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Reminds me of an anecdote I read in a book called Rush To Glory about James Hunt and Niki Lauda's rivalry. From the 1976 Japanese Grand Prix:
Lauda remembered: “We all refused to drive in the prevailing conditions. We sat in the race officials’ trailer and told him ‘no go.’ At that point the organizers had decided there would be no race. But they were being stalled from making an announcement by Bernie Ecclestone and others.”

At four o’clock in Fuji, it started to get really dark. Ecclestone told them, “The race must start.”

Caldwell had noticed Lauda’s demeanor and guessed there might be a problem with his eyes in the wet. He knew it was now or never, and if the race was canceled or abandoned, then McLaren might lose the title race by default. Caldwell literally grabbed Hunt by his overall lapels and told him that if the race was on, he would drive. A shocked Hunt agreed. Lauda was now in a difficult position, saying, “It was barely credible as it was now raining harder than ever.”

The race should have started an hour and a half earlier, and in another two or three hours, the Mount Fuji circuit would be in darkness. Finally a decision was made and announced over the loudspeakers; the Japanese Grand Prix would begin in five minutes. Vittorio Brambilla led the drivers out to their cars.

But James Hunt was missing. And at the precise moment the start was confirmed, he was elsewhere according to Patrick Head, then technical director of the Walter Wolf racing team. Head had accidentally walked into a pit garage that was empty—but not quite empty. He was surprised to find Hunt inside, with his racing overalls down around his ankles and a young Japanese girl kneeling in front of him with his penis in her mouth. Hunt laughed when he saw him, but Head hemmed and hawed and quickly left in a daze, not quite believing what he had seen. He was clearly disturbed by having witnessed such antics from a leading participant so near to the start of an important race. When Head recounted the story at dinner later in Tokyo, he found that no one was shocked at the story and said they had seen him do far worse before a race.

Meanwhile it's difficult to imagine Hamilton ever be found mid-coitus with a woman at all, especially not before the championship-deciding race.
 
Reminds me of an anecdote I read in a book called Rush To Glory about James Hunt and Niki Lauda's rivalry. From the 1976 Japanese Grand Prix:
Lauda remembered: “We all refused to drive in the prevailing conditions. We sat in the race officials’ trailer and told him ‘no go.’ At that point the organizers had decided there would be no race. But they were being stalled from making an announcement by Bernie Ecclestone and others.”

At four o’clock in Fuji, it started to get really dark. Ecclestone told them, “The race must start.”

Caldwell had noticed Lauda’s demeanor and guessed there might be a problem with his eyes in the wet. He knew it was now or never, and if the race was canceled or abandoned, then McLaren might lose the title race by default. Caldwell literally grabbed Hunt by his overall lapels and told him that if the race was on, he would drive. A shocked Hunt agreed. Lauda was now in a difficult position, saying, “It was barely credible as it was now raining harder than ever.”

The race should have started an hour and a half earlier, and in another two or three hours, the Mount Fuji circuit would be in darkness. Finally a decision was made and announced over the loudspeakers; the Japanese Grand Prix would begin in five minutes. Vittorio Brambilla led the drivers out to their cars.

But James Hunt was missing. And at the precise moment the start was confirmed, he was elsewhere according to Patrick Head, then technical director of the Walter Wolf racing team. Head had accidentally walked into a pit garage that was empty—but not quite empty. He was surprised to find Hunt inside, with his racing overalls down around his ankles and a young Japanese girl kneeling in front of him with his penis in her mouth. Hunt laughed when he saw him, but Head hemmed and hawed and quickly left in a daze, not quite believing what he had seen. He was clearly disturbed by having witnessed such antics from a leading participant so near to the start of an important race. When Head recounted the story at dinner later in Tokyo, he found that no one was shocked at the story and said they had seen him do far worse before a race.

Meanwhile it's difficult to imagine Hamilton ever be found mid-coitus with a woman at all, especially not before the championship-deciding race.
If Lewis ever ended up having sex with a girl, no one would be more surprised than Lewis himself.
 

Delays and mismanagement drove Piastri out of Alpine​

By Mat Coch
Saturday 3rd September, 2022 - 8:00am
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Missed deadlines and contract mismanagement from Alpine look to have cost the squad the services of Oscar Piastri and left it liable for a hefty legal bill.

Alpine disputed a contract lodged with the Contract Recognition Board by McLaren over Piastri’s services for 2023.

