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New Fag said:
Here's a weird one, Vettel being summoned over his behaviour at the driver's meeting.

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Here's the regulations in Question:
12.2.1
Any of the following offences, in addition to any offences specifically referred to previously or subsequently, shall be deemed to be a breach of these rules:
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12.2.1.f
Any words, deeds or writings that have caused moral injury or loss to the FIA, its bodies, its members or its executive officers, and more generally on the interest of motor sport and on the values defended by the FIA.
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20.1
At each Event where a sprint session is scheduled, Meetings, chaired by the Race Director, will take place three (3) hours before the start of P1, one (1) hour after the end of P1 and one and a half (1.5) hours after the end of the qualifying practice session. The first must be attended by all team managers and the second and third by all drivers and team managers.
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So... did he say FIA is a bunch of Doodoo heads and just didn't show up at a meeting? But that doesn't make sense, 20.1 concerns meetings that should have happened yesterday after Qualifying, not today after the Sprint race.
 
Balr0g said:
Not sure if anyone noticed but we have several drivers who have to meet with the Stewards in regards to "starting procedure infringements". Those are Russell, Ocon, Perez, Schumacher, Ricciardo, Stroll and Vettel. All have allegedly getting radio help when said radio help was not allowed
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Presumably in relation to what the fuck was going on with the 2nd formation lap.

Becky McDonald said:
All DRS does is significantly cheapen the act of overtaking, and as we've seen since 2011, all it does is make it so slower cars can't hold back faster ones to the end of the race anymore.
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That's the point though. They got all butt hurt over midfield Russian costing chosen ferrari driver the championship at a shit track. So legislated to ensure it would never happen again.
 
New Fag said:
Here's a weird one, Vettel being summoned over his behaviour at the driver's meeting.

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Suspended fine of €25,000 for leaving early and "expressing frustration", whatever that means.
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New Fag said:
Here's a weird one, Vettel being summoned over his behaviour at the driver's meeting.

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Vettel given a suspended €25,000 fine for storming out of drivers' meeting · RaceFans
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Sebastian Vettel has been given a suspended €25,000 fine for leaving yesterday’s drivers’ meeting without permission.

The Aston Martin driver left the meeting before he was allowed to after “expressing frustration”, said the stewards.

Vettel is understood to have been unhappy at the standard of officiating during the event. The meeting took place after the Friday evening qualifying session, when Vettel had his final Q1 lap time deleted for a track limits violation, demoting him to the back of the grid.

The stewards explained Vettel had “left the drivers’ meeting that was held at 19:30 on Friday 8th July, without permission, and [expressed] frustration at the meeting.

“Drivers are not free to leave when they want,” the stewards continued, “this being a breach of the requirement to attend. Drivers at this level are role models for every driver around the world and, in the opinion of the stewards, Vettel failed to live up to that standard in this case.”

However, Vettel has since met with race director Niels Wittich to discuss his concerns. Wittich later advised the stewards that “Vettel apologised without reservation and that further, they had a very constructive conversation covering the topics in the meeting and more.”

His fine will therefore not need to be paid unless he commits a similar rules breach before the end of the season.

“The stewards determine that there is a breach, which cannot go without penalty, but that based on the report from the race director there are factors in mitigation.

“Therefore, the stewards order a fine of €25,000, which is suspended for the remainder of the 2022 season, subject to any breach of Article 20.1 of the FIA Formula 1 Sporting Regulations or of Article 12.2.1 f) of the International Sporting Code.”

