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Lewis doesn't like to drive:
Lewis Hamilton is behind the wheel and I am his passenger. This experience is not entirely as you might expect. First, there’s the car we are in. He knows that people expect him to have some kind of cool sports car, and he did have cars like that when he was younger. But these days his vehicle of choice for trips like this is a tiny electric Smart car, made by his team’s parent company, Mercedes. Second, on open roads, Hamilton is an achingly sensible and careful driver, never speeding and frequently pulling over to let impatient drivers pass. Third, as he explains, he actually doesn’t like driving. Not this kind, the kind the rest of us do, with traffic in two directions, and pedestrians, and junctions, and nothing clear-cut to prove. In fact, he rarely does it. “I just think that I find it stressful,” he says. “I try not to do things that don’t add to my life.” And then he adds—a statement said with sincerity—“Look, we’re on these roads, anything can happen.”
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I guess I now know why in Kym Ilman's "What did each driver drive to the track today?" videos Lewis is always chauffeured while the other drivers mostly drive themselves.
 
Densetsu said:
While I usually love Indycar since it makes for a nice afternoon of watching after waking up at an ungodly hour for F1, you could really tell the difference in skill level and driving quality this weekend. Absolute crashfest to the point where even elbows-out enjoyers seemed shocked by it. Watching Newgarden absolutely dump Grosjean into the wall and receive no penalties for it was shocking. Sucks for Grosjean too, he was having a great race.
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Here's a perfect illustration to why Indycar has these kinds of problems.

Drivers:
Scott Dixon: 6 time Champ
RoGro: Multiple time podium finisher in F1
Herta/Rossi/Ericsson etc: all race winners, talented etc

Bottom half of the field in Indycar: barely any race wins, long race experience, fucking Tatiana Calderon and Jimmie Johnson running 3 laps down.

The talent gap from Best and worst drivers in Indycar is far, far larger than in F1. Mazepin was bad but he didn't interfere with the leaders ever single weekend like Jimmie Johnson does.

And Indy having no blue flags means after the first lapping guys can still defend for position while being lapped twice or even 3 times. That's why you get situations like last year where Johnson was being a rolling chicane for his teammate 3 laps down and Grosjean just speared him off the road because he was sick of it.
 
Bill Elliot said:
Here's a perfect illustration to why Indycar has these kinds of problems.

Drivers:
Scott Dixon: 6 time Champ
RoGro: Multiple time podium finisher in F1
Herta/Rossi/Ericsson etc: all race winners, talented etc

Bottom half of the field in Indycar: barely any race wins, long race experience, fucking Tatiana Calderon and Jimmie Johnson running 3 laps down.

The talent gap from Best and worst drivers in Indycar is far, far larger than in F1. Mazepin was bad but he didn't interfere with the leaders ever single weekend like Jimmie Johnson does.

And Indy having no blue flags means after the first lapping guys can still defend for position while being lapped twice or even 3 times. That's why you get situations like last year where Johnson was being a rolling chicane for his teammate 3 laps down and Grosjean just speared him off the road because he was sick of it.
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I think a lot of it is because American racing is one where a lot more physicality is expected. Rubbin' is racin' and all that. That's how you get Grosjean dooring Daly out of the way at Birmingham and then wrecking his own teammates at Mid-Ohio. I have been noticing Indy drivers being really stupidly aggressive, almost Nascar level, lately though and I'm not sure why that is. The wreck at Nashville was 100% on Newgarden- absolutely no excuse for fencing Romain there, he didn't have the corner.

Another part of the talent gap is, again, the feeder system and lack of team parity. You've got guys out there who are former F1 or F2 in Penske/Ganassi cars and then the other half of the field is pay drivers in shitboxes.

To be fair to Jimmie he did have a good run at Iowa. Not sure if that's blind squirrel finding the nut tier because on road courses he's wrecking for 26th place.
 
