Formula 1 Discussion - And favourite driver?
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Ronnie Leibowitz
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How do we know the car is bad? The only people driving it are Stroll (consensus pick for one of the worst drivers in the sport) and Vettel who is old and has been destroyed every time he faced a good teammate. Vettel's gap to Stroll is smaller than Perez's and we see how he's doing against Verstappen.
I would argue second best. Alonso absolutely destroyed Raikkonen and Massa in the same car and they were able to be competitive with him in 2007.
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So you're not only saying that Kimi is a bad driver, but also disregard that Vettel had most overtakes last season? Go watch the supercut of them and tell me those (bar one) weren't absolutely marvelous examples of good driving. Same this season in Monaco, did you even see how Vettel got past Zhou?
I seriously do not get the kind of criticism Vettel gets, when he's the only driver that ever came close to threaten Hamilton before 2021. It's the same with people bitching about the 2018 spin in Germany. It was a bad day for Vettel cause he lost out on a race win in front of his home crowd, but by the end of the season, the difference in points meant that the race itself was entirely irrelevant. In the last 10 races, he still reached podium 6 times, yet Hamilton won most races cause the Merc simply was unbeatable in that entire decade.
And then we have these small nagging aspects like Vettel having a couple of records under his belt to this day.
He's not "the best ever", but people bitching about him not being good usually just talk out of their ass or they are completely braindead tifosi, that rank beneath the gunk between my toes in terms of value.
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Was watching the race with people, but overall this was pretty entertaining. For a sprint, at least. It's strange to compare something that went so relatively smoothly on the track to the utter shitshow that seems to be happening with the FIA's most retarded moves yet.
A lot of shills complained about Mick finally going in for, quite frankly, an amazing fight for himself against a far more experienced driver, and he has been a highlight by far lately, now that he's got a bit of confidence. But still, the absolute state of LHcult for saying "Mick only held up because he had DRS", conveniently forgetting that Loois had it the whole time as well, and he only managed to overtake once KMag cleared the second barrier. Ah well, at least our former-Rookie can take some cues from the Champion he raced last week and teach the 37 year old how to drive hard and clean.
Otherwise... Not really much of note. At least to me. Absolutely nothing going on in front other than another Ferrari Masterclass in strategy allowing Max to run away with a win he otherwise was almost guaranteed to get.
Off-track though? FIA doubling down on its fuckery with Perez? Trying to chastise seven racers because no-one knew what the hell was going on during that Extra Formation Lap fuckery? It's completely ridiculous. It feels like the rotating set of directors and general encouragement to be stricter has just lead to some of the most boneheaded decisions yet. Worse yet is the Vettel fine when, by all accounts, I wouldn't blame him if he personally just screamed at the stewards to fuck off.
A lot of shills complained about Mick finally going in for, quite frankly, an amazing fight for himself against a far more experienced driver, and he has been a highlight by far lately, now that he's got a bit of confidence. But still, the absolute state of LHcult for saying "Mick only held up because he had DRS", conveniently forgetting that Loois had it the whole time as well, and he only managed to overtake once KMag cleared the second barrier. Ah well, at least our former-Rookie can take some cues from the Champion he raced last week and teach the 37 year old how to drive hard and clean.
Otherwise... Not really much of note. At least to me. Absolutely nothing going on in front other than another Ferrari Masterclass in strategy allowing Max to run away with a win he otherwise was almost guaranteed to get.
Off-track though? FIA doubling down on its fuckery with Perez? Trying to chastise seven racers because no-one knew what the hell was going on during that Extra Formation Lap fuckery? It's completely ridiculous. It feels like the rotating set of directors and general encouragement to be stricter has just lead to some of the most boneheaded decisions yet. Worse yet is the Vettel fine when, by all accounts, I wouldn't blame him if he personally just screamed at the stewards to fuck off.
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I'd honestly reluctantly agree here. The Kimi of 2002 - 2006 just disappeared when he moved to Ferrari, and he bumbled into his sole WDC when he wasn't really fighting for it. Come 2008, when the Ferrari was clearly the best car on the grid, he got trounced by Massa. When he came back for Lotus, that rookie pace was back, and then it disappeared again the second he returned to Ferrari.
Most of Kimi's races from 2014 onwards can be summed up thusly:
- Qualify really well
- Get a slow - decent start off the line
- Outbreak yourself into turn 1 and flat spot the tyres
- Get passed by 2, 3, 4 of your rivals and spend the rest of the race catching up
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JustStopDude
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The hate that Mazepin got was over the top in my opinion. Haas was putting no effort whatsoever in development for that years car. Everything was for this year. It was the slowest car on the grid.
Mazepin got shit because his last name wasn't Schumacher and because he paid for his seat, as if that literally isn't the standard now.
The simple truth is that he wrecked fewer cars than Mercedes that year. He sucked? Yes. In a perfect world he should never be allowed a seat? Yes. But acting like he was the worst driver in the history of F1 is overlooking a large number of terrible drivers.
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He wasn't the worst ever, but he didn't do much to endear himself to anyone. Doesn't help that he got into a scandal before even driving for F1 with that hooker-titty-grab.
I mean, I certainly don't care about any supposed sexism, she's a hooker, if anything, he was accessing the goods he had paid for, but the fact that this chav fucker was entering F1 wasn't getting me thrilled to cheer for him. And then he sucked ass, too.
