Formula 1 Discussion - And favourite driver?

[LiveFromNS]

No nigger win for 2nd year in a row! May that trend continue into 2024 and until the spook does us all a huge favour and fucks off forever.

My enthusiasm for F1, and racing in general this year, was quite low. I watched 2 or 3 Indy races, one or two F2&F3 races and that was about it. I didn't even watch many F1 races live. Hope come February I get back to some normalcy and interest returns.

Max kicked some solid ass this year and he is now 3rd all time with 54 career wins at 26 years old. He has a good chance to lead that stat by the time he is 30, if he sticks around (avg 12 or 13 wins for next 4 years). I do hope for a more competitive 2024 and he at least has to work a bit harder for his wins, but if we get same dynamic as this year, I want him to run the table for sure.

I am happy Merc got 2nd to be honest as that hurts them for next year as it gives Ferrari/McL/AM more hours on that sliding development scale. So, hopefully those 3 keep on an upward trajectory and Merc still keep fumbling the ball and fucking up the car design.

 

[Coccxys]

So the narrative I'm seeing that team LH have cooked up is he came 3rd in the WDC and Merc 2nd in the WCC but the car was only the 5th best car this year so it's his god like abilities shining through again.

 

[Things Once Remembered]

As it was happening it was a little tiring to see Max win every weekend (even if I was cheering for red bull to win literally all of them to make history), but in five or ten years time people are going to look back and talk about Max's 2023 the same way they talk about Schumacher's 2002. Complete and total domination, no other way to put it.

Here's to 2024 and a hard fight for the title.

 

[Mikoyan]

F1 was okay. Supercars finale was better.

 

[Pee Cola]

Supercars finale was better.

It's a pity that Shane van Gisbergen finished his Supercars career with a bit of a whimper, but he's obviously got his eyes firmly on NASCAR. He's one to look out for over the next couple of years.

Great result for Brodie Kostecki and Erebus winning the SC Drivers and Team Championships respectively.

 

[Mikoyan]

It's a pity that Shane van Gisbergen finished his Supercars career with a bit of a whimper, but he's obviously got his eyes firmly on NASCAR. He's one to look out for over the next couple of years.

Great result for Brodie Kostecki and Erebus winning the SC Drivers and Team Championships respectively.

Indeed. I was kind of happy seeing Brown not take that too hard. The incident wasn't his fault but I know I'd be sweating it it I wrecked a car from both my current and future team in one championship-deciding go.

 

[easy]

2024 is gonna be our year williamsisters.....

i actually believe this and albon is my fave

 

[Coccxys]

League results are in. Our top 10:

 

[Chernabog3000]

As it was happening it was a little tiring to see Max win every weekend (even if I was cheering for red bull to win literally all of them to make history), but in five or ten years time people are going to look back and talk about Max's 2023 the same way they talk about Schumacher's 2002. Complete and total domination, no other way to put it.

Here's to 2024 and a hard fight for the title.

Is it boring? Isn't it boring? Those are two very valid opinions to hold. The problem for me specifically is that "the car" shit.

No doubt this was one of the most if not the most impressive seasons in the history of F1, maybe even arguably sport in general. And of course that car helped. It was a great car. What still irks me after the dust is settled, is the amount of people, not even just exclusively cult44 fans, who downplay his achievements because of the car.

"Anyone could jump in there in win" Sure, I guess, but also, no?" I'd imagine quite a few of them could win a race or two or three in that car, a title even for certain. But to pretend like any of those other assholes were capable of winning 10 straight let alone another 7 in the same season is fucking laughable.

I've said it once before but each race and every other session practically as you go down the grid you find mistake after mistake after mistakes, often unforced. Outside of the singapore issues, and the binrussel incicent, the only bits of mistfortune max found himself in on his accord you can count on 1 hand, and he won those races. On the other hand you had a bunch of shitters you could count on binning it at least once a weekend, mostly unforced under 0 pressure. For real though. Obviously there's some decent drivers on the grid that deserve respect are a capable of winning in the rb19, but none of them were capable of doing what max did this year. They proved as much with their own performances in lesser cars. Even in the silly standings where they remove max, theres no one that comes close to his performance.

I think that's what's most intriguing to me and kept it exciting. Truly witnessing something more special than muh rocket ship. Only 1 dude could drive the shit the way he did and that was him.

Even that "he didn't have a teammate to challenge him" shit started to irk me cause these people never stop to think that maybe there just isn't a teammate who could beat him at this point in his career. He's just on another level compared to his peers period.

Verstappen truly an outlier. The redbull good no doubt and it certainly helped but they lying to themselves with that just the car shit..

 

[Road Work Ahead]

"Anyone could jump in there in win" Sure, I guess, but also, no?" I'd imagine quite a few of them could win a race or two or three in that car, a title even for certain. But to pretend like any of those other assholes were capable of winning 10 straight let alone another 7 in the same season is fucking laughable.

To put it in perspective, Max's average finish was 1.3... That's almost unfathomably good. I should check past seasons to see what the next highest average finish is.

 

[Pee Cola]

"Anyone could jump in there in win" Sure, I guess, but also, no?" I'd imagine quite a few of them could win a race or two or three in that car, a title even for certain. But to pretend like any of those other assholes were capable of winning 10 straight let alone another 7 in the same season is fucking laughable.

To put it in perspective, Max's average finish was 1.3... That's almost unfathomably good. I should check past seasons to see what the next highest average finish is.

The 2023 season was a freak occurrence. I don't recall ever seeing a season where both the championship-winning driver and the championship-winning car were so far ahead of the field.

If Hambone and Max had swapped cars in 2023, Max still would have won the WDC. May not as comprehensively, but just as convincingly.

