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The FIA are getting super nit picky about grid boxes and penalty serving this season. Every year they seem to pick a couple of rules out of a hat that they're going to hammer everyone for when they've been lax on them before.

The race was overall meh. Even with Max coming through from 15th to 2nd it was just OK. The safety car really killed the whole thing and absolutely nothing happened from there on out.
 
The Grognard said:
Can't wait for Jeddah to be removed from the calendar. What an awful track.
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Don't forget the Saudis want a 2nd GP, probably busy working out how much blood money FOM want in return.

Alonso P3 reinstated

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The Stewards received a letter dated 19th March 2023 from Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team with a Petition for Review pursuant to Article 14.1.1 of the International Sporting Code (ISC) of this Stewards panel’s decision to impose a 10-second penalty to Car 14 for failing to serve the penalty properly.

In support of the Petition for Review, the Stewards were shown minutes of the latest SAC meeting and video evidence of 7 different instances where cars were touched by the jack while serving a similar penalty to the one imposed on Car 14 without being penalized. The clear submission by the Team was that the alleged representation of an agreement between the FIA and the teams that touching the car in any way, including with a jack, would constitute “working” on the car for the purposes of Article 54.4 (c) of the Sporting Regulations, was incorrect and therefore the basis of the Steward’s decision was wrong.

“In the light of the Petition, the Stewards had to decide if there was a “significant and relevant new element [that was] discovered which was unavailable to the parties seeking the review at the time of the decision concerned”. If there was such an element(s) then the Stewards would need to consider whether the decision needed to be modified in any way.

Having reviewed the video evidence presented and having heard from the Team representative of Aston Martin and the relevant members from the FIA, the Stewards determined that there did exist significant and relevant new evidence as required under Article 14.1.1 to trigger a review of the decision, in particular the video evidence and the verbal evidence from the Team and from the FIA. It was clear to us that the substratum of the original decision, namely the representation of there being an agreement, was called into question by the new evidence.

We therefore proceeded to hear the substance of the request for review. Having reviewed the new evidence, we concluded that there was no clear agreement, as was suggested to the Stewards previously, that could be relied upon to determine that parties had agreed that a jack touching a car would amount to working on the car, without more. In the circumstances, we considered that our original decision to impose a penalty on Car 14 needed to be reversed and we did so accordingly.
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Looks like Bottas is heading to Australia a bit early so he can have some fun with an old-timey V8 Supercar.

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Bottas to drive Bathurst 1000 winner in Adelaide​

By Daniel Herrero
Monday 20th March, 2023 - 8:47am
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Valtteri Bottas will drive the VF Commodore which won the 2016 Bathurst 1000 at the Adelaide Motorsport Festival, this coming weekend.

As confirmed earlier this month, Bottas will drive at the festival between the just-completed Formula 1 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix and the Australian round which takes place on the following weekend.

The Alfa Romeo Sauber pilot will initially take the wheel this Sunday of an Alfa Romeo GTV Group A in the Heritage Touring Cars category at 10:45, then the Commodore at 13:45.

That Supercar was driven to victory at Mount Panorama by Will Davison and Tekno Autosports owner Jonathon Webb, the latter of whom will also pilot the car in Adelaide.

Bottas will receive tutelage on the Commodore by Craig Lowndes, who will also partake in the Supercar demonstration in the South Australian capital.

The Triple Eight Race Engineering enduro driver will get behind the wheel of the ZB Commodore which team-mate Broc Feeney took to victory in last December’s Adelaide 500.

Feeney led the latter 55 laps that Sunday, but for one during a pit stop cycle, clinching his first victory in the Supercars Championship.

The Tekno Commodore, on the other hand, pulled off the remarkable feat of never officially leading a lap yet winning the Great Race of 2016.

Davison took the chequered flag almost 10 seconds behind Jamie Whincup but the latter had a 15-second time penalty hanging over his head for the contact with Scott McLaughlin which precipitated an even bigger clash between the latter’s Volvo and the Holden Racing Team’s Garth Tander.

Officially, it was also the closest competitive finish in Bathurst 1000 history, with the #19 Tekno entry completing 161 laps in a time 0.1434s quicker than the #97 Triple Eight VF Commodore of Shane van Gisbergen/Alexandre Premat.

Bottas was classified a lap down in 18th in the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix, incurring possible floor damage when he ran over debris on Lap 1.

The Adelaide Motorsport Festival takes place this Saturday and Sunday in the Victoria Park section of the street circuit with an array of vehicles including classic Formula 1 cars, V8 Supercars, Heritage Touring Cars, and more.
 
Thank fuck Aston Martin are exceeding expectations by so much.

Will be interesting to see if the extra wind tunnel time they get over Red Bull, makes a difference.
 
SargonF00t said:
Will be interesting to see if the extra wind tunnel time they get over Red Bull, makes a difference.
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I doubt they're catching that car without a technical change nerfing the red bull somehow. They both just drive into the distance following the safety car, that isn't pace you just find in a car.

Hopefully what it will do is have them pull further ahead of the merc. Vestappen and Alonso both beating hambone in the standings will send the lewlew fanboys insane.

