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From /sp/, redditors are quite upset with Perez.
 
Becky McDonald said:
This.

I hate to keep slagging him off as it makes me sound obsessed, but I really don't see what pundits and redditors alike see in the dude. He scored a point in his first race, big wow since the Alfa was easily the 4th-best car for the first 5 or so rounds of the season, just slightly slower than the Mercs. Then he didn't score a single point until Canada, which he got thanks to Alonso's penalty over his own merit. I'd feel for those who think he's had "bad luck" if he had at least 6 - 7 retirements this season, but the fact of the matter is he hasn't. He's just underperformed, even in the races he DNF'd from. Bottas has shown what the Alfa is capable of, and regardless of what pro-Hamilton revisionists say, he is hardly the greatest man to ever sit behind the wheel of an F1 car. He's Massa/Webber-tier at best.

If Zhou was in the Haas, it's doubtful he'd have scored a single point this year. The Alfa has done a good job at preventing him from being outright exposed, even as he sits below Mick in the WDC. I will remain indignated over this issue until the latter gets a seat next year, and if he doesn't, I will stay that way until everyone else sees things the way I do and he's sent packing to the land of TikTok and social credit.
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I think it's people being surprised he wasn't a Mazespin-level hazard on the track, causing people to massively overrate him, plus technical issues occurring when he has a good run.
 
Pee Cola said:
Maybe it'd make more sense for Williams to pick up Drugovich (assuming he's 2022 F2 champion) than de Vries.

I know de Vries is connected to Mercedes and his name keeps coming up as potential F1 material, but he's probably a bit too old to debut on the F1 grid now. Yeah, I know 27 isn't that old... but we're in an era where most rookies get their first real F1 drive (i.e. not a test driver or reserve) in their early 20s.

de Vries being a two-time FE champion is more of a curse than blessing as well.
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de Vries' time for an F1 move came and went IMHO. Second he won F2 in 2019 after his McLaren Drivers' Academy contract expired, he should have been on the phone to Haas, Williams, Alfa etc. for a drive in 2020 at the latest, because ideally he should have debuted a couple years before then.
I'm well aware 27 was a normal-ish rookie age up until the early 2000s, but since the Vettel/Hamilton generation you need to have won a handful of races by that point.

Realistically, what team would take him in at this point?

Merc? Certainly not. They'd have considered him as Bottas' replacement but then Russell showed promise, they gave him a test in the W11, and he'll easily be at the team for the next 5 - 10 years unless he wants to try his hand at something else.

RB, Ferrari and AT are completely off-limits.

McLaren? Faintest chance before Piastri's signing. Now, no way. Lando and Oscar will probably also be the team's line-up for the next 5 or so years until either one moves.

AM? Nope, Alonso's got that seat now unless someone/something cripples Stroll. Williams? Probably scouting for a reliable, established name.
 
Mikoyan said:
This exactly. The other recent pay drivers have lowered everyone's expectations.
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Just to really let this sink in: Lance Stroll is the best pay driver of the more recent past.
Not hating on the guy, he might not be stellar, but he's a solid driver most of the time with only very occasional brainfarts.
 
I've recently gotten into F1 thanks to a friend, but it's a lot to take in when just starting. Does anyone know any good youtube channels that break down or cover the races? I've found Peter Windsor's channel, which is pretty good but kinda dry sometimes.
 
Lemurakk said:
I've recently gotten into F1 thanks to a friend, but it's a lot to take in when just starting. Does anyone know any good youtube channels that break down or cover the races? I've found Peter Windsor's channel, which is pretty good but kinda dry sometimes.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Vw8F-hCrdaA
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I hate to be a corpo shill, but F1TV is like $3 a month if you forgo live viewing and it's chock full of short documentaries and breakdowns of current and past races
 
Mikoyan said:
This exactly. The other recent pay drivers have lowered everyone's expectations.
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The problem is, there just haven't been that many.

Of the past few years, I can only name Stroll, Latifi, Mazepin, and if you count Zhou as well, and those are all from the past couple seasons. Back in the '90s, half the grid were pay-drivers. Even Michael Fucking Schumacher was a pay-driver upon his debut.

But the key difference between the pay drivers of old and the current crop is that they can actually drive. And yes, this includes Mazepin. Put him in a midfield '90s team like Sauber or Jordan and he'll probably give his team-mate a good run for his money. Alex Yoong, who is probably one of the worst drivers ever to participate in F1 (0 points, just 6 finishes in 18 starts including 3 DNQs in 2002) wouldn't have even made it to the Test Driver slot he was that bad.
 
