems to be flailing around trying to come up with anything they can sell as green rather than what will make racing more entertaining.

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This seems like such a cludge.
They want some sustainability, so they slap some front-wheel energy recovery thingy in there, that opens the door for 4 wheel drive, but then they have to limit that to certain parts of the track, so they don't lose the "spectacle of rear-wheel driving" (whatever the fuck that is).

I like the idea of using special carbon-neutral fuel made of carbondioxide from the air, but everything else is just a hodgepodge to cobble together a car that is supposed to check a shitton of boxes of buzzwords, but hamstringing every single one, to avoid having this shit get too much effect. It's a fucking mess.

Here's a novel fucking idea: Get the carbon-neutral fuel, ditch that whole other shit, cause electromobility is kinda FE's rancid jam anyway, and make a good ruleset that allows cheaper participation in F1 so more teams can actually compete at the top and try to make aerodynamics allow close driving, so we get overtakes and shit.

If you want all these gimmicky shit, make a new grand prix series altogether. Maybe an open-wheel two-seater where one guy drives the car and the other acts as a board engineer that controls the aero-stuff etc., I dunno. Stop slapping shit on F1 hoping it'll appeal to wannabe Greta Thunspergs. It never will appeal to them and the biggest issue with F1 at the moment is the fucking DECADE of Mercedes domination.
 
Some future ideas. More DRS type flappy bits, active suspension and 4 wheel drive/energy recovery. I get downforce=drag=more fuel burnt but this just seems to be flailing around trying to come up with anything they can sell as green rather than what will make racing more entertaining.

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In 2025 we will be nostalgically looking back at the engine sound of the v6 turbo hybrid days. Synthetic fuels + higher reliance on electric power = formula E sound
 
In 2025 we will be nostalgically looking back at the engine sound of the v6 turbo hybrid days. Synthetic fuels + higher reliance on electric power = formula E sound
Well, if it turns out anything like this:
I wouldn't mind. Nothing will ever beat the engine sounds of the mid to late 90s for me, but that endurance car going from that electric wail to a thunderous roar is kind of cool and if F1 managed to use (for instance) electric engines for slow corners/holding speed while the combustion engine handles acceleration on straights and fast corners, that could have pretty decent engine sound, too.

The car in the video firing up its ICE almost sounds like an A-10 firing its giant cannon. I approve.
 
Some future ideas. More DRS type flappy bits, active suspension and 4 wheel drive/energy recovery. I get downforce=drag=more fuel burnt but this just seems to be flailing around trying to come up with anything they can sell as green rather than what will make racing more entertaining.

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On the one hand yay! Active suspension and other fun stuff might come back. On the other hand fuck is this going to make it expensive and scare off the vaunted entrance of VAG, unless they use stock parts like they did with kers. I also agree bodging the rules to say "look at us aren't we green" is stupid.
 
So tomorrow begins what could be a competitive season, or one that ends with Lewis having over 100 wins, 100 poles and 8 WDCs. Very much hoping for the former!

Made my final decisions for my 2 teams, see if practice makes me switch out anyone. Its kind of tricky knowing what the best combos are. They have them priced pretty good where you cant have say 4 high value picks because you don't have enough left to make your last 2 picks.

Below are two great articles about the Honda engine, very interesting and informative. Honda totally re-designed the engine, maybe they made a Merc beater? That would be wild if they did and end up leaving the sport after winning the title.

HOW HONDA MADE ITS 2021 F1 ENGINE ‘SMALLER THAN SIZE ZERO’​

Mar 19 2021
By Scott Mitchell

Honda’s 2021 Formula 1 engine is smaller than the “size zero” concept pursued in its McLaren days, and has been achieved by an extensive redesign.

The Japanese manufacturer had planned a raft of significant changes to its power unit for the 2022 season, but was prompted to bring the new engine forward to 2021 by the power advantage Mercedes had when the 2020 season began.