A meeting of the independent body, which consists of four layers external to Formula 1, was held on Monday, and carried on into Tuesday, to hear the matter.

Its findings were delivered on Friday via a short statement confirming McLaren has a valid deal in place for 2023 and 2024.

Indeed, Alpine never held a signed document for a race seat in 2023, according to a report by RacingNews365.com.

It’s understood an agreement was in place for Piastri’s 2022 reserve driver duties, and a separate contract covered the potential for a 2023 race seat.

A ‘Terms Sheet’ document dated November last year was considered by Alpine as a valid contract with regards to 2023 and 2024.

That was not the case, the CRB found, and was instead meant to be the starting point for negotiations.

A formal contract was due to follow that original document before the end of November 2021 but never did.

It was the first in a number of missed deadlines as Mark Webber, Piastri’s manager, continued chasing Alpine and pushing for progress.

Only in March was a reserve driver agreement was sent to the Melburnian’s management team.

A race seat contract was set to follow, but did not. Instead, the reserve driver paperwork got sent to the CRB, and made no mention of an extension beyond the end of 2022.

This was said to be an “emergency measure” as time was short before the Formula 1 season started.

With only a reserve driver agreement in place, however, Piastri could not be given a superlicence.

To overcome that obstacle, the Terms Sheet from November had “legally binding Heads of Terms” added, which was not present on the copy originally received by Piastri.

In May, Alpine laid out its plan for the 21-year-old, which is understood to have been a four-year deal; the first to be served at Williams with the potential for a second with the Grove squad, beyond which he’d return to Enstone.

Already frustrated by the delays, the proposal was not acceptable for Piastri, with his management team beginning to look for new options shortly after the Spanish Grand Prix.

That resulted in discussions opening with McLaren.

It’s understood the first agreement between the Australian and Woking squad was signed on June 3, the Friday following the Monaco Grand Prix.

That included a condition that there were no others holding rights over Piastri’s services.

A month later, on July 4, McLaren and Piastri inked the formal contract which will see him employed by McLaren from January 1, 2023 until December 31, 2024.

He remains an Alpine employee until December 31 this year.

Alpine has remained largely silent on the matter aside from a brief statement acknowledging the outcome of the CRB stating that, in its opinion, the matter was now closed.

In doing so it has therefore also accepted liability for more than AUD 912,000 worth of legal fees associated with the dispute.

That includes nearly AUD 390,000 in costs to McLaren and more than AUD 200,000 for Piastri.

As if the loss of its rising star and costs associated with the CRB process weren’t enough, Alpine now looks set to shell out for the release of Pierre Gasly from his contract with Red Bull.

The Frenchman is the front-runner to land the drive refused by Piastri, with a release from his current deal with Red Bull understood to have been agreed.

Alpine Team Principal, Otmar Szafnauer, is scheduled to face the media on Saturday morning in Zandvoort.

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The most interesting part about this article is the last 3 sentences. It's well known that Ocon and Gasly don't get along at all. Given the level of retardation Alpine (and Otmar in particular) has shown in their handling of Piastri and his (lack of) contract, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Gasly ends up replacing Alonso at Alpine despite the fact it'd create an especially toxic environment for the team.
 

Piastri’s impact on the F1 driver market​

By Mat Coch
Saturday 3rd September, 2022 - 3:00pm
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Confirmation that Oscar Piastri will drive for McLaren for at least the next two seasons has further settled the Formula 1 driver market.

Only three seats are realistically unaccounted for on the 2023 grid in a comparatively settled market.

Alpine, Haas, and Williams are all yet to confirm their driver pairings beyond the end of the current season.

Scuderia AlphaTauri is arguably in the same position with Yuki Tsunoda yet to be renewed, though he is expected to remain.

The same cannot be said of Pierre Gasly, who is widely tipped to leave the Faenza operation despite holding a valid contract for 2023.

In a move somewhat reminiscent of Carlos Sainz’s switch from Toro Rosso to Renault, Gasly is predicted to move from Scuderia AlphaTauri to Alpine.

That will see him slot in alongside countryman Esteban Ocon in arguably the most desirable seat left on the market.

His place at Scuderia AlphaTauri is set to be filled by Mick Schumacher.

Doubts linger over the German’s future within the Ferrari Driver Academy and he has avoided questions relating to his future.

Schumacher has also been linked with a move to Alpine though such a switch would not account for Red Bull’s willingness to release Gasly.