A.P. Hill said:
I think a lot of it is because American racing is one where a lot more physicality is expected. Rubbin' is racin' and all that. That's how you get Grosjean dooring Daly out of the way at Birmingham and then wrecking his own teammates at Mid-Ohio.
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That's just how Grosjean used to drive during his early days in F1. He's simply reverting to type:
 
I saw this and now you have to share my pain.

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Why yes something king baby has done once is so seriously iconic and not done to larp, yet the iconic Schumi Jump is just cheering and awesome. Fuck you.

As others have said the FIA has gone soft, when Schumacher said he couldn't attend the Gala due to the cost, Max said you will or the fine will make that number look small (paraphrased) and the silly 5/10 sec penalties which unless it's a close race or a safety car pops up at the end does nothing, bring back drive throughs and stop gos.

Anyway to end on a high note Kimi is prepareing for his Nascar outing at Watkins Glenn on the 21st of August at 3pm Eastern. Anyone know if he's got a good car?
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More pressing to me is how did Lewis only win 9 of the first 13 in 2020 when his car was on another planet?

RE the Vanity Fair article, Lewis has a bigger profile than any other driver in F1, but that’s primarily because he is the Successful Black Man in the field. He’s in for a rude awakening once he retires and the media stops caring about him because he’s no longer the Black Man Shaking Up The Privileged White World.
 
LetterlandMafia said:
More pressing to me is how did Lewis only win 9 of the first 13 in 2020 when his car was on another planet?

RE the Vanity Fair article, Lewis has a bigger profile than any other driver in F1, but that’s primarily because he is the Successful Black Man in the field. He’s in for a rude awakening once he retires and the media stops caring about him because he’s no longer the Black Man Shaking Up The Privileged White World.
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The main excuse I've seen so far is Merc "allowed" the two drivers to race each other (which is fucking hilarious given all the times Bottas got James'd). Just like how a string of bad luck and several rounds of ratfucking (I'll admit, Lewis drove great at Hungary but that only happened once he made the call to switch to softs) has allowed CultLH to excuse Hamilton's abhorrent first rounds of the season as "testing" the W13.

In Hamilton's 2020 car, Verstappen, Vettel or Alonso would have wiped the points board clean. I will stand by this until advanced AI comes along and proves it for me. Somehow, Mercedes managed to go all the way from 2014 - 2021 with two mediocre drivers and yet still dominated. And yes, this includes Nico. Rosberg was never anything special; he was like the Sainz of his era in the sense he could squeeze points out of shitheaps, but once given front-runner equipment, was basically hopeless. His only saving grace was that Hamilton had become a prima donna with no-one in a remotely fast car to compete against him for the first half of the '10s. Of course, because of how Nico's career turned out, we have to suffer hearing about how he "beat" two 7 time world champions at his team (even though in 2012 Schumacher would often be ahead during the first few laps only to DNF to '''mechanical failure''' later on).

There's three things I want to happen in F1 over the next 18 months;
  • Verstappen wins a 2nd WDC, smashes Hamilton's per-season win record of 11, and either joins Vettel/MSC's record of 13, or beats it
  • Hamilton doesn't win a single race, breaking his streak for good
  • 2023's WDC can go to anyone, I just want to see Max and Lewis in equal machinery with the former trouncing the latter
 
LetterlandMafia said:
RE the Vanity Fair article, Lewis has a bigger profile than any other driver in F1, but that’s primarily because he is the Successful Black Man in the field. He’s in for a rude awakening once he retires and the media stops caring about him because he’s no longer the Black Man Shaking Up The Privileged White World.
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The waning interest of media will be overcome with ever growing examples of "Someone sneezed in my general direction, so I was a victim of a racially motivated biological terrorist attack!"-hottakes and virtue signalling. A lot of "Current F1 teams should do x" or "The sport will not overcome its racism problem unless they do y" hottakes too.