That has resulted in a smaller but more powerful combustion engine that, aligned with revised components to strengthen the energy recovery system, Honda believes has exceeded Mercedes’ 2020 power levels and can help Red Bull fight for the 2021 title.

Honda’s changes in order to achieve that step have been a closely-guarded secret until now.

It has made the layout of its camshaft significantly more compact and lowered it, in addition to changing the valve angle.

The purpose is to change the shape of the combustion chamber while also reducing the overall size of the engine, lowering the centre of gravity, and changing the airflow on the camshaft. Cylinder bore spacing has also been shortened to make it more compact.

Honda’s net result is increased power from the combustion engine but also a more compact overall design which gives Red Bull a more aggressive packaging option, hence an even more tapered rear end on the RB16B.

The pre-2017 ‘size zero’ engine philosophy sought chassis benefits from ultra-tight packaging and was abandoned for better performance overall.

As Honda’s engine has had a fundamentally changed architecture since following Mercedes’ lead in splitting the turbine and compressor from 2017, a like-for-like comparison is difficult.

However, Honda says its 2021 engine is even smaller overall, despite being considerably more powerful and reliable than those first attempts at a V6 turbo-hybrid engine – and, crucially, a significant step from its 2020 design.

“What we wanted to do is make it more compact, and also improve the combustion,” Honda’s F1 technical director Toyoharu Tanabe told The Race.

“To improve the combustion means you need a new cylinder head design. This gave us a lower and smaller cylinder head area.

“The feeling in Sakura is this year’s engine is smaller than ‘size zero’.
“It is a little bit difficult to compare between the two concepts. But the engine itself seems smaller than previously.”

Honda also believes it has found a way to get more power from the combustion engine without reducing the output of the MGU-H.

In theory, a more efficient combustion process could reduce exhaust gases or temperatures but Honda is confident it has been able to find another way to increase the amount of exhaust gas energy generated.

Honda’s MGU-H has not been revised to achieve that, but the turbine and compressor have been modified and some “other ideas” have been incorporated to try to offset the ERS deficit to Mercedes.

To improve the durability of the combustion engine, Honda has also started to use plating from its Kumamoto motorcycle mass production facility on the cylinder block.

These add up to extensive changes that Honda has only been confident enough to make as part of a major overhaul, having felt it reached the limit of its previous engine layout.

“We started to work with Red Bull from 2019 and, kind of the same as with Toro Rosso, we fit [the engine] into the Red Bull chassis,” said Tanabe.

“We modified some areas to improve the total car performance – not only the power unit, but also installation and compactness on the chassis side.

“For this year, a new power unit design means we could spend time to discuss with the team what they wanted, what we could do, what Honda could design.

“Of course, size zero is better. Smaller is better. But we need some space. We made the best package for the chassis and power unit for this year because of the new design.”
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HONDA’S ‘ALMOST MIRACULOUS’ NEW F1 ENGINE ACHIEVEMENT​

6 hours ago
By Scott Mitchell

Honda only started working on its new Formula 1 engine six months before it needed to be ready, prompting concerns it was not possible and resulting in an “almost miraculous technological achievement”.

The Japanese manufacturer will leave F1 at the end of the 2021 season, but its engine will carry on after Red Bull created a new powertrains company to lead a continuation project that Honda has agreed to.

Following the realisation its 2020 engine was not good enough to beat Mercedes and with the knowledge 2021 would be its last season, Honda opted to commit to an all-new engine structure it had initially postponed to 2022.

But Honda’s Sakura research and development boss Yasuaki Asaki told company president Takahiro Hachigo that a new engine was essential if Honda and its partner Red Bull were to mount a title challenge in the company’s final year in F1.

Hachigo accepted the request but by this point it was already late in the year. Honda’s withdrawal was only made public in early October.

Asaki told select media including The Race that Honda was “only really six months out from the first race” by the time he “gave the instruction for us to start work on the new structure power unit” – which was a significant departure from its existing design.