Daniel Ricciardo would then be favourite for the drive at Haas vacated by Schumacher.

The American-registered operation has close links with Ferrari but there is no obligation to field one of its drivers, despite having done that with Schumacher for the past two seasons.

Williams would therefore complete the puzzle.

While Alex Albon is locked in his team-mate, Nicholas Latifi, faces an uncertain future.

The Canadian was set to be replaced by Piastri on a loan deal from Alpine before the Australian took his fate into his own hands and signed for McLaren.

There is an appetite for change there and Ricciardo would be a major coup for the operation if the 33-year-old is interested in a ‘project’ team.

Nyck de Vries is the other likely candidate, and the most realistic choice given both his ties to Mercedes and the technical partnership Williams has with the three-pointed star.

With Piastri’s future now set, Gasly appears to be the key player in the driver market and where he moves will likely see several other drives drop into place.

Exactly where Ricciardo ends up is uncertain.

A good fit at Alpine, he seems to be out of contention for that drive, leaving only Haas or Williams to choose from – or a year on the sidelines, which he’s certainly not ruled out.

For the moment he’s in no rush to, preferring to get beyond the current triple-header and divorce emotion from his decision-making process.

2023 F1 driver contracts
Team
Driver 1
Driver 2
Mercedes​
Ferrari​
Red Bull​
McLaren​
Alpine​
Pierre Gasly
Mick Schumacher
Daniel Ricciardo
Aston Martin​
Lance Stroll​
AlphaTauri​
Pierre Gasly (2023)
Mick Schumacher
Yuki Tsunoda
Alfa Romeo​
Guanyu Zhou
Haas​
Mick Schumacher
Daniel Ricciardo
Williams​
Nicholas Latifi
Nyck de Vries
Logan Sargeant
Daniel Ricciardo
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What do you reckon, boys? Gasly to Alpine, Mick to AT, Danny Ric to Haas and de Vries to Williams? Zhou and Tsunoda staying put (though it's not really a surprise about those last two).

I'd love to see Ricciardo at Haas, as I reckon he'd do better racing in a team where the expectations are a bit lower and it seems like he'd get along well with KMag. Who knows, maybe he'd get more points in a 2023 Haas than he can in a 2022 McLaren.
 
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My bet is Zhou staying simply because Chinese sponsors have a lot more money than whoever's backing Pourchaire.
This.

I hate to keep slagging him off as it makes me sound obsessed, but I really don't see what pundits and redditors alike see in the dude. He scored a point in his first race, big wow since the Alfa was easily the 4th-best car for the first 5 or so rounds of the season, just slightly slower than the Mercs. Then he didn't score a single point until Canada, which he got thanks to Alonso's penalty over his own merit. I'd feel for those who think he's had "bad luck" if he had at least 6 - 7 retirements this season, but the fact of the matter is he hasn't. He's just underperformed, even in the races he DNF'd from. Bottas has shown what the Alfa is capable of, and regardless of what pro-Hamilton revisionists say, he is hardly the greatest man to ever sit behind the wheel of an F1 car. He's Massa/Webber-tier at best.

If Zhou was in the Haas, it's doubtful he'd have scored a single point this year. The Alfa has done a good job at preventing him from being outright exposed, even as he sits below Mick in the WDC. I will remain indignated over this issue until the latter gets a seat next year, and if he doesn't, I will stay that way until everyone else sees things the way I do and he's sent packing to the land of TikTok and social credit.
 
Alonso's move to AM sure brought some movement to the market. Mick in an AT does sound neat. If he ends up driving for RB with Vettel as a close friend and mentor, that doesn't sound too bad tbh. Mick is a Ferrari driver atm, but unless that team gets its shit together, I doubt he's got a bright future there.

Here's a wild idea: Mick wins a title or two in RB, goes to Ferrari and builds up that team like his father did. Would bring a sole manly tear to my eyes.
 
Interesting developments with the McLaren Riccardo saga. They did my boy dirty.
RiccardoMcLaren.jpg
 
Now in regards to new drivers, I find it rather odd that Felipe Drugovich is likely to win the F2 title but seats are still far from his ass. There is demand to see the next great Brazilian emerge after Massa left and the rest have been mild to moderate disappointments.
 
Now in regards to new drivers, I find it rather odd that Felipe Drugovich is likely to win the F2 title but seats are still far from his ass. There is demand to see the next great Brazilian emerge after Massa left and the rest have been mild to moderate disappointments.
Maybe it'd make more sense for Williams to pick up Drugovich (assuming he's 2022 F2 champion) than de Vries.