In 2016 Vettel apologised to the FIA after launching a profane tirade at former race director Charlie Whiting at the end of the Mexican Grand Prix.
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RomanesEuntDomus said:
So... did he say FIA is a bunch of Doodoo heads and just didn't show up at a meeting? But that doesn't make sense, 20.1 concerns meetings that should have happened yesterday after Qualifying, not today after the Sprint race.
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Sounds more like last night he called them all doodoo heads and walked out
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It seems to be a case of stewarding inconsistencies starting to piss off drivers.
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Balr0g said:
Not sure if anyone noticed but we have several drivers who have to meet with the Stewards in regards to "starting procedure infringements". Those are Russell, Ocon, Perez, Schumacher, Ricciardo, Stroll and Vettel. All have allegedly getting radio help when said radio help was not allowed
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It's OK no one cheated, or they all cheated and FIA has no balls.
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New Fag said:
Sounds more like last night he called them all doodoo heads and walked out
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It seems to be a case of stewarding inconsistencies starting to piss off drivers.
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It's OK no one cheated, or they all cheated and FIA has no balls.
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It's actually kind of funny that A Merc driver of all people now says that they need to go back to the one-race-director MO from last year again.
 
blablabla said:
sprint races are a fucking waste of time. just ditch qualy and race on saturday if you want to but both things suck
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I like sprint races, they spice things up a little. But I would not want it to be a general thing, I like it as a one-off event sprinkled across the season here and there.
 
If I was vettel I'd be just checked out by now. He was brought to AM to help guide them into a new era. Lawrence has invested silly money and the have the most high tech fa Tory of any team and are about to commission the most powerful wind tunnel of any team.

Since Vettel came along Otmar has left because Lawrence is a dictator, they have delivered an absolute dog of a car and the mechanics can't stop fucking up the set up ("oh yeah we totally need higher pressure in the tyres" in Canada for example). I guarantee Vettel isn't getting anywhere near the say so or input into the building of the team around him or the development of the car because Lawrence wants to control everything.

He has long said he never wants to be there to just make up the numbers and wants to make an impact on a team and the sport, he isn't getting either. Plus his activism for various causes is largely ignored over Lewis' "I'm black so I should be able to do anything I want" nonsense.

So I understand his frustration with the world right now.
 
I assume the rest of you found it just as hilarious as I did that Perez put on a clinic passing the two Haas cars, followed by the 'all time greatest driver who ever lived and no one can ever question it' flailing around impotently, getting absolutely felted by a shaky sophomore in a slower car who has scored exactly 1 point in two seasons, until he finally managed to pass just one of the two Haas cars he was clearly much faster than. All this after he was on record saying he believes the Merc car is now 'ready to win' and he felt like he was 'going to be top 3 in quali'... if he only hadn't dumpstered himself on a turn that every other driver handled fine.

I hope that pompous shitstain puts himself into a barrier tomorrow with no one around him. His pig-roach luck has to expire at some point, right? Right? (:_(
 
Coccxys said:
If I was vettel I'd be just checked out by now. He was brought to AM to help guide them into a new era. Lawrence has invested silly money and the have the most high tech fa Tory of any team and are about to commission the most powerful wind tunnel of any team.

Since Vettel came along Otmar has left because Lawrence is a dictator, they have delivered an absolute dog of a car and the mechanics can't stop fucking up the set up ("oh yeah we totally need higher pressure in the tyres" in Canada for example). I guarantee Vettel isn't getting anywhere near the say so or input into the building of the team around him or the development of the car because Lawrence wants to control everything.

He has long said he never wants to be there to just make up the numbers and wants to make an impact on a team and the sport, he isn't getting either. Plus his activism for various causes is largely ignored over Lewis' "I'm black so I should be able to do anything I want" nonsense.

So I understand his frustration with the world right now.
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Vettel could and should have retired on a semi-high note in 2019. That or just stayed with Ferrari until his retirement.
Wargarbl said:
I assume the rest of you found it just as hilarious as I did that Perez put on a clinic passing the two Haas cars, followed by the 'all time greatest driver who ever lived and no one can ever question it' flailing around impotently, getting absolutely felted by a rookie in a slower car who has scored exactly 1 point in two seasons, until he finally managed to pass just one of the two Haas cars he was clearly much faster than. All this after he was on record saying he believes the Merc car is now 'ready to win' and he felt like he was 'ready to be top 3 in quali'... if he only hadn't dumpstered himself on a turn that every other driver handled fine.