“I think the biggest concern on the Red Bull side was whether we’d be able to get it done in time,” Asaki said.

“But we explained that with the previous power unit we would not be able to beat Mercedes, and that we would need the new power unit to do that.

“There were some of our engineers who came to me directly and said ‘we will not be able to do the development required in the time that we have’.

“However, once everyone was informed of the news from President Hachigo that we would be leaving Formula 1, I think they understood the reason why I came to them and asked for us to get this new power unit ready in that time.

“I said to everyone that given that this is our last year, it’d be nice for us to be able to demonstrate what it is we’ve achieved as Honda engineers.

“And with that everyone’s expression changed instantly really, and everyone kind of got to work on doing what needed to be done.”

The rapid turnaround time was aided by Honda utilising expertise within the wider company that is usually applied to mass production vehicles and prototypes.

“Going by our usual production speed we would not have been able to secure the amount of units required to head into the first race,” Asaki revealed.

“But with the help of Honda we’ve had some input on production methods. We’ve been able to produce certain parts with three times the speed that we usually would and we were able to get the units required for the first race.”

The ambitious nature of Honda’s engine overhaul was at the heart of the concern.

As revealed by The Race, Honda has extensively revised its engine’s structure, altering the combustion chamber to produce more power while making the engine shorter, lowering its centre of gravity and shrinking it overall to a size smaller than its ill-fated size-zero concept from 2015.

The cylinder banking offset within the engine has also been reversed, with the right bank now forward and the left bank behind.

It is the first time Honda has gone as far as changing the structure of its engine although the challenges associated with its change of architecture, separating the turbine and compressor in 2017, were greater as Honda was still learning the technology and addressing more weaknesses.

Nonetheless, Asaki said he “acknowledged in some ways that it was an incredibly challenging target” to ready the 2021 engine in time, but was convinced Honda was obliged to throw everything at its final season.

He believes his engineering team have achieved a huge success in being able to “bring it to a point where in just six months we’ve taken it testing without any issues”.

“Changing the structure of the PU with only six months until testing and round one is an incredibly challenging thing to do,” he said.

“But thanks to the hard work that everyone put in together, we were able to get the development work done, we ran well in testing, and were able to get ready for round one.
“If everything goes well, we think that this will be able to contribute to the capabilities of Red Bull.

“And also it’s a sign of the almost miraculous technological achievement that we’ve been able to achieve.
“I think that within Honda our engineers will be able to tell the story of what it is that we have achieved.”

The reliability risk was Honda’s chief concern. Honda’s last two all-new engines – 2015 and 2017, both with McLaren – endured serious problems during pre-season testing.

Honda’s development window for the 2021 engine is “comparable in the short length of time that we had back then as well”, according to Asaki.

However, its experience with past difficulties and some single-cylinder testing helped Honda validate the reliability of its latest concept.

And while the focused development work has taken place in the last six months, some of the innovations of Honda’s new engine have roots stretching back further. Asaki said some departments at Sakura have been investigating the development limits of the old concept for “one or two years”.

In addition, any potential complication of bringing forward an engine that would run on 10% ethanol fuel in 2022 – with different combustion characteristics – has been avoided as Honda says its current fuel is not a major departure and the combustion engine will only require modest optimisations for next year.

Asaki thinks the outcome is that if Mercedes’ improvements are “within what we’ve assumed then to be then I believe we have the capability to compete with them” this year.

“We’ve had a number of different development objectives and we believe we have met those objectives,” said Asaki.

“We will have to see how much our competitors have improved and we head into round one with both feelings of excitement and anxiety.”
 
So tomorrow begins what could be a competitive season, or one that ends with Lewis having over 100 wins, 100 poles and 8 WDCs. Very much hoping for the former!

Made my final decisions for my 2 teams, see if practice makes me switch out anyone. Its kind of tricky knowing what the best combos are. They have them priced pretty good where you cant have say 4 high value picks because you don't have enough left to make your last 2 picks.