I know de Vries is connected to Mercedes and his name keeps coming up as potential F1 material, but he's probably a bit too old to debut on the F1 grid now. Yeah, I know 27 isn't that old... but we're in an era where most rookies get their first real F1 drive (i.e. not a test driver or reserve) in their early 20s.

de Vries being a two-time FE champion is more of a curse than blessing as well.
 
Maybe it'd make more sense for Williams to pick up Drugovich (assuming he's 2022 F2 champion) than de Vries.

I know de Vries is connected to Mercedes and his name keeps coming up as potential F1 material, but he's probably a bit too old to debut on the F1 grid now. Yeah, I know 27 isn't that old... but we're in an era where most rookies get their first real F1 drive (i.e. not a test driver or reserve) in their early 20s.

de Vries being a two-time FE champion is more of a curse than blessing as well.
Ultimately the problem boils down to there not being enough seats. Stefano Domenicali was on earlier during FP3, and I guess we now know who's opposed the hardest to new teams on the grid.

You know, the whole "too many teams" argument could be dealt with if we just brought back pre-qualifying. We could have 15 teams of 30 cars, and make it so only the top 25 are allowed to enter the race and proceed to qualifying. Literally just turn FP3 into PQ, keep the session length to an hour, and the best 25 drivers make it through. Simple.
 
Holy shit Formula 1 has become way too gay for me. I only pay attention to hill climbs now.
Hill climbs may eschew the metrosexual embodiment of homoeroticism that has become pervasive within F1, however it is wrong to say that the competitive business of getting a vehicle up a really steep slope is not also outrageously gay. The gay energy simply manifests differently, epitomising the neatly-trimmed handlebar moustache / leather waistcoat and Stetson combo that one might encounter in a basement fetish club.

What would be this weekend's malady for the Prancing Horse? My pick, against all odds, they manage to fit inters on Lec for a dry race.

It's looking like this weekend may present Ferrari with another golden opportunity to throw away a victory. If any team can do it they can! My guess is that they somehow put a set of Sainz's badly degraded used tires onto Leclerc's car. Or Sainz claims to be faster than Leclerc, despite running several positions behind his teammate, and Binotto gets sentimental and instructs the drivers to change positions immediately. Or Leclerc is called into the pits while leading the final lap, because it's his turn to look after the Ferrari cat, but when he gets out of the car it transpires that there has been a mix-up on the roster, and he doesn't have to babysit the cat until Wednesday afternoon.

In FP1, Lewis was channeling Mazepin, driving slowly and blocking other drivers completely oblivious to his surroundings. If this race goes like last race, shit's gonna be hilarious.

Hamilton's bid to become the black Joe Biden continues apace.
 
I hate to keep slagging him off as it makes me sound obsessed, but I really don't see what pundits and redditors alike see in the dude. He scored a point in his first race, big wow since the Alfa was easily the 4th-best car for the first 5 or so rounds of the season, just slightly slower than the Mercs. Then he didn't score a single point until Canada, which he got thanks to Alonso's penalty over his own merit. I'd feel for those who think he's had "bad luck" if he had at least 6 - 7 retirements this season, but the fact of the matter is he hasn't. He's just underperformed, even in the races he DNF'd from.

People like to forget that Tsunoda also scored points in his first F1 race and comparatively speaking did much better at this point last year than Zhou has, in roughly equivalent machinery. Doesn't stop people from demanding Tsunoda be beheaded and [insert favorite F2/FE driver here] have that AT seat. I guess the only reason is that Tsunoda doesn't bring along the entire propaganda apparatus of chinese consumerism.
 
god i try to defend flares, horns and fireworks from soyboys cause i think it builds an awesome atmosphere, but goddamn the Dutch are determined to make everyone hate them.

also lol pigeons
 
Mick on 8th, Verstappen on a really tight 1st... this is gonna be good.
Perez narrowly avoided a crash, so even if he blew his lap, at least he didn't cause any damage that'll fuck up his race tomorrow.
 
god i try to defend flares, horns and fireworks from soyboys cause i think it builds an awesome atmosphere, but goddamn the Dutch are determined to make everyone hate them.

also lol pigeons
I remember last weekend, can't remember which session but I heard a singular air horn in the crowd.

And it just immediately brought me back to my childhood when even the mighty V10s couldn't drown that glorious sound out.
 
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