 

[blablabla]

red bull has been on a roll since 2021 that season wasnt even close without hambone trying to kill max in silverstone, bottas chrashing into max, monza and the cheating engine that debuted in brazil.
fuck toto, hamilton and the entire mercedes operation

 

[Coccxys]

To put it in perspective these are drivers by total laps lead in their career




Max is the first ever driver to lead 1000 laps in a season. Just these 22 races would put him 20th in that table.

 

[Road Work Ahead]

I should check past seasons to see what the next highest average finish is.

So I checked every season since 1950. I only counted races that drivers actually finished, as I'm not so autistic to looking into ever retirement to see if it was the drivers fault or not. The first thing I noticed was just how reliable F1 cars have gotten. The average finish for every winner was 2.3. I tried to remove every result where a driver retired but retired so late in the race that they were still classified with a place.

The highest average finish was Alberto Ascari in 1952 with an average finish of 1. After not entering the Swiss Grand Prix and retiring from the Indy 500, he won all 6 remaining races.

The lowest average finish was Hamilton in 2008 with an average finish of 4.4.

Here's the full table, sorry for the formatting, but I'm retarded and can't figure out how to fix the column widths.

Year​	Driver​	Avg Position​
1952​	Ascari​	1.0​
1955​	Fangio​	1.2​
1992​	Mansell​	1.2​
1994​	Schumacher​	1.2​
1957​	Fangio​	1.3​
2023​	Verstappen​	1.3​
2002​	Schumacher​	1.4​
2014​	Hamilton​	1.4​
2022​	Verstappen​	1.4​
1960​	Brabham​	1.5​
1969​	Stewart​	1.5​
2001​	Schumacher​	1.5​
1954​	Fangio​	1.6​
2000​	Schumacher​	1.6​
2011​	Vettel​	1.6​
2013​	Vettel​	1.6​
1966​	Brabham​	1.7​
1984​	Lauda​	1.7​
2015​	Hamilton​	1.7​
1956​	Fangio​	1.8​
1964​	Surtees​	1.8​
1996​	D. Hill​	1.8​
1998​	Hakkinen​	1.9​
2006​	Alonso​	1.9​
2020​	Hamilton​	1.9​
2021​	Verstappen​	1.9​
1963​	Clark​	2.0​
1976​	Hunt​	2.0​
2018​	Hamilton​	2.0​
1985​	Prost​	2.1​
1999​	Hakkinen​	2.1​
2004​	Schumacher​	2.1​
1977​	Lauda​	2.2​
1989​	Prost​	2.2​
1997​	Villeneuve​	2.2​
2016​	N. Rosberg​	2.2​
1959​	Brabham​	2.3​
1965​	Clark​	2.3​
1967​	Hulme​	2.3​
1991​	Senna​	2.3​
1995​	Schumacher​	2.3​
1953​	Ascari​	2.4​
1958​	Hawthorn​	2.4​
1988​	Senna​	2.4​
2005​	Alonso​	2.4​
2019​	Hamilton​	2.4​
1980​	Jones​	2.5​
1986​	Prost​	2.5​
1972​	Fittipaldi​	2.6​
2007​	Raikkonen​	2.6​
1951​	Fangio​	2.7​
1971​	Stewart​	2.7​
2017​	Hamilton​	2.7​
1950​	Farina​	2.8​
1968​	G. Hill​	2.8​
1961​	P. Hill​	3.0​
1962​	G. Hill​	3.0​
1970​	Rindt​	3.0​
1987​	Piquet​	3.0​
1973​	Stewart​	3.1​
1993​	Prost​	3.1​
1983​	Piquet​	3.2​
1990​	Senna​	3.2​
1975​	Lauda​	3.3​
1979​	Scheckter​	3.3​
2012​	Vettel​	3.4​
1974​	Fittipaldi​	3.6​
1982​	K. Rosberg​	3.6​
2003​	Schumacher​	3.6​
2009​	Button​	3.6​
2010​	Vettel​	3.6​
1978​	Andretti​	3.8​
1981​	Piquet​	3.8​
2008​	Hamilton​	4.4​

 

[Not At All A Lizard]

The consistency is definitely astounding. The reliability of the modern F1 car is pretty incredible, I feel like there haven't even been that many engine-penalties given how long the season was. But part of that is also having a driver that can deal with a changing car and conditions as well as Max can. We've actually had quite a few chaotic race weekends this year, just from the sheer amount of wet/dry races, and the sprint weekends. Any other season, those are the weekends you expect someone else to come out on top, but Max thrives under that stuff.

Monaco was probably the only time where things got weird and he wasn't the quickest. Alonso was objectively quicker for a while in the wet which makes the strategy fumble from Aston Martin more painful, Fernando really could have won that race.

 

[JoseRaulChupacabra]

I have some lololol chat moments that I saved. Some may have been posted here before. Fuck, not even sure if they're all in this season.

I'M RACIST BUT THAT'S NOT WHY I DISLIKE LEWIS.

TURKEY > HAM.

S H A K I R A > YUKI TSUNODA.

The Catalunian Pianist was notably intense.

...and of course, everyone's favorite complaint:

 

[SargonF00t]

To put it in perspective these are drivers by total laps lead in their career

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Max is the first ever driver to lead 1000 laps in a season. Just these 22 races would put him 20th in that table.

Max might pass Vettel for 3rd in this metric next year.

 

[Coccxys]

Max vs 2 Checos

 

[Bassomatic]

Late to post but made it to Vegas for the race. Good times. Vegas kinda sucks tbh as a city and track.

One day I'll sell a kidney and do Monaco.

 

[New Fag]

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