Below are two great articles about the Honda engine, very interesting and informative. Honda totally re-designed the engine, maybe they made a Merc beater? That would be wild if they did and end up leaving the sport after winning the title.

HOW HONDA MADE ITS 2021 F1 ENGINE ‘SMALLER THAN SIZE ZERO’​

Mar 19 2021
By Scott Mitchell

Honda’s 2021 Formula 1 engine is smaller than the “size zero” concept pursued in its McLaren days, and has been achieved by an extensive redesign.

The Japanese manufacturer had planned a raft of significant changes to its power unit for the 2022 season, but was prompted to bring the new engine forward to 2021 by the power advantage Mercedes had when the 2020 season began.

That has resulted in a smaller but more powerful combustion engine that, aligned with revised components to strengthen the energy recovery system, Honda believes has exceeded Mercedes’ 2020 power levels and can help Red Bull fight for the 2021 title.

Honda’s changes in order to achieve that step have been a closely-guarded secret until now.

It has made the layout of its camshaft significantly more compact and lowered it, in addition to changing the valve angle.

The purpose is to change the shape of the combustion chamber while also reducing the overall size of the engine, lowering the centre of gravity, and changing the airflow on the camshaft. Cylinder bore spacing has also been shortened to make it more compact.

Honda’s net result is increased power from the combustion engine but also a more compact overall design which gives Red Bull a more aggressive packaging option, hence an even more tapered rear end on the RB16B.

The pre-2017 ‘size zero’ engine philosophy sought chassis benefits from ultra-tight packaging and was abandoned for better performance overall.

As Honda’s engine has had a fundamentally changed architecture since following Mercedes’ lead in splitting the turbine and compressor from 2017, a like-for-like comparison is difficult.

However, Honda says its 2021 engine is even smaller overall, despite being considerably more powerful and reliable than those first attempts at a V6 turbo-hybrid engine – and, crucially, a significant step from its 2020 design.

“What we wanted to do is make it more compact, and also improve the combustion,” Honda’s F1 technical director Toyoharu Tanabe told The Race.

“To improve the combustion means you need a new cylinder head design. This gave us a lower and smaller cylinder head area.

“The feeling in Sakura is this year’s engine is smaller than ‘size zero’.
“It is a little bit difficult to compare between the two concepts. But the engine itself seems smaller than previously.”

Honda also believes it has found a way to get more power from the combustion engine without reducing the output of the MGU-H.

In theory, a more efficient combustion process could reduce exhaust gases or temperatures but Honda is confident it has been able to find another way to increase the amount of exhaust gas energy generated.

Honda’s MGU-H has not been revised to achieve that, but the turbine and compressor have been modified and some “other ideas” have been incorporated to try to offset the ERS deficit to Mercedes.

To improve the durability of the combustion engine, Honda has also started to use plating from its Kumamoto motorcycle mass production facility on the cylinder block.

These add up to extensive changes that Honda has only been confident enough to make as part of a major overhaul, having felt it reached the limit of its previous engine layout.

“We started to work with Red Bull from 2019 and, kind of the same as with Toro Rosso, we fit [the engine] into the Red Bull chassis,” said Tanabe.

“We modified some areas to improve the total car performance – not only the power unit, but also installation and compactness on the chassis side.

“For this year, a new power unit design means we could spend time to discuss with the team what they wanted, what we could do, what Honda could design.

“Of course, size zero is better. Smaller is better. But we need some space. We made the best package for the chassis and power unit for this year because of the new design.”
----------------------------------------

HONDA’S ‘ALMOST MIRACULOUS’ NEW F1 ENGINE ACHIEVEMENT​

6 hours ago
By Scott Mitchell

Honda only started working on its new Formula 1 engine six months before it needed to be ready, prompting concerns it was not possible and resulting in an “almost miraculous technological achievement”.