I hope Alonso gets a win at some point then we can get rid of that retarded 300 GP stat and not have it be Hamilton like all the hambone morons were saying it would be.
 
I wonder what sorcery they put on the RB19.

It was seriously just wow watching the gap grow when Max got up to P2. Sure, Alonso also got away from the Mercs but nowhere near as much as the RBs got away from him.
 
It s funny seeing the british media trying to hype another TD to try to slow down the Red bull like the one Merc Passed last year.

Knowing the hatred of air that Newey had, any attempt at nerf the RB19 would slow down everyone but the Red bull .

Still pouring one out for the lad Binotto, Ferrari still useless.
De Vries dangerously close of being Neetherlands Brandon Hartley
You now remember Brandon Hartley
Vettee in the beehive
Alonso Alive
Riciardo Payed to laugh at the Marketing F1 Team.
Bottas Gifting a F1 career to the chinaman.
FIA constantly useless.
 
I finally managed to watch the Q and race late last night as I was away. I made small bet last week on Checo or Alonso to win so happy to get a payout on one of them. We need a few more Mexican wins to ensure we at least have a 2 car fight for the title.
JoseRaulChupacabra said:
It was seriously just wow watching the gap grow when Max got up to P2. Sure, Alonso also got away from the Mercs but nowhere near as much as the RBs got away from him.
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Also, some of you may know about the F1Visualized twitter account, some may not. But it is great and illustrates your comment above nicely.

 
blablabla said:
the thing to watch this season is the implosion of mercedes
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Agreed, It will be 3 years running for King Spook to go without the title, probably 2nd year in a row without a win (if he does win, will be a fluke where top teams have probs or retire) and most likely outscored again by his teammate is a def possibility.

And then there is the corp/mgmt shitstorm that must surely be happening behind the scenes now that Merc are a bunch of losers and a multi champion car manufacturer is now being beaten by a soda can company. Can't be good times and you have to love watching it.

If George is smart he will just keep his head down, keep his mouth shut up and, with luck, nappy head will fuck off to Hollywood at the end of the year and GR can build up the team again ala Schumi/Fer and hope for potential glory/domination in a few years. Either that or start looking at other options (there isn't any other than RB, and maybe AM now if their rise continues) and both those options are highly unlikely for him to get slotted in as he would need to boot one of the 6 drivers in the 2 teams out of the way to take a seat.

George needs a stellar season in the shitbox he is driving this year to stand out more for there to be even a possibility of such a scenario happening. Alonso is probably going to drive to 45 at least now as he must smell potential wins again! And Stroll will be at the team until he is 40 or finally kills himself or another driver (I still say the fuck needs glasses) and Drugo is in the wings too.

RB of course is out unless Sergio tanks it, Ric gives up or comes back and tanks it, or all the RB Jrs do shit in the lower series. So GR is stuck at Merc from what I can see so he needs to just wait out the implosion/fallout and for Ham to fuck off and hope it all comes good in '25 or '26.
 
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blablabla said:
there is no way in hell ricciardo drives for the main rbr team ever again
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Except in the simulator or in show run . ( Or F1 23 on his PS5)


De vries Victory in FE is one of the most overrated acclaim in Motorsport history.

Don t forget that the year he won the things is the finale year of the tank qualification format where performing well is punish with a midspot start next race because the qualification group are made with the 1st in championship opening the track and the last getting optimum track condition . Combining this with a tight field mean the championship was the equivalent of a Talladega race as a Nascar season decider.

He got murdered by VanDoorne once consistency and skill was the main focus.
 
LiveFromNS said:
And then there is the corp/mgmt shitstorm that must surely be happening behind the scenes now that Merc are a bunch of losers and a multi champion car manufacturer is now being beaten by a soda can company. Can't be good times and you have to love watching it.
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The team is owned by Toto, Merc and Ineos as equal 1/3 partners. It would take some major ratfucking for them to dislodge Toto.

They are delivering theor new concept car and upgrades in Imola and Toto is talking up how this is totally going to propell them to the front and competing with RBR. If those grandiose promises fall through (very likely) then we will see some major fallout.

It will also be interesting to see the knock on effect of paying to develop 2 cars in 1 season under the cost cap. Are they going to have to stop developing after the summer break? Are they going to keep going and gimp next year's car even harder by wasting it all on this ones? Are we going to get Toto eating crow after all the shit he threw at redbull over buying one tooany sandwiches?
 
Coccxys said:
The team is owned by Toto, Merc and Ineos as equal 1/3 partners. It would take some major ratfucking for them to dislodge Toto.

They are delivering theor new concept car and upgrades in Imola and Toto is talking up how this is totally going to propell them to the front and competing with RBR. If those grandiose promises fall through (very likely) then we will see some major fallout.

It will also be interesting to see the knock on effect of paying to develop 2 cars in 1 season under the cost cap. Are they going to have to stop developing after the summer break? Are they going to keep going and gimp next year's car even harder by wasting it all on this ones? Are we going to get Toto eating crow after all the shit he threw at redbull over buying one tooany sandwiches?
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Somehow I keep forgetting that Wolff isn't really there on merit.
 
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