You won't believe how much this poor multimillionnaire VIP will suffer under the yoke of white middle class randos and their white privilege making them have many more rights than Hamilton could ever dream of, that precious poor downtrodden POC in his giant mansion with his many luxurious cars.
 
RomanesEuntDomus said:
The waning interest of media will be overcome with ever growing examples of "Someone sneezed in my general direction, so I was a victim of a racially motivated biological terrorist attack!"-hottakes and virtue signalling. A lot of "Current F1 teams should do x" or "The sport will not overcome its racism problem unless they do y" hottakes too.

You won't believe how much this poor multimillionnaire VIP will suffer under the yoke of white middle class randos and their white privilege making them have many more rights than Hamilton could ever dream of, that precious poor downtrodden POC in his giant mansion with his many luxurious cars.
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As viewership in every demographic declines, the suits behind things such as F1 will attempt to go even harder on "inclusitivity of X" propaganda, failing to attract X and driving away nearly all of their fans who are not X until the only reason they're still profitable is Blackrock ESG pyramid scheme money which they will ride out until the whole operation collapses. It happened to newspapers, it happened to video games, it sure as hell can happen to cars going fast on the track.
 
A.P. Hill said:
As viewership in every demographic declines, the suits behind things such as F1 will attempt to go even harder on "inclusitivity of X" propaganda, failing to attract X and driving away nearly all of their fans who are not X until the only reason they're still profitable is Blackrock ESG pyramid scheme money which they will ride out until the whole operation collapses. It happened to newspapers, it happened to video games, it sure as hell can happen to cars going fast on the track.
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It's still fucking hilarious that they're pushing this shit even as Albon, Perez, and Tsunoda are on the grid at this very moment. F1 has never been more popular in Mexico than it has been since Perez started outperforming that already OP Tracing Point and even more so since his move to Red Bull. In the past decade alone there's been Haryanto, Nasr, Gutierrez, Kobayashi, and Chandhok. They all mysteriously disappeared and were never put in the most OP rocketship car for almost a decade like Lulu has.

It's not about "inclusivity of X" or else you'd see them play up all these non-whites or even the sheer diversity of driver nationalities on the grid. It's always been about Hamilton and his mulatto agenda where he's too white for blacks and too black for whites and destroying the sport in an effort to sort his personal legacy out.
 
New Fag said:
I saw this and now you have to share my pain.

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Why yes something king baby has done once is so seriously iconic and not done to larp, yet the iconic Schumi Jump is just cheering and awesome. Fuck you.

As others have said the FIA has gone soft, when Schumacher said he couldn't attend the Gala due to the cost, Max said you will or the fine will make that number look small (paraphrased) and the silly 5/10 sec penalties which unless it's a close race or a safety car pops up at the end does nothing, bring back drive throughs and stop gos.

Anyway to end on a high note Kimi is prepareing for his Nascar outing at Watkins Glenn on the 21st of August at 3pm Eastern. Anyone know if he's got a good car?
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"Nextgen" Cup is really a spec series, more than NASCAR has ever been. That's why the teams are soooo even this year and there's so many winners. And the team he's with have been the rising stars of this year. He'll have a good one. Also - the new car is way better on road courses than anything before.

Speaking of which, I was at Indy the other weekend and they had fucking Kvyat in a Cup car. Listening to the announcers try to pronounce his name was amazing.
 
Pee Cola said:
I miss the days when Michael Schumacher would drive himself to the track in a Fiat Seicento.
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Not every driver drives expensive cars. Max always drives a Honda Civic Type R and Alonso tends to drive a Renault Espace minivan. Max could drive an NSX and Alonso could drive a Alpine A110 without upsetting sponsors, but they choose more reasonably-priced cars.

Lewis, meanwhile, is driven in a different Maybach or EQ-series luxury SUV every weekend.
 