The Japanese manufacturer will leave F1 at the end of the 2021 season, but its engine will carry on after Red Bull created a new powertrains company to lead a continuation project that Honda has agreed to.

Following the realisation its 2020 engine was not good enough to beat Mercedes and with the knowledge 2021 would be its last season, Honda opted to commit to an all-new engine structure it had initially postponed to 2022.

But Honda’s Sakura research and development boss Yasuaki Asaki told company president Takahiro Hachigo that a new engine was essential if Honda and its partner Red Bull were to mount a title challenge in the company’s final year in F1.

Hachigo accepted the request but by this point it was already late in the year. Honda’s withdrawal was only made public in early October.

Asaki told select media including The Race that Honda was “only really six months out from the first race” by the time he “gave the instruction for us to start work on the new structure power unit” – which was a significant departure from its existing design.

“I think the biggest concern on the Red Bull side was whether we’d be able to get it done in time,” Asaki said.

“But we explained that with the previous power unit we would not be able to beat Mercedes, and that we would need the new power unit to do that.

“There were some of our engineers who came to me directly and said ‘we will not be able to do the development required in the time that we have’.

“However, once everyone was informed of the news from President Hachigo that we would be leaving Formula 1, I think they understood the reason why I came to them and asked for us to get this new power unit ready in that time.

“I said to everyone that given that this is our last year, it’d be nice for us to be able to demonstrate what it is we’ve achieved as Honda engineers.

“And with that everyone’s expression changed instantly really, and everyone kind of got to work on doing what needed to be done.”

The rapid turnaround time was aided by Honda utilising expertise within the wider company that is usually applied to mass production vehicles and prototypes.

“Going by our usual production speed we would not have been able to secure the amount of units required to head into the first race,” Asaki revealed.

“But with the help of Honda we’ve had some input on production methods. We’ve been able to produce certain parts with three times the speed that we usually would and we were able to get the units required for the first race.”

The ambitious nature of Honda’s engine overhaul was at the heart of the concern.

As revealed by The Race, Honda has extensively revised its engine’s structure, altering the combustion chamber to produce more power while making the engine shorter, lowering its centre of gravity and shrinking it overall to a size smaller than its ill-fated size-zero concept from 2015.

The cylinder banking offset within the engine has also been reversed, with the right bank now forward and the left bank behind.

It is the first time Honda has gone as far as changing the structure of its engine although the challenges associated with its change of architecture, separating the turbine and compressor in 2017, were greater as Honda was still learning the technology and addressing more weaknesses.

Nonetheless, Asaki said he “acknowledged in some ways that it was an incredibly challenging target” to ready the 2021 engine in time, but was convinced Honda was obliged to throw everything at its final season.

He believes his engineering team have achieved a huge success in being able to “bring it to a point where in just six months we’ve taken it testing without any issues”.

“Changing the structure of the PU with only six months until testing and round one is an incredibly challenging thing to do,” he said.

“But thanks to the hard work that everyone put in together, we were able to get the development work done, we ran well in testing, and were able to get ready for round one.
“If everything goes well, we think that this will be able to contribute to the capabilities of Red Bull.

“And also it’s a sign of the almost miraculous technological achievement that we’ve been able to achieve.
“I think that within Honda our engineers will be able to tell the story of what it is that we have achieved.”

The reliability risk was Honda’s chief concern. Honda’s last two all-new engines – 2015 and 2017, both with McLaren – endured serious problems during pre-season testing.

Honda’s development window for the 2021 engine is “comparable in the short length of time that we had back then as well”, according to Asaki.

However, its experience with past difficulties and some single-cylinder testing helped Honda validate the reliability of its latest concept.

And while the focused development work has taken place in the last six months, some of the innovations of Honda’s new engine have roots stretching back further. Asaki said some departments at Sakura have been investigating the development limits of the old concept for “one or two years”.