I hope that pompous shitstain puts himself into a barrier tomorrow with no one around him. His pig-roach luck has to expire at some point, right? Right? (:_(
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The excuse CultLH has rolled out this time is that it was a sprint race and Hamilton didn't want to jeopardise tomorrow's race.
 
quaawaa said:
Using DRS after the guy he was chasing lost DRS. Is Hamilton capable of passing someone without DRS?
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Unlikely.
What infuriates me the most is his fans bitching about "bad luck" this year, when he has had the absolute cream of the crop in terms of luck throughout the rest of his career.

He only had four seasons in the pre-DRS era. 2007 he was in the best car, and 2008 he was in the second-best. 2009 he lucked out on a victory.
During the "dream team" era, Button beat him on points.
He got Toto Wolff to kick Ross Brawn and Schumi so he could have a Merc seat just in time for an engine they had been developing since 2007 to destroy the rest of the competition with.
He was partnered with Nico Rosberg, who was an upper-midfield driver at best (and had his own fair share of luck in 2012; the ludicrous amount of bad luck Schumi had that season meant Nico ran away in terms of points)
He basically pressured Nico into leaving the sport, and got an uncompetitive team-mate in the form of Bottas for 5 seasons.
Vettel's smash with Kimi at Singapore 2017 practically gifted the title to Hamilton.
Vettel's spin at Germany 2018 sealed his fate for the second season in a row.
And finally, in 2021 he made up a significant points deficit to Max not once but TWICE.

He has statpadded and carbabied to the max throughout his entire career. On any other career trajectory, he'd have retired with ~25 wins to his name and 1 championship. Had Alonso been looked upon just a bit better by Lady Luck (and had a better car/team), he'd have been in the title picture every season from 2008 - 2014 his pace was that consistently good.
 
Becky McDonald said:
And finally, in 2021 he made up a significant points deficit to Max not once but TWICE.
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One of which was through taking Max out and then getting a slap on the wrist penalty so winning.

I would also like the FIA to rip the engine in that merc from Brazil onwards apart. No way they suddenly found that much pace, especially since he was just driving right around other Mercedes powered cars even without DRS.

Plus bullshit decisions like Italy where they threw away the rules about leaving a car alongside room to oh you should yield to the other car so they don't squeeze you.
 
Coccxys said:
One of which was through taking Max out and then getting a slap on the wrist penalty so winning.

I would also like the FIA to rip the engine in that merc from Brazil onwards apart. No way they suddenly found that much pace, especially since he was just driving right around other Mercedes powered cars even without DRS.

Plus bullshit decisions like Italy where they threw away the rules about leaving a car alongside room to oh you should yield to the other car so they don't squeeze you.
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I remember, before the late-season American races, one of the commentators said the Merc would be at a disadvantage due to the altitude difference preventing the engines from sucking in as much air. However, by the time those rounds came along, this was blatantly not the case. The Merc was WAY faster than it had been all season. The same car that couldn't catch up to Lando Norris in a McLaren at Russia was now suddenly >half a second faster than it every single lap.

CultLH talks about FIA meddling; why don't they talk about the meddling they did at Brazil to allow Hamilton to race? The rear wing was deemed illegal; surely having an illegal part on your car would outright disqualify you from the rest of the weekend? But no. They allowed him to race because they knew he'd be out of the title picture otherwise. And then a back start penalty got nullified to starting from tenth thanks to the Sprint.

But the one thing that continues to sting me to this day is that fucking bullshit on lap 1 of Abu Dhabi which was completely overshadowed by the end. At Jeddah, Crofty beat it over our heads that if you were ahead of a competitor at a corner before the apex and could maintain the racing line, you "owned" that corner and the opponent has to yield. Come Abu Dhabi this is no longer the case. I'd love to know how many tenths Hamilton gained by straight up cutting the corner.

We'll actually be able to find out how much faster his car was if we can get some technical data on the engine and drive it in a simulation game, matching his lines/telemetry and seeing how many tenths they end up being off by.
 
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