A.P. Hill said:
I think it's people being surprised he wasn't a Mazespin-level hazard on the track, causing people to massively overrate him, plus technical issues occurring when he has a good run.
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Then there was that save in Monaco. Possibly more ass than class, but impressive nonetheless.
Becky McDonald said:
Williams? Probably scouting for a reliable, established name.
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On that basis, Ricciardo sounds like Williams' number one pick. I'd still prefer to see him with Haas though.

Ignoring my own feelings for a moment, I get why teams generally prefer a mix of age and experience as opposed to two rookies or two has-beens. Ricciardo to Williams and the 2022 F2 Champion to Haas (most likely Drugovich) makes sense on paper. Yeah I know Albon isn't exactly a rookie, but he's still kinda green and probably not ready to mentor a driver fresh from F2.
RomanesEuntDomus said:
Just to really let this sink in: Lance Stroll is the best pay driver of the more recent past.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Checo start out as a pay driver? IIRC he only really lost his pay driver status when he joined RBR.
 
Pee Cola said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Checo start out as a pay driver? IIRC he only really lost his pay driver status when he joined RBR.
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Checo had a lucrative beverage sponsor that he had to drop (I think), cause it would have clashed with Red Bull's brand... but to me there is a bit of a distinction between a driver that has a powerful sponsor and one that is driving on daddy's dime. Someone who has a brand behind himself at least did something to warrant that kind of attention, while someone like Mazepin just pulls an Eric Cartman until his daddy buys him a cockpit.
 
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RomanesEuntDomus said:
Checo had a lucrative beverage sponsor that he had to drop (I think), cause it would have clashed with Red Bull's brand... but to me there is a bit of a distinction between a driver that has a powerful sponsor and one that is driving on daddy's dime. Someone who has a brand behind himself at least did something to warrant that kind of attention, while someone like Mazepin just pulls an Eric Cartman until his daddy buys him a cockpit.
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That reminds me, semi-related to your question...
During their near-sponsorless days (since Merc jacked most of their sponsorship in 2010) the Perez-era Saubers had a ";P" emoji on the nose that was visible during on-board shots. I've been dying to know what that was about for over a decade, since Google ignores the ";" part and I can't find anything talking about it.
 
will we survive the rest of the weekend? WHO KNOWS i just want to talk about cars and people who drive them
 
One of the more insightful replies to why DNF's happened to Alfa Romeo this year.

Alfa Romeo Racing Team Principal Frederic Vasseur (FV)

FV: Unlucky, I don't know. We had DNFs but the DNF has nothing to do with luck or bad luck and sometimes it's a technical issue, sometimes it was an engine issue, sometimes it was Latifi, but it is like it is. It's nothing to do with bad luck.
 
RomanesEuntDomus said:
Checo had a lucrative beverage sponsor that he had to drop (I think), cause it would have clashed with Red Bull's brand... but to me there is a bit of a distinction between a driver that has a powerful sponsor and one that is driving on daddy's dime. Someone who has a brand behind himself at least did something to warrant that kind of attention, while someone like Mazepin just pulls an Eric Cartman until his daddy buys him a cockpit.
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I thought he had (still has?) the backing of the telecom giant in MX? Cant recall the name of co. And was it Carlos Slim or something like that who owned it?

But yeah, Checo was what I would call a pay driver as he had huge backing when he first came into F1.

I am pretty sure but not 100% on the above.
 
LiveFromNS said:
I thought he had (still has?) the backing of the telecom giant in MX? Cant recall the name of co. And was it Carlos Slim or something like that who owned it?

But yeah, Checo was what I would call a pay driver as he had huge backing when he first came into F1.

I am pretty sure but not 100% on the above.
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America Movil, and yeah, Carlos Slim.
 
Becky McDonald said:
That reminds me, semi-related to your question...
During their near-sponsorless days (since Merc jacked most of their sponsorship in 2010) the Perez-era Saubers had a ";P" emoji on the nose that was visible during on-board shots. I've been dying to know what that was about for over a decade, since Google ignores the ";" part and I can't find anything talking about it.
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Can you find/show a pic? It may refresh my memory as to what it was if I see it again.

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