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quaawaa said:
Not every driver drives expensive cars. Max always drives a Honda Civic Type R and Alonso tends to drive a Renault Espace minivan. Max could drive an NSX and Alonso could drive a Alpine A110 without upsetting sponsors, but they choose more reasonably-priced cars.

Lewis, meanwhile, is driven in a different Maybach or EQ-series luxury SUV every weekend.
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I'm fairly sure Alonso took a Ferrari to the track a few races back. He's at the point where he doesn't have to give a shit about team rules.
 
Becky McDonald said:
The main excuse I've seen so far is Merc "allowed" the two drivers to race each other (which is fucking hilarious given all the times Bottas got James'd). Just like how a string of bad luck and several rounds of ratfucking (I'll admit, Lewis drove great at Hungary but that only happened once he made the call to switch to softs) has allowed CultLH to excuse Hamilton's abhorrent first rounds of the season as "testing" the W13.

In Hamilton's 2020 car, Verstappen, Vettel or Alonso would have wiped the points board clean. I will stand by this until advanced AI comes along and proves it for me. Somehow, Mercedes managed to go all the way from 2014 - 2021 with two mediocre drivers and yet still dominated. And yes, this includes Nico. Rosberg was never anything special; he was like the Sainz of his era in the sense he could squeeze points out of shitheaps, but once given front-runner equipment, was basically hopeless. His only saving grace was that Hamilton had become a prima donna with no-one in a remotely fast car to compete against him for the first half of the '10s. Of course, because of how Nico's career turned out, we have to suffer hearing about how he "beat" two 7 time world champions at his team (even though in 2012 Schumacher would often be ahead during the first few laps only to DNF to '''mechanical failure''' later on).

There's three things I want to happen in F1 over the next 18 months;
  • Verstappen wins a 2nd WDC, smashes Hamilton's per-season win record of 11, and either joins Vettel/MSC's record of 13, or beats it
  • Hamilton doesn't win a single race, breaking his streak for good
  • 2023's WDC can go to anyone, I just want to see Max and Lewis in equal machinery with the former trouncing the latter
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I find Hamilton insufferable, but there is no way he could seriously be described as a "mediocre driver".

I don't think Hamilton is in the Top 5 drivers of all time, but it is arguable that he could be in the Top 10.

Max and Hamilton will never be able to race in equal machinery, as Lewis is getting too old and is past his best, whilst Max is either in his prime or not far away from it.

Right now, Max would destroy Hamilton in equal machinery.
 
Mikoyan said:
"Nextgen" Cup is really a spec series, more than NASCAR has ever been. That's why the teams are soooo even this year and there's so many winners. And the team he's with have been the rising stars of this year. He'll have a good one. Also - the new car is way better on road courses than anything before.

Speaking of which, I was at Indy the other weekend and they had fucking Kvyat in a Cup car. Listening to the announcers try to pronounce his name was amazing.
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I wish they hadn't made such a big deal out of "the first European Nascar team" when they were shitboxes that ended up 25 laps down.

Trackhouse has been on a tear recently but trying to get foreigners into the sport when you can barely keep domestic fans seems a bit counter-productive.

Road courses have been pretty strung-out and boring this year. The new car can't really pass on them and you get a conga line for all but the last 2 laps and then a caution comes out and the entire field stacks up on the restart and wrecks.
scallion said:
It's never diverse enough until every driver is a nigger.
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Or because Mexicans, Japanese, Chinese, Indians, Arabs etc. are majorities in their countries that do not form their ethnic identity around being oppressed and therefore have no time for the woke.
 
A.P. Hill said:
The wreck at Nashville was 100% on Newgarden- absolutely no excuse for fencing Romain there, he didn't have the corner.

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Best way I heard it described on the Race Indycar podcast: Newgarden had to have known he would need the entire corner to complete that move and I guess just expected Grosjean to stand on the brakes.

Edit: It fills me with joy to know that Max will beat Lewis this year in the most wins in a season metric. I feel like Max has really come into his own.
 
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