In addition, any potential complication of bringing forward an engine that would run on 10% ethanol fuel in 2022 – with different combustion characteristics – has been avoided as Honda says its current fuel is not a major departure and the combustion engine will only require modest optimisations for next year.

Asaki thinks the outcome is that if Mercedes’ improvements are “within what we’ve assumed then to be then I believe we have the capability to compete with them” this year.

“We’ve had a number of different development objectives and we believe we have met those objectives,” said Asaki.

“We will have to see how much our competitors have improved and we head into round one with both feelings of excitement and anxiety.”
Fuck I hate that I am getting my hopes up so much for a closer constructor fight and/or driver fight between Verstappen/Hamilton. but I guess that's what Formula 1 is all about. The story off the track matters just as much and you are doing a dis-service to only look at the on-track action in a bubble. That's why I love watching the free-practice sessions, because the commentators love to talk about all that sort of juicy drama.

I'm excited to see what teams you guys have when we get to the qualifying session btw.
 
Currently trying to get AceStream running, but it doesn't work. Pasted the Overtakefans ID into the player and after running through 24 streams, it says there are no peers available.
The streams on the website don't work either, what a bummer.
 
Seems that Tsunoda isn't half bad. Say what you want about Red Bull and AlphaTauri's policies, they have 4 really strong drivers in both teams.
And the Ferrari seems to be doing alright, too. Of course, that doesn't say much during Free Practice, but they aren't nearly as troubled as they were last season.
 
I wasn't able to watch a lot from the FP sessions but I'm curious, how do you think the Red Bulls will fare tomorrow?
 
I wasn't able to watch a lot from the FP sessions but I'm curious, how do you think the Red Bulls will fare tomorrow?
A bit early to tell, but Red Bull came off as pretty strong. I'd gladly watch Verstappen grab a title if that meant Hamilton got cockblocked.

Also, Sainz seems to be pretty strong competition to LeClerc, that might become an issue, if both their drivers insist on being #1.
 
I'm firmly on the side of the "2nd" drivers at the top two teams. I would much prefer a Bottas or Perez championship than a Hamilton or Vestappen one. Bottas for obvious reasons, Perez because Max has become less and less likable since he started (might be partially the Sky F1 effect).
 
I'm firmly on the side of the "2nd" drivers at the top two teams. I would much prefer a Bottas or Perez championship than a Hamilton or Vestappen one. Bottas for obvious reasons, Perez because Max has become less and less likable since he started (might be partially the Sky F1 effect).
Well, he started out as a dipshit, kinda got better and now he's really full of himself, that fish-faced Grachtenshitter.
I wouldn't mind Bottas growing a pair of balls and actually legitimately challenging Hamilton, but frankly, I just don't think he's got it in himself to even remotely do that. Ever since Russel drove circles around that guy, my opinion of his skills have gone down the shitter. He'd be just another rando on the second half of the grid if it wasn't for the be-all-end-all team that hired him.
Perez, on the other hand, now that's someone who I'd absolutely LOVE to see winning a title. Last season, his victory was such a great moment in F1, dude really deserves his place in the sun and I think he'd be so likeable about winning, it would be pure bliss watching him pull it off.
 
Currently trying to get AceStream running, but it doesn't work. Pasted the Overtakefans ID into the player and after running through 24 streams, it says there are no peers available.
The streams on the website don't work either, what a bummer.
Hey, that sucks. I had to work today and am just now about to watch the practices via torrents I downloaded. But, I just went to the Overtakefans site now, copied the AceStream and it is now replaying a practice session. So it works for me, maybe try again now? Yeah, I had problems with the live streams on the site too last year so have been using the AS to watch. Thank god they have that available. I will try and watch the webpage version tomorrow when P3 happens and see if they still don't work for me. But the AceStream does, so it should work for you. Hope it does. Check that Sportsurge link too. I have had success there before when the odd time couldn't get an AceStream working.

I don't know anything that happened yet and stopped reading at your post, so interested to come back and read/post after I see these practice sessions.
 
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