He was outperformed by his teammate in 16 out of 22 races while not finishing 6 of them. That also means he was dead last or out of the race 16 times, while only managing to finish in front of another team's driver 3 times (not counting DNFs of course). Meanwhile, Mick managed to finish ahead of another team's driver 8 times (again, not counting other drivers that DNF'd).
Mazepin's first race was shorter than Bottas pitstop.
He was an unlikeable cunt, who did not perform well, who only got a seat thanks to his daddy buying him a team.
The Haas was garbage, but even knowing that, Mazepin was bad.
Latifi in the Williams had a better first season than Mazepin. Stroll even managed to get a podium in his rookie season (albeit in a much more competetive car).
Also, say what you want about Stroll, he does sometimes surprise me with a legit decent overtake or performance . . . usually he then fucks up big time, but still, I've never looked at something Mazepin did and went 'yeah, that was pretty well done'. Not even once.
And I have to admit, after seeing footage of Stroll's big crash in Monza in F3 in the 2015 season, I think that guy legit earned his spurs to race F1. After all, it was a pretty severe crash and still he stuck around and moved up to F2 and then F1.
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Pretty much exactly what I was thinking of.
Alonso completely domineered Kimi in 2014, absolutely drove the wheels off that thing to plant it on the podium twice. He beat Kimi 11 times in a row through the first 11 rounds of the season, and of the 3 times Kimi beat Alonso, two of those were retirements. Kimi only beat Alonso on pure race pace once, at the 2014 Belgian Grand Prix, and that was only because he had car troubles on the grid and couldn't get going. The fact he managed to race back up to 7th is a testament to his skill.
Other than the obvious nostalgia act, I can't understand why Kimi wasn't let go long before 2018. He was not getting the most out of his Ferrari at all, not even close. Had Alonso stayed and remained as Vettel's team mate in 2017/18, the latter would probably have been a double champion.
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You would expect Latifi to have a better rookie season. Williams wasn't refusing to work on the car or was as broke as Haas. Haas was coming off of the Rich Energy fiasco. They were lucky not to collapse.
Latifi sure as shit hasn't earned a spot. He is a more likeable rolling roadblock than Mazepin for sure, but it's insane he has a seat. There are way more talented F2 drivers who will never get a chance because their parents are only really rich, not retarded rich.
The only difference between Latifi and Mazepin is that it's more tolerable to F1 for a corrupt rich Iranian-Canadian-Scilian strong man to buy their kid a seat than a corrupt rich Russian.
The only reason Mazepin lost his seat was due to politics. It has nothing to do with performance/safety/racing. At the end of the day, FIA cares about cash.
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Precisely. I was actually interested in seeing what he could do with a non-backmarker this year, then the conflict happened. It's unlikely he'll ever get the chance to redeem himself, and will probably have to settle for a career in touring cars given that his name is absolute poison to most top-level racing team owners.
If you want to see a truly AWFUL F1 driver, look up some of the rejects that managed to get on to the 1995 grid for instance. Inoue, Lavaggi, Delétraz, Schiattarella, and Montermini to name a few. Even in the '00s, there are drivers Mazepin would have lapped in equal machinery, like Alex Yoong, Yuji Ide, and Narain Karthikeyan.
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The 2020 Williams was a shitbox. Latifi somehow got a few points despite that and only had 3 DNFs. Three. Also, Latifi finished last merely 3 times, while being somewhere in the lower midfield the rest of the times. The 2021 Haas was a shitbox, still Mick somehow managed to keep up with the backmarkers throughout a huge chunk of the season and finished ahead of a driver from another team 8 times, while Mazepin finished dead fucking last 10 times and didn't even finish 6 more races.
No one said he did.
No one said anything else.
Yuji Ide fucked up so terribly, FIA revoked his super license mid season. Dude even now admits that he wasn't up to snuff. And I think he's far from the worst driver in F1 history, I bet there's some even badder ones somewhere deep down in F1 history, like in the 60s, when things were a lot wilder in terms of who was allowed to race.
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Google "Al Pease" sometime.
You will not fucking regret it.
Also shoutout to Hans Heyer - the only driver to DNQ, DNS, DNF and be DSQ'd from the SAME RACE.
It only makes sense when you read what crazy bullshit happened in the race that allowed him to "start" and then race a good chunk of the event before anyone actually noticed.
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The problem with this track is all corners squeeze and the Stewards are determined to be retarded about a driver squeezing another one. So basically just go up the outside of the other car, they can't run wide so you pin them to the apex. If they do run wide you just go off the track (with zero penalty because its tarmac) and they get a penalty essentially letting you through.
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I'm pretty sure AMX may have it on this one, honestly. But I'm going to hope Ferrari can put up a good enough defence against Perez. And, knowing my luck, LewLew. Hoping to see a good showing from Haas though, even in some of their shitter cars of years past, they've not been entirely terrible here.
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What was the bad behaviour in the crowd the commentators mentioned, anyone know?
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man i bet the FIA loves all those flairs
euros arnt all theyre cracked up to be
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I think it's still Sky getting upset at the RB fans booing/cheering at Merc drivers, particularly when Lewis and George crashed. As if that's not something that's massively overblown because that's just what fans do at sporting events anyway.
Ah, acme beat me to it. That's pretty awful either way, but I've heard way less from the commentary about that than the booing, despite that seemingly being way more of an actual problem.
The smoke grenades are really annoying though, I'll give them that, but Crofty doesn't seem to particularly care for any issues that don't specifically impact Merc drivers.